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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070523&sportCat=nbaYou can't even fathom the pain. Everyone believes Celtics fans get a free pass with this stuff because we won 16 titles in 30 years. Actually, it's the opposite. Long-suffering fans of perennial losers don't know what they're missing. After all, how would they know? You can't miss steak if you've never eaten steak, right?Poor Simmons, poor Celtics, poor fans of Boston, my heart really breaks for you.  In my lifetime as a Cleveland sportsfan from 1969 when I was @ six and started attending Indians and Browns games, until now, how many championship teams have I enjoyed? Of course you all know, but I'll tell ya anyhow - ZERO! Someone the same age who grew up as a fan of the Boston teams has celebrated 10 championships among the RedSox, Patriots and Celtics in that same period of time, and that's not even factoring in a couple of Stanley Cup championships by the Bruins. This may sound like sour grapes, but really I have no problem with giving props to good organizations who can build championship franchises. It's the whiney sense of entitlement among the fans and certain media members that makes me gag. So you didn't win the Greg Oden sweepstakes even though you probably tanked a few games just to put yourself in position. Suck it up and move forward, other teams do it all the time. And Bill Simmons, may you not eat steak for a long, long time.  Ok, so maybe it is sour grapes a little bit, but hey, I've been a Cleveland sports fan all my life and needed to blow off a little steam.
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Can we deport all of them??? 
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I don't have any love lost for the Celtics, but they and Memphis do have a beef.
I think the NBA draft has as much chance of being rigged as do the late season games.
All in all, I wouldn't mind if the NBA just went away.
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They need to make the lottery smaller.... like maybe 5 or 6 teams or something
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Boston drafted
7th in 2006
18th in 2005
15th in 2004
16th and 20th in 2003...
Marcus Banks (now with Phoenix)
Kendrik Perkins (4.5 points, 5.2 rebounds per game)
Al Jefferson (16.0 points, 11.0 rebounds per game)
Gerald Green (10.4 points, 2.6 rebounds per game)
Sebastian Telfair (not in the nba)
So the Celtics have had 5 top 20 picks in the last 4 years and out of it they get 30.9 points and 18.8 rebounds per game... with more than half of it coming from one guy....
Looks to me like the Celtics should be more concerned with HOW they draft than where they draft...
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Very good point DC 
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Actually, Boston and Memphis have nothing to complain about, IMO. They tanked, along with a few other teams, at the end of the season to get a better chance at getting Oden or Durant. I really thought it was poetic justice, especially for Boston who made it look as though a few college teams could have beat them at the end of the season when they rested Pierce and a few others...
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How much Celtic basketball do you watch cause it sounds like not that much.
The Boston Celtics are my squad. I have three teams i love, the Browns, Celtics, and Huskies. Celtics haven't drafted that bad. Al Jefferson is very good and only like 21. Gerald Green is probably around 21 as well and he's beginning to show signs of improvement, to the point that he'll start next year. Rajon Rondo, our PG, is going to be a very good player also. With Paul Pierce and a decent draft pick I expect .500. The team's young and improving.
Unfortunately with this stupid lottery were stuck having to take a smaller guy who'll certainely produce or a second tier big-man. Could really have used Oden or Durant, every celtic fan was banking on it. It's honestly miserable.
I have no idea whom i want the celtics to draft now, esp since Hibbert is going back to school. Prob some SF or something. I'm honestly depressed
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If they tanked, the league should suspend picks.
The point is how do you prove that....the Cavs could have when we got LeBron.
A draft lottery is a reaction to a failed league that probably has many fixed games in the course of a season..
But that said.....last should get the first pick. It does in every other sports league. The weighted system still gives teams the incentive to cheat or throw games, does it not??
The fact they have a lottery is proof the NBA knows teams throw games and the league is a joke.
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Like I said before ... they should relagate the bottom three teams to the NBADL at the end of each season, and bring the top three from that league up. Teams won't tank as hard if they know they'll lose a ton of TV revenue for a year.
