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Now, a simple exception to HIPAA if you are trying to buy a gun could easily take care of part of item #2... it'd at least catch some, BUT, you run the very likely risk of a case where someone goes through a rough patch in life and 20 years later it is still preventing them from getting a gun if they wanted one. Who you were isn't necessarily who you are. That only catches people that are being or have been seen, like former military members with PTSD. You'd also have to have designations as to what actually disqualifies someone from obtaining a gun for mental health reasons. Are you sure you want to exclude vets? People who have never been seen by a doctor, those that hide their intentions, terrorists that believe radical doctrines would still not come under this exception, and will still have legal rights to guns.
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Bet we could come up with a few more that involves keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics.
To do this you either have to take the guns away from everyone, or you have to figure out how to identify the lunatics. Now, a simple exception to HIPAA if you are trying to buy a gun could easily take care of part of item #2... it'd at least catch some, BUT, you run the very likely risk of a case where someone goes through a rough patch in life and 20 years later it is still preventing them from getting a gun if they wanted one. Who you were isn't necessarily who you are. This would NOT catch anyone that is a lunatic due to political motivations, and unless you could prove they are indeed a lunatic, any attempts to take away their gun rights due to their leanings or beliefs is a violation of other Constitutional Rights. As for taking away ALL guns, there is no way that happens in a single step - it would have to be done incrementally or risk literal rebellion. Hence, this begins with tighter regulation, then more regulation, then more, then removal. Anything that falls short of identifying every lunatic or removing every gun allows things to continue. There is not a middle ground. As long as guns can be gotten, people that want to kill will be able to use them to kill. Period. And, if you take their guns, they'll just switch to knives & pipe bombs/IEDs. Pass a written exam including safety of operation would be a good start.
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J/C "Conceal Carry Permits". I have no problems with them. It can save lives.
It requires a permit to do so.
So there you have it...a gun control law that saves lives. Open carry would also, as people would see the guns and probably rethink their actions. or try and jack you for your gun...I prefer conceal carry. Open brings unwanted attention good and bad. Maybe I should consider Arizona..no permit for conceal carry there I believe. Alaska either?? to cold for me there though.
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For a God given right??A constitutional right?shall not be infringed seems to be a little blurry lately  Not pickin an argument just saying..Thats coming from someone who has had a lot of firearm training..but if someone doesn't want to do that well everything has consequences now doesn't it 
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Bet we could come up with a few more that involves keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics.
To do this you either have to take the guns away from everyone, or you have to figure out how to identify the lunatics. Now, a simple exception to HIPAA if you are trying to buy a gun could easily take care of part of item #2... it'd at least catch some, BUT, you run the very likely risk of a case where someone goes through a rough patch in life and 20 years later it is still preventing them from getting a gun if they wanted one. Who you were isn't necessarily who you are. This would NOT catch anyone that is a lunatic due to political motivations, and unless you could prove they are indeed a lunatic, any attempts to take away their gun rights due to their leanings or beliefs is a violation of other Constitutional Rights. As for taking away ALL guns, there is no way that happens in a single step - it would have to be done incrementally or risk literal rebellion. Hence, this begins with tighter regulation, then more regulation, then more, then removal. Anything that falls short of identifying every lunatic or removing every gun allows things to continue. There is not a middle ground. As long as guns can be gotten, people that want to kill will be able to use them to kill. Period. And, if you take their guns, they'll just switch to knives & pipe bombs/IEDs. Pass a written exam including safety of operation would be a good start. That is already happening for a concealed carry license.
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One last thing on this..I've given in to the last common sense gun law I'm going to follow...Ive managed to go 35yrs without incident..damn near everyone I know same thing.
Just because people don't trust themselves or other people to carry firearms and just want more 'common sense' laws well it doesn't stop..more and more and more laws.
How about enforce whats on the books. People don't like them..dont get one..don't want to be around them..then don't. Want to depend on the MAN to help you when poo poo hits the fan ..well that's your right.
but I'm, MEEEE, am not going to budge another inch..guess if tghat makes me a problem/gets me in trouble I'll cross that bridge when it comes.
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Bet we could come up with a few more that involves keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics.
To do this you either have to take the guns away from everyone, or you have to figure out how to identify the lunatics. Now, a simple exception to HIPAA if you are trying to buy a gun could easily take care of part of item #2... it'd at least catch some, BUT, you run the very likely risk of a case where someone goes through a rough patch in life and 20 years later it is still preventing them from getting a gun if they wanted one. Who you were isn't necessarily who you are. This would NOT catch anyone that is a lunatic due to political motivations, and unless you could prove they are indeed a lunatic, any attempts to take away their gun rights due to their leanings or beliefs is a violation of other Constitutional Rights. As for taking away ALL guns, there is no way that happens in a single step - it would have to be done incrementally or risk literal rebellion. Hence, this begins with tighter regulation, then more regulation, then more, then removal. Anything that falls short of identifying every lunatic or removing every gun allows things to continue. There is not a middle ground. As long as guns can be gotten, people that want to kill will be able to use them to kill. Period. And, if you take their guns, they'll just switch to knives & pipe bombs/IEDs. Pass a written exam including safety of operation would be a good start. That is already happening for a concealed carry license. Good, sounds like it could be working, it should be for all. It's a good start.
