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Drew Carey says he's done with the Browns newsnet5.com staff 6:05 AM, Dec 9, 2015


CLEVELAND - We know that Drew Carey makes it very clear he's proud to be from the City of Cleveland and that means he's an avid supporter of Cleveland sport teams.

But that no longer includes the Browns...at least until they prove they can turn things around.

In an interview with NBC Sports' Joe Posnanski, Carey said he's not buying into the team right now.

“Quit buying it. I’ll buy the Browns when they’re worth buying it," he said. "That’s all there is to it. I’m sorry about it. I hope I’m not hurting anybody’s feelings. But I’m not a masochist. I’m not buying a bad product just because it’s from Cleveland.”

The comedian goes on to say Clevelanders should spend their money on something we are actually proud of.

“Go to the orchestra. It’s the best orchestra in the whole wide world, arguably, and it’s right in our city. Take the money you were going to spend on the Browns, take your kids, and go to the (bleeping) orchestra. Then you can have pride in your city. That’s the thing to be proud of. Don’t wear your (bleeping) Browns shirt like an idiot.”

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Drew Carey has given up on the Cleveland Browns. This was the fact that kept echoing in my head as I watched every minute of the Browns’ humiliating and brain-dead 37-3 loss to the Bengals on Sunday. Drew Carey — Mr. Cleveland, the city’s native son, a guy who has had his own Cleveland Indians bobblehead day, a man who (like me) cried after Brian Sipe threw the Red Right 88 interception against Oakland in 1981 — has given up on the Browns.

“You don’t have to support them just because they’re in Cleveland,” he told me two days before the game. We were in Las Vegas, him to host the NASCAR Awards show, and me to ride in a race car and spin donuts with Dale Earnhardt Jr.

“You don’t have to support them,” Carey said. “You don’t have to do it. … If somebody owned a sandwich shop in Cleveland, and they were selling (bleepy) sandwiches, you don’t have to buy the (bleepy) sandwiches just because they’re from Cleveland. You could buy sandwiches from anywhere. You could buy them from a chain.

“It’s stupid. You’re doing the same thing with the Browns.That’s a business, and they’re there to take your money and make a profit. … Quit buying it. I’ll buy the Browns when they’re worth buying it. That’s all there is to it. I’m sorry about it. I hope I’m not hurting anybody’s feelings. But I’m not a masochist. I’m not buying a bad product just because it’s from Cleveland.”

Well, yeah, Drew Carey has a point, one that made more and more sense as the Sunday game progressed. I began this whole thing — this return to Cleveland fanhood — as an adventure to rediscover that feeling of being a diehard fan. There have been fun moments, even in the midst of Cleveland’s terrible season. But there was nothing at all fun about Sunday. There was just this terrible sense that the Browns have stopped trying from the top down and that, like Drew Carey says, they’re just cashing in on us suckers who are blinded by hometown love and childhood gullibilility.

Here was the first hint that the Browns were not going to even try on Sunday. They started Austin Davis at quarterback. Now … why would they do that? Nobody on earth other than, perhaps, the immediate Davis family believes that there is any future with Austin Davis at quarterback. He is a one-time college walk-on, an undrafted, 26-year-old journeyman already released by St. Louis (twice) and Miami. It’s an inspiring tale that he has continued to find professional work as a quarterback, but the Browns KNOW he’s not their future. Still they started him Sunday anyway because their lame-duck coach Mike Pettine refuses to play the Heisman Trophy winner the Browns drafted in the first round last year.

I don’t want to go back into the Johnny Manziel nee Football saga because it’s so depressing, but let’s just say this: I get why Pettine benched Manziel last week. I really do. He had named Manziel the starter going into Cleveland’s bye week. He undoubtedly PLEADED with Manziel to put aside his knucklehead ways for just one week. And Manziel showed up on video drunk and stupid anyway. Then Manziel reportedly lied about the video in a pathetic effort to get out of trouble.

