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Are we all just forgetting the fact this is not a one incident thing and we are punishing him possibly too severely?
He partied himself almost out of football he needed to address it strongly and he did by putting himself into rehab which I'm no expert but when one puts themselves into rehab they can take themselves out of rehab anytime they want.
But he wished to save his career, we don't know how severe things were so that we could add Save his Life???
But we take this one incident in the bye week and look at it as if this is the first time Manziel has had a conflict with partying. He gave in after they talked about his conduct now that he was named starter.
Don't forget it (his problem) got so bad they had to get security to go to his apartment and get him sober and to the facilities to get his rehab (Physical) treatment.
At that moment it was not about football for Pettine it was about him helping a human being. It wasn't about a 22 year old going on break and partying. It was about a 22 year old that just could not stop himself from doing just what he was told to avoid and this was like experience one of being named the starter. Was he returning to the problems he was at when he entered Rehab?
Its about how he was (and this was from the pre break Manziel presser) going to return Saturday and spend Sunday a day ahead of everyone to view film. Above and beyond what is the standard. Like all good young QBs who could move onto to Franchise QBs do. Like Mariota is doing, Winston, Carr and Bridgewater. Manziel stated that was his PLAN to commence his starting QB as a Brown!!!
So what did he do HIS VERY FIRST REAL (not due to injury) he ditches the go extra nine yards in preparing. Why? cause he has a private party set up at a Club Saturday night when the plan was to get back to Cleveland Saturday evening. So do we assume he was hung over from Saturday cause I know if that was me and yes at 22 and I partied heavy then. I would have my butt in Berea on Sunday studying film anyways - I wouldn't get shit faced and ditch my responsibilities...Cause unlike Manziel my priority would be football (sports) over anything. He chose to ditch the plan for partying. ON THE VERY FIRST DAY of his JOB...Its not about the one incident that to me was more than him partying during the break. You want to party fine. You let partying take you away from being great at what you do...that is wrong!
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Are we all just forgetting the fact this is not a one incident thing and we are punishing him possibly too severely? This year it has been only one incident, possibly 2 if you count his nutty GF trying to jump out of a moving car. I've fully acknowledged last year was a problem, yet he has had no real problems this year other than the ones manufactured by an idiotic rule put into place by the coaching staff. He partied himself almost out of football he needed to address it strongly and he did by putting himself into rehab which I'm no expert but when one puts themselves into rehab they can take themselves out of rehab anytime they want. Yep, he addressed it and by all indications was doing great. But he wished to save his career, we don't know how severe things were so that we could add Save his Life??? Now you are making stuff up. Saving his life? Sure it is a possibility, but there are many, many 22 year olds that party as much if not more than him and live to tell about it. But we take this one incident in the bye week and look at it as if this is the first time Manziel has had a conflict with partying. He gave in after they talked about his conduct now that he was named starter. Of course it isn't his first "incident", and likely not his last. I don't care if he goes to a bar - the kid has never been in trouble with the NFL and never done anything felonious. Based on what you read hear you would think he should be locked up with the key thrown away. Don't forget it (his problem) got so bad they had to get security to go to his apartment and get him sober and to the facilities to get his rehab (Physical) treatment. Yep, last year after which he got help via rehab. We still don't know what rehab was for though and probably never will. At that moment it was not about football for Pettine it was about him helping a human being. It wasn't about a 22 year old going on break and partying. It was about a 22 year old that just could not stop himself from doing just what he was told to avoid and this was like experience one of being named the starter. Was he returning to the problems he was at when he entered Rehab? No one knows why he was in rehab, so pure speculation. Stupid rule put into place by a stupid high school coach. Its about how he was (and this was from the pre break Manziel presser) going to return Saturday and spend Sunday a day ahead of everyone to view film. Above and beyond what is the standard. Like all good young QBs who could move onto to Franchise QBs do. Like Mariota is doing, Winston, Carr and Bridgewater. Manziel stated that was his PLAN to commence his starting QB as a Brown!!!
So what did he do HIS VERY FIRST REAL (not due to injury) he ditches the go extra nine yards in preparing. Why? cause he has a private party set up at a Club Saturday night when the plan was to get back to Cleveland Saturday evening. So do we assume he was hung over from Saturday cause I know if that was me and yes at 22 and I partied heavy then. I would have my butt in Berea on Sunday studying film anyways - I wouldn't get shit faced and ditch my responsibilities...Cause unlike Manziel my priority would be football (sports) over anything. He chose to ditch the plan for partying. ON THE VERY FIRST DAY of his JOB...Its not about the one incident that to me was more than him partying during the break. You want to party fine. You let partying take you away from being great at what you do...that is wrong! I don't care what the kid does as long as he can play football. Funny thing is, I sit here and am one of the few to defend him, and I don't think he even has the tools to be successful. I'd like to find out and be wrong though.
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Now you are making stuff up. Saving his life?
Try to actually be correct if you are to insult me about making stuff up.
we don't know how severe things were so that we could add Save his Life???
That is what I said and you even quoted it. How does me saying we don't know how severe. And even end that thought with a ? Simply put I'm not making anything up I'm saying maybe we are not just saving his career but his life?
Problems btw don't have clear cut parameters, are you saying what happened last year has nothing to do with this year? Are you kidding me?
He was doing great and as football was getting more comfortable again we started seeing him with a beer in his hand and have a couple of drinks at a BBQ...nothing out of hand mind you but his Roomate and Mentor (his HS Coach) brought in by Manziel to help him stay mature in the first stages. Told all that he was doing things he shouldn't be doing at all and it was not good.
