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I don't wanna. Don't fix blame, fix problems here & now instead.

Just seeing less light and more tunnel.

Man, I read a lot of things being said that: Banner did this, Haslam did that, Good guys turned us down (like Kelly LOL) etc.

Not one bit of fact there that anyone can prove. Just a repeat of media speculation.

Anyone with knowledge of the coaching search should know enough about what was going on to know, Haslam was the one that said, I'll take Pettine.

Remember the little Whisenhunt/Banner dust up that likely opened Haslam's eyes to the fact that top coaching talent was turning down the Browns job because of the management team Haslam had working for him.


Good read..


Why The Browns Blew Up The Franchise ... Again

WED FEB. 12, 2014
During a search for a new head coach, owner Jimmy Haslam lost faith in the leadership of CEO Joe Banner and GM Mike Lombardi, so he fired them. Now the Browns—losers of at least 11 games for six straight seasons—start all over.

The Cleveland Browns interviewed Ken Whisenhunt for their head-coaching job in each of the past two Januaries, first after he was fired as Arizona’s head coach, and last month when he was employed as San Diego’s offensive coordinator. When Whisenhunt entered the room this year for the interview, he was one of the hottest commodities on the head-coaching market, and the Browns were very interested in him.

Whisenhunt said, “Why didn’t you guys hire me last year?’’

The Browns' CEO who was in both interviews, Joe Banner, told Whisenhunt he didn’t think the staff he was putting together at the time was “a championship coaching staff.”
Whisenhunt, one NFL source said, was peeved that a man who had never coached and who’d been involved in football mainly on the business side would sit in judgment of his potential coaches.
“Who are you to tell me what makes up a championship coaching staff?” Whisenhunt said, with an edge in his voice.

That scene, another source told The MMQB, illustrated a big reason why owner Jimmy Haslam made the bombshell announcement he made Tuesday, firing Banner and general manager Mike Lombardi after their first full seasons on the job. Haslam became dubious about Banner’s football acumen and during the coach-search process following the firing of rookie coach Rob Chudzinski saw what a potential roadblock to success Banner would be. Add in Banner’s brusque and sometimes confrontational style that rubbed many around the NFL the wrong way, and you’ve got a good read on why Haslam stunned the NFL with the late-morning announcement.

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Now, based on this background information concerning the Pettine hire...who do you think made the call to hire Pettine?

I would only be speculating, but I'd say Haslam hired Pettine but on Banner and Lombardi's watch. Of course, Haslam took care of that pretty quickly.

That story about Whisenhunt was interesting. If I'm a HC candidate, I think the answer that Banner supposedly gave him for not hiring him is lame. I'd not take a job with that guy (banner) as team president.

Again, if that's true.

Columbus, I agree with you... who cost the team more, Manziel having a drink on the off week, or the guys that jump off-sides on 4th and 2.. or hold to negate a 30 yard completion...

http://www.profootballrumors.com/browns-devon-still-joe-flacco-ravens/

Fun.

Let the firings begin...LOL Looks like a mess over in Berea

DC, with all due respect, it is my opinion that JM's misbehaviour has much greater potential to impact the Browns as if JM is on a downhill slide (and I know that is debatable), that will be very detrimental to the team for the long term. If, if JM continues to party to excess, his level of play will ultimately be negatively affected. His "punishment" was a wakeup call, IMO, and he is fortunate that it was only 1 game...

to be fair, mac, banner nailed that one.

Whisenhunt, with one of the two top rookie QB's, got fired barely mid season.

So far it has been 2 games, not 1. You are making assumptions with everything stated above. Pettine has said all year that he is happy with the progress of Johnny. He goes out ON HIS OFF WEEK to a bar and causes no problems and Daddy is mad because he lied to him. As I've stated many times, I hate that he did lie, but I still vehemently believe he should have never been put in that position by the coaching staff. Bush league, petty egomaniacs is what they are. I've never been this pissed off at a coaching staff and it isn't even close.

I'm not off the deep end, heck I'm still going to the games. What is there to think clearly about - the guy is a dunce.


Nowhere did I state to throw individual players under the bus. He needs to throw his defense under the bus - other coaches say their teams played like garbage. My sons U12 soccer coach is harder on them after a loss than Pettine is to multi-millionaire adults playing a freaking game. This guy has no sense of accountability whatsoever, unless of course it is dealing with something someone does on their free time. Then its accountability city baby! He's a scam, a joke, not a head coach at this level.


I truly thought we would be bad this year - I figured 4-5 wins, I am very realistic. What I didn't expect was a level of incompetency that completely boggles the mind - not just about Johnny, but time management, horrid defense, horrid run blocking, ridiculous penalties, head scratching defensive alignments, players giving up, the list goes on and on.

Dammit, I swore to myself that I wasn't going to get back into this debate!

There are exactly ZERO reports out there that he has "partied to excess" since last spring.. in fact exactly the opposite is true.


It was 2 games, unless you honestly believe Austin Davis beat him out for the job last week.

Maybe Pettine is just a good guy trying to save Manziels career and future... but his waffling back and forth on it may have cost him the rest of the team who just wants to win..

Actually JFF himself put out a tweet the next morning saying he was having a rough morning or something to that effect. It was posted on an earlier thread. From the sounds of it, he was definitely suggesting he was hung over.

I can't find it right now, but it was posted on the board.

If only it was about the alcohol.

I believe to some extent it is. However, I believe the problems run much deeper than that. People wish to just brush it off as that though.