So I get benching Manziel last week to send a message to him and the other players — no one is bigger than this team. And if starter Josh McCown, who has played quite well this year, had stayed healthy, I could see continuing to keep Manziel on the bench because McCown has proven to be a better player anyway.

But McCown got hurt, and the math changed. Now Pettine had two choices:

1. Start Johnny Manziel, who, after all, was a first-round pick last year, did win the Heisman Trophy and is the only remotely intriguing story left on this horror-show of a team. The Browns have yet to find out if Manziel can play professional football, which is pretty inexcusable almost two years after he was drafted. Also, we can point out, the Browns were playing Cincinnati at home, a rivalry game, an emotional game, and their only chance of even making it interesting was to let Manziel run around, Texas A&M style, and maybe make a few plays downfield like he did last time against the Bengals.

2. Start Austin Davis and lose 37-3.

Of course, Pettine chose Option 2 because — I can only assume — it’s personal between him and Manziel. Pettine knows he only has four more games left as an NFL coach (assuming he doesn’t get fired before the end of the season) and at this point, I think he’d rather prove his point to Manziel than anything else. If last week’s decision was to let everyone to know that no player is bigger than the team, this week’s decision was to let everyone know that no team is bigger than the coach.

So, yes, it was depressing from the start of Sunday’s game. But Drew Carey beat me to the punch. He’s long moved past depression. He’s moved past shock and anger and even acceptance. His feelings about the Browns now: “Apathy.”

“Listen, you don’t want those Browns to be part of your mental state,” Carey says. “You know, the whole ‘Cleveland is bad, the Browns are bad, Cleveland bad, I’m bad because I’m from Cleveland,’ dance. You don’t want that thing to be part of your brain. There are so many good things in Cleveland. Concentrate on the Museum (of Art) — it’s one of the best in the world. Concentrate on the Cleveland Clinic and all the great things they’re doing.

“Go to the orchestra. It’s the best orchestra in the whole wide world, arguably, and it’s right in our city. Take the money you were going to spend on the Browns, take your kids, and go to the (bleeping) orchestra. Then you can have pride in your city. That’s the thing to be proud of. Don’t wear your (bleeping) Browns shirt like an idiot.”

Carey, in addition to hosting “The Price is Right” and doing stand-up comedy and work on the side as a photographer, is part-owner of the Seattle Sounders FC of Major League Soccer. He brings this up to make a point: With the Sounders, he and the other owners want to make sure the fans have a powerful say. Every four years, the season-ticket holders have the right to vote out the general manager if they don’t approve of the job he’s doing. The team meets with fans’ representatives four times a year to talk about any issues they might have, on the field and off. There’s constant accountability, and he says the fans feel like part of the team and fully understand how hard everyone is trying to win.

He doesn’t see any of that with the Browns.

“Now I’m part of a professional sports organization, I see what’s going on,” he says. “I see that some people are in it for the money. They really don’t care. In the NFL, it’s a license for printing money. It’s like owning a money machine. You don’t really have to try. You can claim you’re trying, but the proof is what’s happening on the field. Look at this team. Just look at them. I can PROMISE you, we wouldn’t stand for this in Seattle, no way.”

It’s hard to argue. On the Bengals’ first touchdown — an embarrassingly easy three-yard quarterback sneak by Cincinnati’s Andy Dalton — the Browns’ defense was so confused that Browns safety Tashaun Gipson was literally looking the other way from the ball. On the Bengals’ second touchdown, the Browns either forgot to cover Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green or just decided he wasn’t much of a threat. Confusion has been a defensive theme for the Browns all year long* and after watching them play for 12 games I can tell you: I don’t know what they’re doing either.

* Fun fact: The Browns’ defense has now given up 24 or more points in 10 straight games, one away from the NFL record.

On offense, if anything, it was worse. There’s no point in evaluating Austin Davis because he’s simply a placeholder until Mike Pettine finds it in his heart to forgive Johnny Manziel — though the Fox announcers, including Matt Millen (more on him in a minute), heaped praise on Davis like he was Tom Brady in orange — but it is worth continuing the deepening saga of offensive lineman Cameron Erving.