Its about heading down the wrong path...last year he was not even considered ready to be a starter and it had nothing to do with off the field stuff, he just wasn't ready so he was harming himself not the team. This year its about having confidence in giving him the KEYS TO THE CAR.
I don't care what the kid does as long as he can play football.
You don't care that he ditched his own plan to study his ass of on his first real starting opportunity? You don't care that he was going for a PASSING GRADE instead of going for an "A+"?
Don't know about you. For him to be a star for US not HIM...he has to be Great not just play football. Mediocre we have had. Mediocre is McCown, Hoyer, Holcomb, etc. etc. etc.
We deserve great. HIS FIRST REAL START and he ditches the extra work needed to become great...TOO PARTY, his choice. If you don't see this remotely wrong then I can say no more.
Oh and for the record...I thought and still do think Manziel can become GREAT!!! So maybe that is the problem...OK and mediocre is above what you thought of him so you are satisfied. Sorry if I'm not cause he is blowing it. If he was serious and studious from the get go we would have had our Franchise QB already in the house!
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And oh, by the way, I never once said that the problem is being overblown.. Sorry, missed an important word in there. Fixed it. You are right, but I think his problem is being overblown He spent almost the entire the off-season in rehab. Overblown? Really?
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Then he went and did it again, and like a true addict lied about it and denied it.
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Eo, I certainly didn't mean to insult you on the saving his life thing. I love reading your takes on here, I apologize if I offended you. Being on the opposite side of the majority is new to me on this site, so I may have a tendency to fly off the handle occasionally.  I want him to play great football too. I really, really do - but I don't think he has it. If he is great, I don't really care how he gets there. If how he is doing things now equates to mediocrity then that is how he will be. I agree, most great players consume themselves with their job - just as anyone who is great at their job typically do. Lets just hope this whole mess is over now, Johnny does what is asked of him, and we can get back to football! I still won't change my opinion of how this was handled, but I'm tired of typing responses very few agree with.  In the end, we are all Browns fans that want the team to win. We just have different ideas of how that might be achieved. 
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No need to apologies for your opinion. Only thing that I reacted to negative was the "Making stuff up" I try to make sure all know when I stat a fact from an Opinion and I try to state that it is a question so that just that doesn't happen - people thinking I'm stating it as a fact. Thats all - thanks for taking the time to patch anything up. Trust me if ever I get angry I don't even know what it was about a day later.
One thing is clear...Winning is Great and Losing Sucks! I hate this time of year when the end result is that we Sucked this season!
Manziel if he is the Savior "THE GUY" we need him stable. I can't wait till he gets married (not to that drunk GF) and has kids. Usually that is when the big change comes to the young guys!
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Bro if I offered you a few MILLION dollars a year if you didn't drink in public would you refrain from drinking in public each year that I handed you the cash? Absolutely! But I am not Johnny +1. Manziel is from a different place in his life and a different background. What most would find to be "common sense," he may not.
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And oh, by the way, I never once said that the problem is being overblown.. Sorry, missed an important word in there. Fixed it. You are right, but I think his problem is being overblown LOL Much better...:) Manziel seems to think he was forced to learn a lesson and I think he's right. He WAS forced. Because NOT forcing it down his throat didn't work. Trying to handle things privately in the offices in Berea didn't work., Trying to keep it "just between us guys" didn't work. Even Pettine is saying what your saying about Manziel being pretty much a model citizen since his return from Rehab. He also stated that it wasn't Manziel drinking that caused him to Bench Manziel. It was the LIE. I'm paraphrasing here of course. you probably already saw this, but just in case http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...b6-0108cab77261
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The same rules should apply to everyone. I realize you do not get that, but it's true. You should not allow others to drink like crazy and then tell one player he can't. I'd say that everyone who blew an entire year of their career partying and got out of rehab 6 months ago probably do have the same rules... Sometimes circumstances change things.
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The same rules should apply to everyone. I realize you do not get that, but it's true. You should not allow others to drink like crazy and then tell one player he can't. I'd say that everyone who blew an entire year of their career partying and got out of rehab 6 months ago probably do have the same rules... Sometimes circumstances change things. Yup, it's all about context. I completely, 100% agree that the same rules should apply to everyone - at the outset. Everybody gets the same starting point, but from there on out, they get what they earn. If someone repeatedly shows that they aren't responsible or reliable enough for the Big Boy set of rules, then they don't get to go by those rules and they get a whole new set to bring them back into line.
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So they had the meeting, a couple days later Manziel was announced the starter... is the general consensus that is all they discussed? Are there any other rumors floating around or did we get our notification of Manziel and then stop caring? I was under the impression this was some big "come to Jesus" meeting.... is this it?
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So they had the meeting, a couple days later Manziel was announced the starter... is the general consensus that is all they discussed? Are there any other rumors floating around or did we get our notification of Manziel and then stop caring? I was under the impression this was some big "come to Jesus" meeting.... is this it? They aren't saying. WE don't even know for sure if Manziel was discussed. Probably, but who knows
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Just been some rumbles the browns were looking into several college coaches and Saban being one closely watched as he and Haslam have a relationship. Nothing but initial type stuff gathering a list of interest. When those rumors beganseemed to be a lot more tension in Berea as well.
Thats not saying they are making plans,just were gathering some info in case they need to make a move.
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So they had the meeting, a couple days later Manziel was announced the starter... is the general consensus that is all they discussed? Are there any other rumors floating around or did we get our notification of Manziel and then stop caring? I was under the impression this was some big "come to Jesus" meeting.... is this it? You know the best rumors are the ones nobody ever hears about 
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