Again, so what? It was his off week, you know, VACATION! I'm sure none of us partake in libations while we have a week off. Heck, there have been days I actually go to work and feel a little rough in the morning if I had a few too many glasses of wine the night before.

The coaches have to be loving this, it is a classic deflection tactic - get everyone talking about a nonsensical issue to deflect from the real problems, like horrible coaching and overall bad football.

I'm glad he is starting, hopefully I can stop typing my nonsense that very few agree with

It wasn't about the drinking.

I get that, you've said that 1000 times to me. He lied, I get that too. As I've stated 1000 times, he should have never been put in that situation by these dunces.

People are put in horrible positions by their bosses everyday. Lying just makes the situation worse.

Also, if Manziel hadn't screwed up in the first place, then there would be no dumb rules.

Sure they are, but typically it isn't when they are on vacation or on their own time. I agree, as I've stated, the lying was dumb and it did bother me but not enough to hurt his evaluation. I care about winning, not about Johnny's personal life. It is really nothing more than that.

What he does on his on time is his business so long as he isn't breaking the law or making the Brown's look bad. What he did falls into neither of those categories IMO.

He should have been punished but not by being benched. My opinion, which isn't the popular one, but it isn't going to change. Pettine needs to worry about football and the crap product he is putting on the field, not about Johnny going out on his vacation time.

He shoulda stayed in Cleveland during the bye and worked like hell.

He didn't, but I hope he learned from it.

The lying argument is so freaking lame.

Have the Browns always been honest? Did Haslam have a say in drafting Manziel or not? Did they all lie? Have Farmer and Pet always been on the same page? If not, they lied. Did they promise that the team would run the ball and stop the run? They lied.

Why the hell would you hold ONE guy accountable to rules that others are not being expected to follow?

Too many people talk out their butts around here. "But, he lied."

What a load of nonsense!

Let me add this: There are several posters who are acting all smug about "anyone who believes he got demoted just for drinking is clueless."

Well............I think that anyone who thinks he really got demoted for lying is clueless. There is way more to this than "he lied." Good God. What a joke!

I would have liked him to, it is certainly what I would have done, but then again I'm a workaholic.

If he didn't want to, it should not have affected him being the starter one bit. It is just plain stupid to give him rules different than the rest of the team.

Some people get to lie, some don't. Manziel is not one of the people who gets to lie.

Anyone who thinks it's about just one thing is deluded. Lying is just the tip of the iceberg.

So, how would you have punished him? You say he should've been punished, just not by being benched - how should he have been punished?

Play without a helmet.

I'm with you Vers. This whole thing is just plain silly.

I posed a question early in this saga that I don't believe anyone answered, so I'll ask again. Sorry if I missed if it was answered.

Hypothetically, what if Mike went through the locker room and asked how many players smoked weed. I'm sure a good portion do, but I'll bet 100% say no. They are liars just as bad as Johnny at that point. I'll also bet some players have cheated on their wives - if Mike asks anyone in the locker room that question, it is a good bet 100% will also say no. Those examples are the same kind of situation Mike put Johnny in by banning him from going out on his vacation. It was just plain stupid.

Well, you made me laugh.

Just as bad as Johnny? He was not a first time offender.

The whole thing is a tremendous disaster. That doesn't change the fact that Manziel is an idiot liar who has no self-control.

Not sure what protocol would be, but it would have never gotten to the media for one - it would have been handled internally. Likely a hefty fine of some sort (a few game checks maybe) - I'm really not sure what is acceptable within the confines of NFL contracts though.

Yeah, I think the handling of JM has more to do w/Pet and the FO than him drinking and lying.

"He lied." What a crock. Who the hell doesn't lie in professional sports?

What was he an offender of?!? As I've said, I'm willing to let last year go. Many aren't and that is fine. By Mikes account he has done everything asked of him this year until that moment.

The thing is, Columbus, he'd just been handed the starters role after so much turmoil since he was drafted.he should have rewarded that show of faith by flying straight.

If you are willing to "let last year go," then he has done nothing wrong (that we know about).

Ignoring last year is a great way to justify what you want, when in reality we all know it was taken into account.

You quoted arch and he makes a good point.

Personally, I wouldn't have punished him at all. He did not break the law. He was not in trouble w/the NFL for violating their rather strict code of conduct. He didn't hurt anyone. He was acting in a similar nature to a large percentage of other NFL players during their bye weeks.

I would talk to him. I would try to impress upon him the importance of being professional. I would cite examples of guys who marry the job, like Peyton and Brady, but I would not have punished him.

Now, if he gets a DUI, or hits a woman, or sexually abuses a woman, or is caught w/drugs, or is involved w/a money laundering operation, etc...........then, I would certainly punish him.

Drinking during a bye week? Nope. Would not punish him at all.

J/C...

Haslam calls a meeting is it about Johnnys drinking or lying ?

Dear Lord when will all Johnny drinks and lies talk stop ?

This is causing me to want a drink, and I'm not lying..

First he will be cut or traded, then all of this will be rehashed. Then after that there will be a little period of no Manziel talk. Then if he plays for another team it will crop up again on a lower level. If he plays well it will be a little louder. Then in 2017 it will be nearly gone.

I'm not using it to justify anything - I am willing to forgive him, others aren't and that is fine. He has done everything asked of him, so yeah, I'm willing to forgive. It's called a second chance, apparently some on here have never had to have one.

A second chance from you, my guess is that the organization already gave him many second chances that we don't know about.

There were reports that Pettine wanted to get rid of him in the off-season.