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I think he wants that to even purchase one??? could be wrong wouldnt be the first time.
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I'm cool with talking about this, but please, stop saying its a God given right.
I don't see any passage in the bible that reads "and then God said 'thou shall have 2 ar-15's"
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How about enforce whats on the books Exactly which gun control laws on the books are you talking about that's not being enforced?
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Now, a simple exception to HIPAA if you are trying to buy a gun could easily take care of part of item #2... it'd at least catch some, BUT, you run the very likely risk of a case where someone goes through a rough patch in life and 20 years later it is still preventing them from getting a gun if they wanted one. Who you were isn't necessarily who you are. That only catches people that are being or have been seen, like former military members with PTSD. You'd also have to have designations as to what actually disqualifies someone from obtaining a gun for mental health reasons. Are you sure you want to exclude vets? People who have never been seen by a doctor, those that hide their intentions, terrorists that believe radical doctrines would still not come under this exception, and will still have legal rights to guns. I don't see how veteran status matters... either the person is stable and unlikely to become unhinged with their weapon, or they're not. As for folks with radical beliefs, I believe I already stated that with my "political leanings" line. It is what takes us right back to the point that nothing short of taking ALL guns will EVER even remotely have a chance of completely stopping mass shootings, and even then, you're not going to stop all of the mass shootings.... and in the process, all you've done is disarm a bunch of law abiding people that were never a threat at all.
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God didn't hand down any right to own weapons.
That's a man created law.
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How about enforce whats on the books Exactly which gun control laws on the books are you talking about that's not being enforced? I'll get back to you bud i have stuff to do..and if you have to ask..maybe you should read more 
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And people need to look up the definition of amendment.
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maybe not to an atheist but he did to me
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So if God gave you that right, if the Feds knocked down you're door for your guns, would God strike lighting on them?
And i mean literally. Will God descend from the heavens and smite thee?
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How about enforce whats on the books Exactly which gun control laws on the books are you talking about that's not being enforced? I'll get back to you bud i have stuff to do..and if you have to ask..maybe you should read more Don't bother it's a NRA line and they can't answer the question either.
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maybe not to an atheist but he did to me What you believe he says to you doesn't matter to anyone but you. What Man wrote in the Constitution is what matters. Nobodies God handed down anything in the Constitution.
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Yes, and most of the time you still can't tell their intentions, and no one can predict the future. I mentioned veterans because I don't trust the current administration, and I could see some measure passed, ordered, to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that had a previous psychological visit, which includes a lot of veterans.
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Umm ok... inalienable rights flow to us from God rather than from government. I dont have time maybe later...Um yeah perfect spiral an NRA line.
Maybe Devildawg will have the time to explain laws that arent being enforced I dont right now.
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I could see some measure passed, ordered, to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that had a previous psychological visit Speculations. I could see some measures passed that saves 1000 American lives a year and cuts the death toll of mass shootings by 75%
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If it was an inalienable right from God, then most, if not all countries would allow citizens to have guns, as they wouldn't have any say so in the matter in the first place.
They don't.
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Don't bother FB nobody has the answer to that question. It's a NRA lie.
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Don't bother FB nobody has the answer to that question. It's a NRA lie. Believe what you like Dont really care.. Swish If I had the time I would discuss this..I dont so I wont. Have a great day kid
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Not to be rude to anyone..but there are thousands of these kinds of stories. Media give them little to no play time. If I'm the president of the NRA, I'm finding those stories and putting them out there even if I had to buy airtime on radio and TV to do it. Eventually, the mainstream media will have to cover it. Myself, I can't believe that the NRA would stand by and not get those stories out in some fashion .. The NRA does put these stories out. So does the Blaze (Glenn Beck's site). The media does not, unless it's spectacular. There's the problem then.. Glenn Beck. He lacks credibility. He has a select audience that is, by comparison, small. So it's like reading those stories on the Onion. You take it with a grain of salt. Same with a guy like Jeff Christie. He's so one sided that it's hard to listen to him. Again, if these things are happening, the main stream media would report them, it's too juicy to pass up. They'd do anything to stick it to a politician that says we need gun reform. LOL They'd do to any politician because it's fun to put them in their places .. Gun shots fired in any city would generate some kinda coverage. But hey, if you point them out to me, I'll read them..Maybe it will change my thinking. Dunno Start reading. WOW, Some clear issues there. Sad that some of them were convicted.. I always thought that if you feared for your life and took action, it would be considered justified. Before all my gun toting friends jump in my face, you should know that I'm not against gun ownership by private citizens. I admit I don't understand the need for automatic weapons or semi auto that are converted to full auto. But then again, I have friends that will never understand my love of sports cars and would never be able to justify how much I spend on mine.. so, I guess it's ok not to understand someone's obsession in a different hobby. These stories that you put out there are things I've not read or heard of. I'm not at all sure why that is.