You might recall that last week, Erving — the 19th overall pick in the 2015 draft — made what some have called the worst attempt at a block in NFL history. That happened when Cameron Heyward ran over him on his way to destroying Browns running back Isaiah Crowell. Erving also had a critical hold on a would-be touchdown and numerous other blunders. It was about as bad as an offensive lineman could be.

Erving did not start Sunday but, unfortunately, was pressed into action when Cleveland’s starting guard, Joel Bitonio, went down with injury. Erving was so impossibly terrible — getting run over and faked out on a play-by-play basis — that he got benched in the middle of the game so that Austin Pasztor, an undrafted guard released just this year by the Jacksonville Jaguars could play.

So, let’s see if we got this right.

— The Browns benched this year’s first-round pick Cam Erving so that undrafted and twice-released Austin Pasztor could play at guard.

— The Browns benched one of their two first-round picks from last year, Johnny Manziel nee Football, so that undrafted and thrice-released Austin Davis could start at quarterback.

— The Browns’ 2013 first-round pick, Barkevious Mingo, doesn’t start, of course, though, as of so far, they have not found an undrafted guy on the waiver wire named Austin to replace him.

— The Browns’ 2012 first round picks, Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden, are long gone and not starting for other teams now.

— The Browns’ released 2011 first round pick Phil Taylor because, get this, the Browns were worried that they had TOO MUCH DEPTH on the defensive line. This Browns are second-worst in the NFL against the run, but to be fair they were dead last against the run last year, so you can see the improvement.

You could argue, I suppose, that the Browns are really, really stinky at this whole “drafting” concept. Browns GM Ray Famer, who I can only assume will be fired the same day as Pettine, was also suspended by the NFL for texting Browns coaches during games. If you made this stuff up, nobody would believe you.

Perhaps it’s best to just rely on the words of announcer Matt Millen, who you might remember was the primary architect of the 2000s Detroit Lions that went 31-81 on his watch and then became the NFL’s first and only 0-16 team the year after he was canned.

“There’s some pride going on down there,” he said when the Browns limited the Bengals to the final field goal that made the score 37-3.

Pride. Sure. Yes, maybe Drew Carey is right. This is what he left me with a couple of days before Sunday’s game:

“If I had a bad season on ‘The Price is Right,’ they’re not going to keep me around because they like me,” he said. “If the ratings go south, that’s it, I’m gone. It doesn’t mean they don’t like me or they have something against me. The TV business is brutal. Same thing with the stand-up comedy business. Everyting I’ve been doing professionally since I’ve been an adult, ever since I’ve been a bus boy, is about results. You get results or you get fired, and you’re not asked back. That’s how it should be.

“But they can get away with this (bleep) in Cleveland. It’s like that guy, what’s the guy’s name, the one that never won in Detroit?”

“Matt Millen?” I asked.

“Yeah. Millen. You had to wonder, ‘Why arent’ they firing this guy?’ I’m not trying to trash him, I’m sure he’s a fine guy. I’m sure the guys in the Browns front office are fine guys. But the job is to do everything you can to win. And if you can’t win, get out. I don’t have time for losers. I don’t think anyone should have time for losers. Go see the orchestra.”

bad product. by design or incredibly bad luck?

See ya next year Drew.

Yup, everyone hits bottom and says they are done eventually yet we all come back.

It's hard to chalk up a bad 15 years to luck... and I'd say it's "lack of design" more than a "bad design"....

But from the article, Drew seems to feel like a lot of Browns fans.. hard to blame him.

by DC above:

"lack of design"

That's It!!

Certainly under Lerner.

I don't blame him one bit, and I hope he sticks to what he's saying.

Mayfield Heights restaurant stops airing Browns games, sends letter to Haslams

MAYFIELD HEIGHTS, Ohio– A restaurant in Mayfield Heights is sending a message to Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam.

Operating partner of Play Arcade and Kitchen Darryl Margolis posted a letter on Facebook Sunday after the Browns 37-3 loss to the Bengals.

