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No pink Daiquiri the guy takes his straight up. I can sort of believe what he says. DB Donte Whitner:
On the Browns’ season:
“It is going terrible. It has been very tough. From losing the games the way we lose them – San Diego, field goal; Denver, not being able to get a couple yards to get a field goal; the Monday night game; throwing an interception against the Raiders to come back and try to go to overtime – it has been a tough season. We are learning how to handle this adversity. It is tough right now. We are going to see who is really with us, who are not front runners, who is going to finish the season and give great effort as if we are fighting for a playoff spot. That is what you look for in these games. These last four games are very important to us.”
On ranking the Browns secondary today:
“I don’t know. Somewhere around the middle based on injuries, and it is based on a number of different aspects of what we didn’t do, what we could do better. I would say somewhere in the middle. I would say that our confidence is still high. We still have the same guys in that room. It didn’t go the way we wanted it to go.”
On if the Browns defense is too complex:
“No, I think that is BS. It is the same defense we have been running for two years now. Honestly, if I could sit here and show you guys cut-ups from things that we look at in practice and running a certain defense against a certain play and doing it perfectly in practice and getting in the game and totally just doing something that you didn’t practice to do, that happens. Maybe it is because I have been playing for 10 years. I don’t think it is too complex. I think you would have to ask each individual guy. As far as what I think and what I know, I don’t think it is too complex.”
On main causes for the Browns’ defensive struggles:
“I would probably say we just have some guys that don’t do what they are supposed to do as consistent as they are supposed to do it. That is the honest to God truth. Even sometimes you can tell some guys this play is coming, somehow they still see some other type of play out there. That does happen. I don’t know what else to say about that. Sometimes guys do what they are supposed to do. Sometimes they don’t. When you tend to not do what you are supposed to do, that is when you tend to get beat, that is when you tend to give up big plays and that is when you tend to lose football games, and that is why we are 2-10.”
On if it is only younger Browns players making those mistakes:
“I didn’t say any guys. Everybody makes mistakes but how consistently do you make mistakes or do you continue to make the same mistakes. If you continue to make the same mistakes there are three reasons: you either don’t know, don’t care or you don’t want to play football. We have to figure that out. These four games right here is where we figure it out. You figure out who are the front runners and who really cares and who really loves the game of football and who really wants to play the game of football.”
On how much the lack of pass rush affects the secondary:
“It always affects you as a defensive player, especially as a defensive back because pressure and coverage go hand-in-hand. Sometimes we can cover it up a little better and allow those guys to get there. Sometimes we need pressure right now with some of the coverages that we play. Anybody around the National Football League will tell you that we play a lot of man coverage. We rely on that pressure getting there, primarily from four or five guys. If you don’t get that, it makes it hard. I am not going to point any fingers. I am not going to call anybody out. We can do a better job of covering to help those guys get there on the defensive line and maybe we can get a little more pressure. All of these things add up to being 2-10.When we fix that we will be better.” Link a dink
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...a4-5d6b34237975
Its got to be something...practice ok but game day execution totally missing. Coaching? Got to make guys better not worse. We know we simplified things can't be too complicated. Do these guys have a fear of making a mistake so they hesitate? They got to be comfortable when they play. I always told my guys, practice is over. Either you got it or you don't - No thinking - time to play the game have fun and react!
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what he's saying is true, about pressure and secondary.
there are very few teams able to make up for a lackluster front 7. but even those teams have a average to above average play at those spots.
man coverage, you HAVE to have pressure from the front 7, or it doesn't matter who's playing in the secondary, they are gonna get destroyed.
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Someone should have asked him why he can't tackle properly. I know it's much more efficient to use the guy's momentum to take him down, but when we tackle like that, which we're wont to do, they just carry us for another 2-3 yards. This makes such a major difference on first and second down. Honestly, I think if we began tackling better we'd win a lot more of our games.
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j/c:
Continuity gives Whitner a better chance at employment in Cleveland. Of course he wants people to stay. A new coach, FO, or both mean he could be cut. He's not their guy.
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He talks as if he is not part of the problem,at least that is how I took him. Saying "some guys" kind of calls out people, maybe we don't know who, but believe me the guys he is talking about know it's them, and that can cause a rift in the locker room.
Whitner is a good player,but he has faults, just as others do. IMO, he is pointing fingers. I don't like it.
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If the offense could put up more points it wouldn't hurt so bad.
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Someone should have asked him why he can't tackle properly. I know it's much more efficient to use the guy's momentum to take him down, but when we tackle like that, which we're wont to do, they just carry us for another 2-3 yards. This makes such a major difference on first and second down. Honestly, I think if we began tackling better we'd win a lot more of our games. This is pure 100% speculation but maybe they are afraid of getting dumped in to the concussion protocol every time they get a little dinged up which is more likely to happen when you really stick a guy like you should. For some reason they pass the admission in to the protocol out like the leftover candy towards the end of rick or treating. I feel like if Joe said a bad word in front of Mama Haden and she slapped him silly for it, they'd put him in the concussion protocol...
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With Joe hayden being hurt most of the year it really hurt the defense a lot. Even when he was playing he was basically playing hurt. Man gilbert being rotten and useless really hurt this team bad.
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Continuity gives Whitner a better chance at employment in Cleveland. Of course he wants people to stay. A new coach, FO, or both mean he could be cut. He's not their guy.