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The problem with "fearing for your life" is that often times, there should've been known fear in the first place, or the shooter initiated contact first.
Like the guy who shot at these kids in car because the music was too loud, and he thought when HE walked up on the car, that they had a gun, so he fired inside and killed one of them.
His ass absolutely deserved to be in jail.
Justification only counts if you was minding your own business.
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Umm ok... inalienable rights flow to us from God rather than from government. 
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Don't bother FB nobody has the answer to that question. It's a NRA lie. Believe what you like Dont really care.. Swish If I had the time I would discuss this..I dont so I wont. Have a great day kid Good maybe the next time you use a quote from some other entity you'll have some facts to back it up. 
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I could see some measure passed, ordered, to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that had a previous psychological visit Speculations. I could see some measures passed that saves 1000 American lives a year and cuts the death toll of mass shootings by 75% \ You mean like the right to keep and bear arms?
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Umm ok... inalienable rights flow to us from God rather than from government. Our rights are not granted by the government, which is why the Constitution uses such phrasing like "Congress shall not pass" and "Shall not be infringed". The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to tell the government what they couldn't do to us citizens, as those are rights that cannot be taken from us. In other words, god given, or if you're an atheist, natural born rights.
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Umm ok... inalienable rights flow to us from God rather than from government. Our rights are not granted by the government, which is why the Constitution uses such phrasing like "Congress shall not pass" and "Shall not be infringed". The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to tell the government what they couldn't do to us citizens, as those are rights that cannot be taken from us. In other words, god given, or if you're an atheist, natural born rights. Thanks...
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The problem with "fearing for your life" is that often times, there should've been known fear in the first place, or the shooter initiated contact first.
Like the guy who shot at these kids in car because the music was too loud, and he thought when HE walked up on the car, that they had a gun, so he fired inside and killed one of them.
His ass absolutely deserved to be in jail.
Justification only counts if you was minding your own business. He deserved to be executed. No reason the tax payers should be burdened with keeping him alive.
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No I'll just ask you for the facts Ha Ha. Nice distraction.
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I could see some measure passed, ordered, to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that had a previous psychological visit Speculations. I could see some measures passed that saves 1000 American lives a year and cuts the death toll of mass shootings by 75% \ You mean like the right to keep and bear arms? Back to all or nothing. That's a rap.
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I could see some measure passed, ordered, to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that had a previous psychological visit Speculations. I could see some measures passed that saves 1000 American lives a year and cuts the death toll of mass shootings by 75% \ You mean like the right to keep and bear arms? Back to all or nothing. That's a rap. That is the law. I would say the 2nd Amendment has saved more American lives than any other.
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Umm ok... inalienable rights flow to us from God rather than from government. Our rights are not granted by the government, which is why the Constitution uses such phrasing like "Congress shall not pass" and "Shall not be infringed". The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to tell the government what they couldn't do to us citizens, as those are rights that cannot be taken from us. In other words, god given, or if you're an atheist, natural born rights. and yet, those Rights can be amended/removedy at will by the government/People. They are simply "inalienable" Rights... that means that no other laws can supercede them. Terms such as "God-given" are used by people to describe a contextual idea, not any sort of statement of fact.
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Umm ok... inalienable rights flow to us from God rather than from government. The unalienable rights that are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence could just as well have been inalienable, which means the same thing. Inalienable or unalienable refers to that which cannot be given away or taken away. However, the Founders used the word "unalienable" as defined by William Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1:93, when he defined unalienable rights as: "Those rights, then, which God and nature have established, and therefore called natural rights, such as life and liberty, need not the aid of human laws to be more effectually invested in every man than they are; neither do they receive any additional strength when declared by the municipal laws to be inviolable. On the contrary, no human legislature has power to abridge or destroy them, unless the owner shall himself commit some act that amounts to a forfeiture."...in other words a person may do something to forfeit their unalienable rights...for instance the unalienable right to freedom which can be forfeited by the commission of a crime for which they may be punished by their loss of freedom. However, once they are freed after serving their punishment their right is restored. Prepare your apology.
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So if God gave you that right, if the Feds knocked down you're door for your guns, would God strike lighting on them?
And i mean literally. Will God descend from the heavens and smite thee? No, that's what God gave FB the gun for.
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