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Concealed Permit Holder Stops Attempted Mass Shooting in Chicago

On Friday, an Uber driver with a concealed carry permit thwarted an attempted mass shooting by pulling his own weapon and shooting a gunman who had opened fire in Chicago’s Logan Square.

Illinois Assistant State’s Attorney Barry Quinn verified that the driver “had a concealed-carry permit and acted in the defense of himself and others.”

According to the Chicago Tribune, the driver was watching “a group of people” walk in front of his car on North Milwaukee Avenue just before midnight when 22-year-old Everardo Custodio allegedly “began firing into the crowd.” The Uber driver pulled his own gun and “fired six shots at Custodio,” wounding him in “the shin, thigh, and lower back.”

The attempted mass shooting ended with no one other Custodio injured.

The Chicago Sun Times reported that the Uber driver had dropped off a passenger minutes before Custodio allegedly began shooting. The Times contacted Uber about the incident and they simply said “the company requires all its drivers to abide by local, state and federal laws pertaining to transporting firearms in vehicles.”

Breitbart News previously reported on a March 22 incident in which a concealed carry permit holder entered a Philadelphia barbershop to stop an attempted mass shooting in progress.

In that inciden,t a 40-year-old man began randomly firing at patrons inside the barbershop and was stopped when the concealed carry permit holder heard gunfire, ran into the shop, and shot the would-be mass shooter in the chest, killing him. No one else was harmed.

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Are you sure this isn't from the Onion?

I only ask because we are constantly told that when armed citizens intervene in situations like these it becomes a wild west shootout and the citizen with good intentions is more likely to kill more bystanders than the shooter??? superconfused


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lol you think the media wants to talk about how a man with a gun saves lives? How people are safer when they are armed than being little lambs ripe for the slaughter? Good luck on that =)


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There's one.

Let's see if the incidents of lives saved by gun catch up with lives lost by gun.

Every life is sacred.

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Finally.

One or two out of how many stories of mass shootings


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There's one.

Let's see if the incidents of lives saved by gun catch up with lives lost by gun.

Every life is sacred.


So what's an effective plan to take guns away from everyone, including criminals?


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So what's an effective plan to take guns away from everyone, including criminals?
I didn't realize that was the plan.

Why is that the plan?

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Perhaps I jumped the gun given your history of posting.


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Not to be rude to anyone..but there are thousands of these kinds of stories. Media give them little to no play time.

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There's not. They are very few and far between.

A lot of these stories are somebody with a gun shooting the guy, but only after he injured a bunch of people.

Great, he stopped it, but a lot of the times, nobody prevented it.


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Originally Posted By: dawglover05
Perhaps I jumped the gun given your history of posting.
My history of posting says nothing about taking guns away from anyone. Maybe you have me confused with someone else.

I have stated I'd like similar regulations to owning a car or some other method of showing an attempt to come up with any strategy rather than the current one of needing more guns.

If that's a bad idea to you I'm sorry, it's the best I can come up with.

I'd be interested in any other strategy other than more guns though.

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Not to be rude to anyone..but there are thousands of these kinds of stories. Media give them little to no play time.
Id be interested in specific data to support this statement.

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wrong...here is an article for u and read the very last paragraph and tell me ur thoughts

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...soar-/?page=all

When I get the time I'll disprove your above statement.

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It's already been discussed on this board that the murder rate has been dropping en before president Obama got elected.

As a matter of fact, Erik, the hardcore right winger, was the one that brought that up.

Nice spin, but it doesn't work.


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http://controversialtimes.com/issues/con...guys-with-guns/

not spin..just asked ur opinion on the last paragraph...ok here is 12 examples..I have stats somewhere...I just dont have the time to dig where I stashed them.

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Why do I care if he wants he black community strapped?

We already strapped.

And dude, this article doesn't help you're argument at all.

12 times spread throughout how many years?

How many mass shootings have we already had THIS year?


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ok I'll stop here then..Not in the mood to argue today..have a good day.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
It's already been discussed on this board that the murder rate has been dropping en before president Obama got elected.

As a matter of fact, Erik, the hardcore right winger, was the one that brought that up.

Nice spin, but it doesn't work.


And oddly enough, gun ownership was going up at the same time. Strange that coincidence.


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Had nothing to argue in the first place. Enjoy your day.


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Actually, what's crazy is that a lot of those numbers came from people buying multiple weapons.

The number of gun owners is small compared to the population itself.

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The rate of mass shootings stopped by a gun owner are not reported, because if they are stopped it's not a mass shooting. Usually only one or two are dead, those being the original victim and the shooter. That's not news to the highly liberal media, which would rather report on 5-50 dead over a gun owner stopping a mass shooting.


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Actually, what's crazy is that a lot of those numbers came from people buying multiple weapons.

The number of gun owners is small compared to the population itself.


That just means half of us are good enough to help protect the half that won't help themselves.


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There in lies the problem.

Who can anybody tell if it was even gonna be a mass shooting?

Then it becomes nothing more than speculation.

But blame the liberal media.


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No where near half.