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Oh, they most definitely did. I was living in Manhattan at the time, and my bartender always used to ask me why I wasted my time watching...always said 'just want to make sure they're not playing too hard.' Not that it mattered...with Ricky Davis as our go to guy and Smush Parker running the point...the tanking had already been done on paper.
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Oh, they most definitely did. I was living in Manhattan at the time, and my bartender always used to ask me why I wasted my time watching...always said 'just want to make sure they're not playing too hard.' Not that it mattered...with Ricky Davis as our go to guy and Smush Parker running the point...the tanking had already been done on paper.
i remember almost flipping my lid when we worked so hard to tank games, only to have denver tie with us for the worst record
i thought, with the usual cleveland luck, we had no shot whatsoever...
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Yea, C's fans can be pissed. I'm a C's fan. I'm not happy.
But they didnt tank games. Sure they rested good players, but is resting Ryan Gomes in the 4th quarter of a game any different than us giving Luke McCown 2 or 3 starts at the end of his year with us?
Theyre looking at the younger talent gauging to see what the guys that dont get many minutes can do. I mean we found out Gerald Green is a stud. And to say they were tanking games? I dunno, if you look at their scores, with the exception of maybe 4-5 games, most games were within 10 points.
C's are a big man away, now that we dont get Oden and Hibbert just decided to go back to school, we're not lookin to be that much better next year, cuz we're still a big man away.
Hopefully we trade our pick and Wally to someone who is willing to part with a big man. or take Spencer Hawes from Washington, otherwise, its gonna be another long year in Boston.
Have sour grapes all you want, or have no pity, but Cavs fans, youda been cryin foul if you lost the lottery for Bron.
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Yea, C's fans can be pissed. I'm a C's fan. I'm not happy.
But they didnt tank games. Sure they rested good players, but is resting Ryan Gomes in the 4th quarter of a game any different than us giving Luke McCown 2 or 3 starts at the end of his year with us?
When your own players are saying you're tanking games, you're tanking them. I don't see how this is even an argument? Gomes wasn't the only one being "rested" in the 4th quarter on a regular basis.
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C's are a big man away, now that we dont get Oden and Hibbert just decided to go back to school, we're not lookin to be that much better next year, cuz we're still a big man away.
Hopefully we trade our pick and Wally to someone who is willing to part with a big man. or take Spencer Hawes from Washington, otherwise, its gonna be another long year in Boston.
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Have sour grapes all you want, or have no pity, but Cavs fans, youda been cryin foul if you lost the lottery for Bron.
D'Wayne Wade or Carmelo wouldn't have been too bad of a consolation prize.
I guess why I don't see why the Celtics fan base has such a problem with it? It's called a lottery for a reason......tanking games doesn't guaruntee the pick and that's EXACTLY why the lottery is in place. Had Cleveland missed out on LeBron would it have sucked? Obviously but at the same time the draft was still loaded with players (Wade, Melo, Bosh, etc.)
Besides, the Blazers and Sonics deserved a proverbial break. Seattle is fighting to keep the team and Portland doesn't have another sports franchise. It's not like the Suns got the #1 pick......both teams needed help as well.
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The problem becomes that a lot of teams were tanking. The Celtics, Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Bucks and Sonics all "rested" key players down the stretch. I don't have a problem with teams that are out of it having players who will need surgery having the surgery at the end of the season and getting a start on their rehab. However, when you don't play your starters in the 4th quarter of a close game, or when Paul Pierce misses entire games when healthy, it went too far. The Grizz and, especially, the Celts were the most guilty, IMO.
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Yes, and no. Don't get me wrong, that team was put together with an eye on LeBron. However, I was at that final game of the season where they ended up winning their 17th game of the season, when a loss would have almost doubled their chances of getting LeBron. I was upset with the win, because LBJ was clearly the #1 pick, and while I wouldn't have been upset with getting a Carmelo, the #1 pick was the pick to have. That was the night where they introduced the new logo and colors and I remember fans booing after each basket or good play. I respected the Cavs when they won that game, even if I was mad. The Celts didn't even play with giving themselves a chance to win down the stretch with the lineups they were throwing out there.