“We have not met, but you know me. I am every Browns fan. I personally have been one for 42 years. I would hope that prior to purchasing my beloved team you did some research, so I will not bore you with the ups and (mostly) downs of what that entails,” Margolis wrote.

He said he will stop showing Browns games, ban employees from wearing Browns gear and no longer offer “game day” specials, acknowledging it will cost him money.

The distraught fan criticized the team’s call to pass out orange towels during Cleveland’s Monday Night Football appearance and points out head coach Mike Pettine’s poor clock management.

“I’ve shed tears for my team on numerous occasion. But I refuse to shed them for a dysfunctional organization. PLEASE do what you have to do,” Margolis said.


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http://fox8.com/2015/12/07/mayfield-heig...ter-to-haslams/

We're all disappointed they suck, they mailed it in last week and dumpster fire is the quote we hear from the glass half full guys. So understanding fan frustrations is very easy to do.

An open letter to the Haslems though, this just comes off as whiney.

More irrelevant:

The Browns or what Drew Carey says?

I think Drew made some very valid points.

Me too. I liked the sandwich shop analogy.

It's already happening. Fans are leaving in droves. They'll probably come back if the team ever starts winning again, but I bet a lot won't.

I wish I could quit, but I can't. It is a part of me that I unfortunately made a part of my son as well. I apologized to him after the last game and told him if he wanted to pick another team I wouldn't be mad (unless it was the Steelers, Ravens, or Bengals, lol).

I tried to convince my oldest, but they've sucked his whole life so he just roots for them if we go to a game.

My 6 year old has more interest, and I just let him go with it. He confuses the Buckeyes and Browns and when the Browns lose he's always bummed... but they always win... lol

Same here. The guilt I feel for bringing up my son a Browns fan is gut wrenching. From the time he was 2yo in his Browns jammies sitting on my lap in 1999 watching the Browns get thrashed by the Steelers in their first game back. Now he's an adult and has seen nothing but heartache with this team. He's got Tim Couch, Jamir Miller, Brady Quinn, Peyton Hillis and Joe Thomas jerseys. I want to puke.

Screw Drew !!!

Drew ohhh DREW psssttt Lean in here, I need to tell you something. Are you listening? You say " Don’t wear your (bleeping) Browns shirt like an idiot.” I say don't open your mouth and prove you are an idiot. Cleveland has been supporting your no talent, not funny, ugly, ass for years because your from Cleveland. The product you put out for the public to see makes the Browns look like ten time Super Bowl winners. So maybe you should move out of that glass house before you start throwing stones, you hack, before everbody stops supporting you. Man talking about looking like an idiot. That would be walking around wearing this garbage.

I don't get the non support stuff. To me it's like if you had a kid who went to prison. You wouldn't be happy about it, you wouldn't be proud of them, but I don't see how you couldn't still love them.

It's easy to see why some people get married 5 or 6 times.

The next time I think Drew Carey's comments are relevant will be the first time. I couldn't care less if he is or isn't a Browns fan.

The whole concept of an "open letter" always seems to be to draw attention to the sender... "Hey, look what I did."

If you want to send a letter, send a letter... why call it an open letter and put it out on the internet?

You can love them and not feed into their bullcrap, you know.
You can love them and not enable the foolishness they perpetuate.




I think that they are relevant because of whom he is viewed as - one of the most popular and well-known personalities that is also a face of Cleveland, who has spent his entire life & career as a staunch supporter of all things Cleveland. So, for *that* guy to be saying this in a public & national forum... .yeah, I think it is quite relevant.


Anway, I'm way ahead of him on this..... I ceased to spend money on this team a long time ago. I've gone to a game here & there, but it most certainly is not a regular thing, and unless they get their act together, it never will be a regular thing - they just aren't worth the headache. I can support them and follow them without wasting my time giving them my undivided attention.

Not a fan of Carey, though I will NOT insult the man, the veteran, the significant philanthropist for the Ohio Library Foundation, Cleveland Public Library, Jewish charities (though coming from your Anti-Semitic views you have put forth before, this is probably what drives your venom), Livestrong and other anti-cancer foundations, as a person nor as a human being in general... simply for not sharing my personal opinion.

