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I agree - I think we will be drafting a QB pretty much no matter what. Well, unless Farmer somehow survives. I also agree even if Johnny had 6 games that would probably be the case.

Best case scenario is we end up with two good QB's. Worst case, they both stink.

Definitely can't agree with that one. If it were that easy, we wouldn't be still looking for a QB after 15+ years.

If Manziel "strings" together four good games, we have a keeper, and we draft another position with that first round pick.

If he passes the eyeball test then he's good to go. We have too many other holes to fill if he looks likes he can be a QB to move forward with. From what I gather in reading posts on this board, there's no sure-fire Andrew Luck type in this draft so I don't wanna reach if JFF plays well here.

Ballpark figures, but if Manziel in four games throws for 1,000 yards, six TDs and keeps the picks to 2 or 3, I say draft Joey Bosa. Connor Cook will be there at the top of Round 2, if we want him. QBs always fall.

People really think four games is enough to see if a QB is good? Do you guys not remember Derek Anderson?

I knew he was an implosion waiting to happen. So did Michelle and/or Jules and a few others.

Defending Manziel in the other thread, and agreeing with you on this one I love this board

IF Johnny strings together 4 good games, I'd be comfortable going in to next season with the same QB's we have now to be honest. I think McCown has been a pretty good influence on Johhny and I think he's good enough to keep him as a 2nd string guy.

I wouldn't be unhappy with that, as none of the QB's in this class have me excited. However, if the new FO (assuming we have a new one) feels we need a QB and likes one of them I'd have no problem with taking one with our first pick. I think Lynch would be my first choice at this point.

As cfr stated, we've see too many times where QB's string together a nice set of games only to completely suck once designated "the one".

Very different set of circumstances on all sorts of levels. If JM does well in 4 games - what? You want to draft a top flight QB in the draft? In a draft that seems starkly devoid of a clearly identifiable elite prospect???

No - 4 games is not enough - but you have to deal with the hand your dealt and if we end up with the #1 or #2 pick - and the top rated QB is something like 8-14 on your board - do you really want to jettison JM and start over just coz? I'm not ready to do that yet, ugly warts and all with regard to JM and his off field issues.

No what he said was that he had not talked to the QBs yet and that was the end of it. He has consistently insisted on talking things over with players before he talks about it to the media.

I would ask myself this question:

Can [whoever the QB is] be a long term starter in the league and play at an above average level?

If yes, pick him. If no, don't pick him.

I think Goff can be that player.

I'm OK with that. Now what do you do with Manziel? In that scenario, I can't see keeping JM. Davis may be a competent #2...

I'd trade Manziel for whatever I could get for him. If he can't be traded, then cut him. He can't be relied on.

But if JM shows the same potential - and you have McCown who might be old but sure as heck showed he has above average ability when given some time ... I think it's a total waste of a pick that high. JMO.

I cannot handle another season watching McCown..

Manziel will always have the reliability question mark hanging over his head. That is not something a team can afford to have at QB.

We only had to do one thing this season -- find out if Manziel can play. Because of a variety of circumstances we will not know the answer to the Manziel question.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...p=gt&c4val=

The above link is a list of QBs who have had great four games streaks. There are many great QBs on the list. There are also some horrible QBs.

We are in a horrible situation, we should not make that situation worse by passing on a starting QB.

This.

Keep McCown. Draft Goff (or whoever is the best QB as determined by our new front office and coaches). Let McCown backup the rookie. Nothing wrong with that.

Before naming Davis starter last week, Pettine said he was going to review it "week to week"... so is Manziel the starter for the duration or will this be re-evaluated next week again?

That link is really not instructive in the case of Manziel. Were he to string together four strong games in a row, it would not be coming at some random juncture in his career. It would be coming essentially in his first chance. Big difference.
Still, there is nothing he can do at this point to conclusively prove we should not draft Lynch or Goff. It's just that we have so many holes it would be nice if we did not have to.

If we draft a QB in the 1st round, then Manziel has to go.Too much "drama" if you were to have Manziel compete with the rookie you drafted to hopefully be your franchise #1. Keep McCown as you said, and Davis should be OK as either your #2 or #3.

You guys do realize that we'll see Terrelle Pryor at QB vs Pittsburgh in game 16. Its pre-ordained, since the Browns returned in '99, that the 3rd string QB starts the last game of the season.

We have so many other issues to worry about. McCown was not costing us games.

Are we assuming Pettine is still making the QB decisions right? He usually has a press conf for these announcements. Not this time. My guess is he's being forced into starting JM against his will.

But But But... He holds the ball too long.

I'm pretty sure that's what his "tough decisions" quote was about in the Mary Kay article.

He has vision , he can see the field. I think this is one of his biggest strengths. He has an arm and is accurate. His arm worries me. The tendinitis thing. Maybe it was blown out of proportion a bit this year but it kind of worries me.

j\c All I know is JM threw for 371 against PITT playing HIS game and went up and down the field on Cincy in first half playing HIS game then PETTINE decides to contain him in 2nd half which is exactly what LEWIS said they had to do leading me to believe that JM is a way better QB. than pettine is a coach IMO

4 game stretch is pretty rough. the 49ers are playing their best ball, which may be the single greatest coaching job I have ever seen. WE give pet a team with 6 probowlers and we get blown out in 5 of last 6 and 49ers lose every good player on their roster and playing like their lives depend upon it.

Chiefs are red hot. That defense is beating QBs up. Really tough game especially since Alex Smith may not throw an incomplete pass against this defense lol

Seahawks another team on a roll. shutdown AP dared Teddy to beat them deep. Destroyed.

Pitt looks virtually unbeatable right now as well. We may have to put up 50 on them.


Johnny gets Pryor thoguh who he did have some really good chemistry with before the hammy. I am intrigued. Dont expect a single win but i want to see how certain guys step up or quit.

I agree with this. But four games is still not enough time to show if a player can do the above things consistently.

You do realize that Pettine will probably relegate JM to the 3rd string before the 49'rs game.

If that's what it takes to lose, then I'm okay with that.

Mangini would still be here if not for hiring Daboll. The guy was an idiot. I think Pet is making the same mistakes as HC. Putting his friendship ahead of performance.

Daboll>flip