And just because somebody owns a gun doesn't mean they will use it.

But I understand people need weapons to feel brave. Must be a self esteem thing.


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wrong...here is an article for u and read the very last paragraph and tell me ur thoughts

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...soar-/?page=all

When I get the time I'll disprove your above statement.


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Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.
I'm seeing the direct correlation. It doesn't provide any fact stating that the ccw were used to lower the murder. It DOES say the number of permits has increased.

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The number of concealed carriers is likely even higher, since permits are not required in eight states.

Is it a good thing permits are not required?

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Gun rights advocates say that the findings in the report fall in line with their personal experiences and research and directly refute the liberal argument that more guns lead to more violence.

“It puts the lie to the myth promulgated by anti-gun individuals that somehow more law-abiding citizens carrying guns will lead to more crime. In fact, quite the opposite is the case,” said Larry Keene, senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation. “More law-abiding citizens own firearms for self-protection, and crime continues to decline.”
Still need the FACTS to prove the correlation.

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“Concealed carry killers are a threat to public safety.
Check out the number of road rage shootings by ccw carriers.

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In Florida and Texas permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors of felonies at one-sixth the rate that police officers are convicted, according to the report.
This proves they're lower the crime rate!? grin

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“I would go and have a sign out for carry permits in the middle of as many black communities as I could. This is going to be a very worrisome finding for the liberals. They ain’t got nothing if they haven’t got the blacks. They lose. That’s the only margin of victory they reliably have,” he added.
CDC !facts!

For 2013, the 10 states with the highest firearm age-adjusted death rates were: Alaska (19.8), Louisiana (19.3), Mississippi (17.8), Alabama (17.6), Arkansas (16.8), Wyoming (16.7), Montana (16.7), Oklahoma (16.5), New Mexico (15.5) and Tennessee (15.4).
The 10 states with the lowest firearm age-adjusted death rates were, starting with the lowest: Hawaii (2.6), Massachusetts (3.1), New York (4.2), Connecticut (4.4), Rhode Island (5.3), New Jersey (5.7), New Hampshire (6.4), Minnesota (7.6), California (7.7) and Iowa (8.0).

Homicide data for 2013 don’t give us a clear picture of homicides only by firearm; however, 70 percent of homicides for the year were by firearm. The 10 states with the highest homicide rates were: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Maryland, Oklahoma, South Carolina, New Mexico, Missouri and Michigan. That lists includes six states that also have the highest firearm death rates.

I'm not seeing Chicago in this data at all.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
There's not. They are very few and far between.

A lot of these stories are somebody with a gun shooting the guy, but only after he injured a bunch of people.

Great, he stopped it, but a lot of the times, nobody prevented it.


It is a time and moment thing. As a percentage there aren't that many permit holders. Then you add in the odds of one of them being there at the monent the stuff hits the fan...well, you get it. The odds are about the same that you or I just happen to be in the foodcourt mall when the shooting starts.


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There's not. They are very few and far between.

A lot of these stories are somebody with a gun shooting the guy, but only after he injured a bunch of people.

Great, he stopped it, but a lot of the times, nobody prevented it.


It is a time and moment thing. As a percentage there aren't that many permit holders. Then you add in the odds of one of them being there at the monent the stuff hits the fan...well, you get it. The odds are about the same that you or I just happen to be in the foodcourt mall when the shooting starts.


Let's also remember these shootings are largely happening in gun free zones, schools, movie theaters, company Christmas parties... You know soft targets where the shooter knows no one is going to be there to shoot back.


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Understood, peen.

But one thing people aren't discussing on this board:

As much as we like to use the trump card of "oh, we need it to protect us from the government", the only people we have to protect ourselves from are each other.

If the government was trying to kill off people, they don't even have to lift a finger, we are doing the job for them.

The fact that we need guns to feel safe in this country should be absolutely alarming to people. When I lived in Europe, I had no reason to need a gun. Stuff does happen, but it's so sparatic that it didn't matter. I didn't even feel the need to carry a knife.

But over here? I wanna build a damn bunker because we got so many nut cases here. I got a foreign wife asking me why there are so many shootings, and all I can say to her is "well, we need it just in case the government does something".

I don't know if you can understand how stupid that felt coming out of my mouth, and the look my wife gave me when I said it.

We don't need weapons to protect from the government, we need it to protect ourselves from each other.

What a circle.


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And Tulsa, when the law does target somebody unjustly, it doesn't matter, cause the citizen still gets hemmed up for it.

Remember that case where the guy shot and killed 2 cops at like 5am, because he thought it was somebody trying to break into his house? It was a no knock raid from the cops.

He got charged with murder, I don't know if he was able to beat the case, I hope he did. But the fact that this stuff happens shows that we aren't safe from the government, no matter how much warm and fuzzies guns give us.


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Originally Posted By: FBHO71
Not to be rude to anyone..but there are thousands of these kinds of stories. Media give them little to no play time.


If I'm the president of the NRA, I'm finding those stories and putting them out there even if I had to buy airtime on radio and TV to do it.