Became a Dad for the second time yesterday. (All going well btw).

Like many of you, the firstborn had some Browns onesies, and other associated paraphernalia. My Facebook profile pic for a while was him in my replica Browns helmet. Gave some thought as to my second son. I won't force them down any path but it's likely they'll follow Dad as many of you have done. Losing and adversity builds strength and character. It makes the winning that much sweeter when it happens, Dawgs. Our winning times will be like the worlds biggest orgasm.

Right ... but you probably wouldn't pop in every single weekend to see them, nor pay $20 for prison parking either.

I'm just not buying any officially licensed Browns gear until they start winning. Just like me never buying a snickers bar again, all I can really do is take what little money I spend out of their pocket.

What's wrong with Snickers?

They pissed me off when they did the 'not going anywhere for a while' commercial in the empty Muni stadium after the Browns moved.

HAHAHAHA!!! That's hilarious.

LOL how did I miss that?

They never played it in Cleveland.

Drew can go and can take his 50 or so fans with him.

I understand the sentiment and like many others I have decided to not buy anything browns until the product is more deserving.

Fans who want to leave, I get that too... what I don't get is the need to stand on a soapbox and proclaim to the world... "look at me I am a suffering fan and I am walking away"

Your pain and disappointment is no greater than mine or anyone else's, your need to bring yourself into the spotlight begs of an extra 15 minutes.


Pffft go and be gone...and don't come to me for playoff tickets....

Does this mean Elizabeth Taylor was a Browns fan?

Ummm... he was being interviewed. I don't think he sought out the soapbox, it came to him and asked the questions which prompted the answers. No different than the rest of your response above, he simply answered the question truthfully with how he feels.... what's there to be upset at him about??

whats sad is i have probably spent twice as much on shirts, jackets, and such this year as i have the past 3 years combined. The old stuff was just falling apart. Everyone who knows me knows I am a Browns fan at the places I go because I am ALWAYS wearing something with the Browns logo on it. It's just who I am. Even if I am pissed at the team and can't stomach watching the games lately I always wear my gear no matter what.

Who cares about Drew Carey? He was relevent years ago. Not now. Just because he is the host on the price is right, I should suddenly care? Pfft. Not happening.

I just got the new Salute To Service Browns Camo hat, and I'm ganna get the Olive Green hoodie too..

Whether or not I buy stuff doesn't change anything, except how I feel..

If I stopped watching "until they start winning" then I would feel like a bandwagon fan..

I will sit through the suck, complain about it, then sit through some more..

Eventually it won't suck.. and I'll be ready and waiting..

Oh its not just him..... I have no desire to have anyone tell me they are fed up and leaving... Understand; I get the sentiment, but I really don't care if a person wants to leave... just go and come back when you want.

Leaving, staying, lurking, it's of no concern to me and when a person comes back then that is of no real concern to me.

I know it sounds hard ass and I don't mean it to, its only I am tired of reading... 'hey I have been a fan for 100 years and I have seen it all blah, blah, blah.... and I am leaving for good." Ok... fine... I understand, just go.

My son has been a fan for 6 years, me longer than i care to mention...but that does not make me a better fan than him.. length of fandom... pfft who gives a rat's..

BTW.. all these folks saying they are gone for good... nah....we all know rooting for Cleveland is a addictive, it's in our blood... no its in our DNA. We will always be fans... some just are ... er... inactive...

There will be a threshold where those who have left will return ... and you know what... I don't want to here about it.

there are many who also say it in a moment of anger and frustrations.... and I get that and probably have more patience with those, Hell I am guilty of it myself.

its just those premeditated, thump one's chest, look at me things that get to me and that's how it came across ... idk I guess Carey just struck a nerve.

I think everyone has the right to vent their frustration. When you care as much and have been as loyal as Browns fans have, I feel they've earned the right to vent.

now it's fixed.