Winner  New regime next year means Whitner most likely gets cut for younger talent and would save the team about 4M+ in cap space.
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Someone should have asked him why he can't tackle properly. I know it's much more efficient to use the guy's momentum to take him down, but when we tackle like that, which we're wont to do, they just carry us for another 2-3 yards. This makes such a major difference on first and second down. Honestly, I think if we began tackling better we'd win a lot more of our games. This is pure 100% speculation but maybe they are afraid of getting dumped in to the concussion protocol every time they get a little dinged up which is more likely to happen when you really stick a guy like you should. For some reason they pass the admission in to the protocol out like the leftover candy towards the end of rick or treating. Hahaha I can see it. But I really think there is just a heavy emphasis on this type of tackling, getting a sure tackle, over driving your feet and moving your guy backwards. Either that or they're lazy imo
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“I would probably say we just have some guys that don’t do what they are supposed to do as consistent as they are supposed to do it. That is the honest to God truth. Even sometimes you can tell some guys this play is coming, somehow they still see some other type of play out there. That does happen. I don’t know what else to say about that. Sometimes guys do what they are supposed to do. Sometimes they don’t. When you tend to not do what you are supposed to do, that is when you tend to get beat, that is when you tend to give up big plays and that is when you tend to lose football games, and that is why we are 2-10.” Very simply stated, we have dumb players! Mingo dumb, Gilbert dumber.
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"We are going to see who is really with us, who are not front runners"- ROFLMAO. You cannot consider any browns fan as front runners in the last 18 years. Sorry I loved watching him play when he was at SF, and was considered as Hitner, but now he is part of the problem because he plays like wifner. He may be a good coach some day, but he is out of touch with this fan base.
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"We are going to see who is really with us, who are not front runners"- ROFLMAO. You cannot consider any browns fan as front runners in the last 18 years. Sorry I loved watching him play when he was at SF, and was considered as Hitner, but now he is part of the problem because he plays like wifner. He may be a good coach some day, but he is out of touch with this fan base. I believe he is referencing the players, not the fans.
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"We are going to see who is really with us, who are not front runners"- ROFLMAO. You cannot consider any browns fan as front runners in the last 18 years. Sorry I loved watching him play when he was at SF, and was considered as Hitner, but now he is part of the problem because he plays like wifner. He may be a good coach some day, but he is out of touch with this fan base.
I personally like Whittner we are begging for leaders and he is one. He wants to be here. He wants to get a championship caliber team here. I thought he would get a little more praise then what has come from this article I posted.
Oh and thanks for catching that device 
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"We are going to see who is really with us, who are not front runners"- ROFLMAO. You cannot consider any browns fan as front runners in the last 18 years. Sorry I loved watching him play when he was at SF, and was considered as Hitner, but now he is part of the problem because he plays like wifner. He may be a good coach some day, but he is out of touch with this fan base.
I personally like Whittner we are begging for leaders and he is one. He wants to be here
He wants to get a championship caliber team here. I thought he would get a little more praise then what has come from this article I posted.
Oh and thanks for catching that device
jmho I know he wants to be here he is just about 5 years late and past his prime. Who would not want to be here if they are paying you 8.5 million. I would be saying all the right words for for that kind of money as well.
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Very simply stated, we have dumb players! Mingo dumb, Gilbert dumber. Why single those guys out, the linebackers are never filling the hole. I've seen Gipson screw up way too many times this year.
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Very simply stated, we have dumb players! Mingo dumb, Gilbert dumber. Why single those guys out Because their's only so much space on the internet?
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Seriously, when you have the highest paid Defense in the league and you are the statistically worst team in the league, people need to be held accountable. It is a paid for performance business and there a lot of Browns players and staff that owe the organization money.
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Whit had one bad game this year. Otherwise, he has been our most consistent defensive player. He is usually the one guy who is in the right position. He plays tough. He gets a lot of tackles. He plays w/passion.
I think a lot of people on this board hate him because they liked Ward so much. All I know is that I would take a lot more guys like Whit than guys like Haden.
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"We are going to see who is really with us, who are not front runners"- ROFLMAO. You cannot consider any browns fan as front runners in the last 18 years. Sorry I loved watching him play when he was at SF, and was considered as Hitner, but now he is part of the problem because he plays like wifner. He may be a good coach some day, but he is out of touch with this fan base.
I personally like Whittner we are begging for leaders and he is one. He wants to be here. He wants to get a championship caliber team here. I thought he would get a little more praise then what has come from this article I posted.
Oh and thanks for catching that device
jmho I agree. I hope we keep him.
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Davey...highest paid means nothing about talent. All that means is that. Whittner, Dansby, Trent Williams, Des Bryant, Kruger - all starters gotten via FA. The fact that we haven't been able to hit on our drafted investments more especially earlier ones for D has not helped.
All those mentioned above as FA I think are playing well. But FA means over paid pure and simple! Add to the fact the one Home grown Cover Corner who got their high 2nd contract has been out of action for most the season.
Back to Donte...I liked the way they saluted him as a leader and partially responsible for getting the Defense to play on a level they haven't all season. They brought him in for the Victory Formation as a Salute to his leadership
Just what I was talking about! Good for him.
Oh and he actually LOVES the Browns not paid to love the Browns.
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