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Looks to me like the Celtics should be more concerned with HOW they draft than where they draft...
And when they do draft a potentially great player (*cough* Brandon Roy), they might want to hang on to him.
Sorry C's fans......I just have to get my Boston needling in.....I hear so much "Sawx and Yanks" that I have absolutely no stomach for any whining out of their fans. 
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i don't really have a problem with boston fans, it's the boston media and the national media...
they downplay the nba because all the best teams are in small markets...
they're so mad that these 2 potential superstars are going to the northwest...
and it's so blatent... and it's very wrong...
david stern could care less... i don't think the nba cares either...
it's just these national media outlets...
i mean, how much did we have to hear about this a-rod slide? it wasn't even that bad...
if that happened in a tribe/white sox game, or a an oakland/angels game, it gets no mention whatsoever...
but these national media people want these superstars so they can blow everything up... there are no superstars on the celtics (pierce is no superstar) and there are no superstars on the knicks, so therefore, there is no crap story that they can run day and night... and they hate that...
i like where both of these players went, i agree with the above poster... you have a great fanbase in portland, because it's all they have, and a franchise player to build around, despite being somewhat quiet, greg oden is very very marketble...
and with durant, a city that needs help quick, you get the player that can help you out right away....
this kid is going to be an absolute scoring machine... i think he's going to be a better version of carmelo anthony... he has more of a killer instinct...
and maybe he can keep seattle from losing their team, much like lebron somewhat saving the cavs... i think it may be too late for the sonics, but if he can get the sonics back into the playoffs... you would have to imagine a potential buyer would come in to build a new arena and keep them in seattle... which is a pretty good sportstown...
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Brandon Roy went before our pick last year. Randy Foye is the name. And the Celtics don't draft that bad, Telfair sucked and was a terrible choice. I was furious. But beyond that, Ainge is just really bad with FA and trades (we got Szerbiack for Ricky Davis (Ricky isn't that bad)).
So far the Celts got 2 players whom are studs and 2 potential studs. We just really needed Oden
As for KingSteve, i think Gerald has potential but I don't think he will be that good. His defense sucks and his offense is less consistant than Delonte's. I'm hoping for him to start next year but Rondo, Pierce, and Jefferson are def better players.
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Ah, yes......but didn't they then trade Foye for Roy? Or am I completely confused on this?
Also, I think Pierce and Jefferson are players but once teams figure out that Rondo can't hit a 20 footer to save his life, they'll start to really slow him down. It happened at UK and I believe it will eventually catch up with him again at the NBA level. He's got lightening quicks but he's not a great passer and he's a so-so shooter. He's a great player to have on a Pheonix like team but Jefferson and Pierce are more half court players.
Green is a high flyer but he's no more then an athlete at this point. He has the skills to be a 16 and 6 guy but he needs to play some D as you said.
Personally, I really like Tony Allen. He's not going to be a star but he's the type of all around player you need to win games. He's also showed marked improvement each season.
Boston has some good young talent but I personally think they need to trade Pierce to a contender. They have plenty of wing players. I'm not discounting Pierce's skills but if Phili can trade A.I., Boston can surely part with Pierce and get some good compensation. Pierce is going to be 30 and I'm wondering how effective he'll be 2,3 maybe even 4 years from now when these young guys really start to take over? What not get value for him now? The Suns are going to be over the luxury tax......maybe Pierce and expiring contract for Shawn Marion? Who knows.....it could be many things. I just think at this point, you really need to consider it when his value is still high. If you were getting Oden it was a no brainer to keep him but who knows when that reliable big will surface? Gomes is a very good perimeter player and could develop in to a MUCH younger version of Pierce very soon. JMHO.