Eventually, the mainstream media will have to cover it.

Myself, I can't believe that the NRA would stand by and not get those stories out in some fashion ..


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I only ask because we are constantly told that when armed citizens intervene in situations like these it becomes a wild west shootout and the citizen with good intentions is more likely to kill more bystanders than the shooter??? superconfused

No, you have been told that in the event of a shooting at a church or in a movie theatre, if there were dozens of armed citizens that a wild west shoot out could happen.


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Not to be rude to anyone..but there are thousands of these kinds of stories. Media give them little to no play time.


If I'm the president of the NRA, I'm finding those stories and putting them out there even if I had to buy airtime on radio and TV to do it.

Eventually, the mainstream media will have to cover it.

Myself, I can't believe that the NRA would stand by and not get those stories out in some fashion ..





The NRA does put these stories out. So does the Blaze (Glenn Beck's site). The media does not, unless it's spectacular.


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And Tulsa, when the law does target somebody unjustly, it doesn't matter, cause the citizen still gets hemmed up for it.

Remember that case where the guy shot and killed 2 cops at like 5am, because he thought it was somebody trying to break into his house? It was a no knock raid from the cops.

He got charged with murder, I don't know if he was able to beat the case, I hope he did. But the fact that this stuff happens shows that we aren't safe from the government, no matter how much warm and fuzzies guns give us.


I hope he got off too, you're preaching to the choir there bud! thumbsup


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Not to be rude to anyone..but there are thousands of these kinds of stories. Media give them little to no play time.


If I'm the president of the NRA, I'm finding those stories and putting them out there even if I had to buy airtime on radio and TV to do it.

Eventually, the mainstream media will have to cover it.

Myself, I can't believe that the NRA would stand by and not get those stories out in some fashion ..





The NRA does put these stories out. So does the Blaze (Glenn Beck's site). The media does not, unless it's spectacular.


There's the problem then.. Glenn Beck. He lacks credibility. He has a select audience that is, by comparison, small. So it's like reading those stories on the Onion. You take it with a grain of salt.

Same with a guy like Jeff Christie. He's so one sided that it's hard to listen to him.

Again, if these things are happening, the main stream media would report them, it's too juicy to pass up. They'd do anything to stick it to a politician that says we need gun reform. LOL They'd do to any politician because it's fun to put them in their places ..

Gun shots fired in any city would generate some kinda coverage.

But hey, if you point them out to me, I'll read them..Maybe it will change my thinking. Dunno


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I got a foreign wife asking me why there are so many shootings, and all I can say to her is "well, we need it just in case the government does something".



Look at history and see what governments have done and it won't sound so stupid.


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Remember that case where the guy shot and killed 2 cops at like 5am, because he thought it was somebody trying to break into his house? It was a no knock raid from the cops.

He got charged with murder, I don't know if he was able to beat the case, I hope he did.

If you would like to follow it, his name is Marvin Louis Guy and the case has not been resolved yet. Plenty of stuff on the internet tracking how the proceedings are going. And yes, what they are doing to him blows for any number of reasons.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
There in lies the problem.

Who can anybody tell if it was even gonna be a mass shooting?

Then it becomes nothing more than speculation.

But blame the liberal media.



The majority of the media that most people are able to get is liberal. Not blaming them, it's just the way things are. As I said, if a CC owner stops a mass shooting, it's not spectacular enough to make the news unless he stops them after 3 or more are killed, and it's the same for someone defending their home or property. That's liberal and moderate media. You might find a mention on a more conservative site, but not often there either. Someone protecting their home with a gun is not news worthy enough.

I'm wondering if things are going to change in Europe in the next few years. Those people might be clamoring for gun ownership in the next few years, if there are more attacks like Paris.

Lastly, do people not believe in being prepared? I live in SE VA, and this is a hurricane area. There are 7 major roads into this area, and 3 of those are bridge tunnels, and all but one cross water or come from the south. If a large enough hurricane was to hit my area, we could be completely cut off from the rest of the world. After hurricane Isabel in 2003, we lost power for 8 days, and that sucks when you have electric powered wells. I lost about $600 in perishable foods, and it cost me hundreds more to deal with incidentals. We could conceivably lose all traffic coming into or out of the area, and as we are in a flat area, the sewers won't work if the pumps aren't running.

I have guns in case the worst happens. I don't care if it's a hurricane, snow, ice, terrorists, or alien invasion. If the worst happens, I should be able to feed my family for a few months, and protect them from those who aren't prepared and get desperate. I don't have a gun to feel brave, be a bad butt (modified for moderator comfort), or any of the other silly reasons some might think. I don't flash it, show it, or play with it, but I do go to the range every month or so to shoot it. I've taught my kids how to shoot too, as I really didn't want them to ever think it was a toy. When I eventually inherit my parent's house, I will prep that one even further, with gardens and a generator. My goal is to one day be self sustaining, if I ever need to be, and hope I never need to be.


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I lived in Virginia when hurricane Isabel hit..and it amazed me how many was not prepared..and depended on others for help:/

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