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Consider losing Oden to be the yang to the yin or you getting Larry Bird through a loophole considerably more unfair than the lottery. How's this - the bottom four teams play each other in an elimination tournament...the losing team with the narrowest margin of victory goes third. 
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Nas, we're just sad that we're about 1 big man from being a playoff team, but our best shot(s now that hibbert went back to school) just went to the Northwest.
To the guy that said about the Media, that is the big problem. I dislike so much of the media almost, they just make things such a problem for ratings or whatever else they get.
But with the Lottery, its more just disappointment than it is having a problem with the lottery working out like it did. At least for me, i cant really speak for the rest of C's fans. I dont much care for the lottery at all anyway. the system stinks. I think they should either just get 1 ball per team and go for top 14, or just do it like the NFL.
One or the other. oh well. I dunno what we're gonna do, we need bigs.
also Nas, Theo Ratliff has an expiring contract that could go into that. But, itd have to be a low number. i think Kendrick Perkins would be a good candidate, except he doesnt have an expiring contract, he has a low low contract for the next 4 years.
Danny Ainge has been terrible though. I mean Brian Scalabrine getting 3 mil a year? really? really danny ainge?
I like the young talent he's gotten, but Telfair? Im fairly certain that we thought we were gonna get AI when the time came to get Telfair. Which was dumb. Ainge needs to go.
Boston needs bigs. Spncer Hawes or trade it away!
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Yes, and no. Don't get me wrong, that team was put together with an eye on LeBron. However, I was at that final game of the season where they ended up winning their 17th game of the season, when a loss would have almost doubled their chances of getting LeBron. I was upset with the win, because LBJ was clearly the #1 pick, and while I wouldn't have been upset with getting a Carmelo, the #1 pick was the pick to have. That was the night where they introduced the new logo and colors and I remember fans booing after each basket or good play. I respected the Cavs when they won that game, even if I was mad. The Celts didn't even play with giving themselves a chance to win down the stretch with the lineups they were throwing out there.
yea you have to remember that team started 2-1. when they blew out the lakers for the home opener, my buddy thought they might be too good to get Lebron. I held out hope they wouldn't, and soon after that they went in the tank. getting rid of lucas in mid saeson was a great move by paxson. when keith samrt took over I knew we had a good shot at lebron. I mean lucas was terrible, but smart didn't have a clue. we woudl get beat by 20-30 pts a game it seemed when he took over.
that season was just so entertaining on so many levels when you consider we only won 17 games. every day in the plain dealer it seemed there was an article about lebron. weather it be about hummer gate, the jersey's, the cavs getting fined 150k for having lebron at their practice, etc...It all culminated in that night at the lottery. I really thought we had no chance at all. I thought miami would get the 1st pick. I was getting ready for the cavs to take tj ford. I thought we would miss out like the celtics did yesterday and get the 4th pick.then my buddy called me at work to tell me we got the 1st pick, and I yelled at the top of my voice "we got him, we got him.""" nobody knew what I was talking about, but it was so damn exciting to learn we were going to get lebron.
I will also never forget that one poster on cavstalk. I believe his user name was datsisness or something close to that. in 03 he was positive Darko was going to be better than lebron. I think he said since he played against lebron in high school, he knew that lebron wasn't that good as everyone was making him out to be. I know I argued with him about that, and thought he was crazy, but he was insistent that darko was going to be better than lebron. I actually miss that board somewhat. my user anme was alpoe if you're wondering.
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I wish your team well...but I gotta tell you...many of us in places other than the Northeast get a bit tired of hearing about the Red Sox and Yankees...the Jets,Jets,Jets and Patriots...and the whole Celtic mystique.
Growing up as a kid in PA I was drowned in Notre Dame football and Celtics' BBall. I was a fan of course since I saw nothing else.
It is great to sometimes see the Yanks and Celtics in a ...er ... rebuilding mode!
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