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the comment section...lol, they went in on pettine. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/143816...ier-quarterbackBEREA -- Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine doesn't consider Russell Wilson of the Seattle Seahawks among the top three or four quarterbacks in the NFL. He does, however, put him in the next group. "Would you put him there with the guys that can transcend their supporting cast? The [Tom] Bradys, whether it's Aaron Rodgers, [Drew] Brees, [Ben] Roethlisberger, the ones that you would consider the two, three, four elite guys? No. But he's certainly played himself into that next tier," Pettine said Wednesday. The Browns travel to Seattle on Sunday to play a team that has been carried by Wilson over the past four weeks. In those four games, Wilson has a passer rating of 145.9, with 16 touchdowns and zero interceptions. "I don't worry about that," said Wilson when asked about Pettine's comments. "I think it comes down to winning games ... that's the only thing I care about." Over the past four games Russell Wilson has a passer rating of 145.9, with 16 touchdowns and no interceptions. AP Photo/Patrick Semansky Wilson's career passer rating is 101.3, and his 44 regular-season wins match Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco as the most to start an NFL career. He's also won a Super Bowl and played in another. "He plays at a high level, he's very productive and they win," Pettine said. "Now a lot of that I think is a function, too, is he's the perfect quarterback for what they do. To me it goes both ways. They've also built it around him." Pettine also was asked to compare Wilson and his own quarterback, Johnny Manziel. "I think the first [thing] is the experience level," Pettine said. "Wilson has been in the league longer and has been in the system longer and just has played more ... I don't know how many starts he has total compared to the five that Johnny has. "You can certainly see the similarities. They've done a nice job up there kind of building the package around him. He's more of a runner than we see in Johnny. I'm talking about called quarterback runs. Do we have some zone read stuff and putting the QB on the move? We do that, but [Wilson's] I think thicker built and can withstand some of the shots in the run game more so than we would want to expose Johnny to. "Johnny will get his rushing yards when the pocket breaks down and he has to get out. That's where Wilson's done a good job as well, when he's been forced to get out of the pocket he's a threat to scramble for the first down. "But I think where his game has really taken off is his eyes are down the field more so now. He's made a lot of big plays with throws on the run."
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I saw this headline and said to my son before even reading it, I bet Pettine was generally very complimentary of Wilson and how good he is, just stopped short of saying he belongs in the Brady/Rodgers group just yet... but the headline makes it look like he's really dissing him... This is nothing but stirring up crap.
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I saw this headline and said to my son before even reading it, I bet Pettine was generally very complimentary of Wilson and how good he is, just stopped short of saying he belongs in the Brady/Rodgers group just yet... but the headline makes it look like he's really dissing him... This is nothing but stirring up crap. About really all there is to say about it...
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Yeah but really you have to be smarter than this. Realistically the only chance you have of competing is hoping these guys underestimate you. I wonder what tier of coach Pettine thinks he is? How hard is it to say something like "for the last month he's probably played as well as or better than any other QB in the league?"
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Would it have killed him to say something like "I'm not in the business of ranking QBs, but if its about winning, he's top tier."?
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Would it have killed him to say something like "I'm not in the business of ranking QBs, but if its about winning, he's top tier."? Everybody already knows nobody in Cleveland is in that business.
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I don't think what Pettine said is that damaging. However, the fact that the comments were then turned back to Wilson for his thoughts on what Pettine said could be perceived by Wilson as controversial.
Wilson may not have even read/been told verbatim what Pettine truly said or the context behind it, but not being coined as a top tier QB could be taken the wrong way.
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You have to also know what the question was and how it was worded. He probably had no other way to answer it then the way he did. Just right away they wish to make it a diss and controversial.
ergo a lot of Bozoism there.
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I am glad it was spun by the media
If there were any doubters on the team that half the Johnny stuff is BS - now that the coach has his compliment turned inside out - they know none of them are immune from the bozos :-)
There was no way the Seahags weren't ready and Wilson plays with a chip already
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As far as - could pet have said something different - sure - we all hate coach speak and it is refreshing when we don't have to hear it
One of the articles I read was referring to Lou Holtz statement of not providing locker room material - he didn't win at this level - so who cares
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Pettine said nothing wrong and Seattle fans way overreacted to it (being a former season ticket holder of the Seahawks, they tend to overreact to everything). He said:
"Would you put him there with the guys that can transcend their supporting cast? The [Tom] Bradys, whether it's Aaron Rodgers, [Drew] Brees, [Ben] Roethlisberger, the ones that you would consider the two, three, four elite guys? No. But he's certainly played himself into that next tier," Pettine said Wednesday."
I think 30 other coaches would say the same exact thing if pressed. Good QB yes, but not at the level of those guys yet. And Petting says the same thing:
"Pettine said that people took the worst interpretation of his comments and that he would need to see Wilson play at a high level for a longer period to bump him up the ladder."
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Pet is a true "I am the smartest guy in the room" type of dumbass. Why even go there when you are gonna play the Seahawks this week. He is a total dumbass. At least Romeo was a homer Simpson loveable dumbass.
News flash Pet, its ok to shut the hell up!! You dont have to feed the media beast on a daily basis.
He would probably bench Wilson for McCown as Wilson doesnt fit what he wants in his QB.
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Would it have killed him to say something like "I'm not in the business of ranking QBs, but if its about winning, he's top tier."? Everybody hates "coach speak" until a coach actually answers a question in a way they don't like, then they wish he had used "coach speak"... What he said is perfectly honest and true, Wilson has been very successful almost from day 1. He has also had a tremendous supporting cast since day 1 and a tremendous defense. He has never had to consistently put mediocre talent on his back and win games like Ben and Brady have.. Could he? Nobody knows because he's never had to try.
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#Browns Mike Pettine quips: "If anyone's interested, I have my QB rankings updated: Everyone's tied for 1st'' Well played, Mike.
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Hahah, that's awesome 
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I'm glad that he did that!! But, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to put a negative slant on that. Next ESPN headline: "Pettine likes every QB in the league except his own"
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What a mess my friend .. If I had the money I would rent a couple of Billboards in the Cleveland area , ans just simple say
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In one of the oddest moments of an odd season, 3-10 Browns coach Mike Pettine decided to use last week’s win over the 4-9 49ers as a sign of valor, and evidence his team hadn’t given up.
So yeah, the 49ers noticed, and veteran offensive coordinator Geep Chryst pointed out that perhaps Pettine should temper his pride.
Pettine said that for two teams in “very similar situations” entering last week, he liked what he saw from his team.
“I thought you saw one team that wanted to be out there and wanted to compete and wanted to win a football game, and I don’t know if I sensed that same attitude from the other side,” Pettine said.
Chryst mentioned those comments before reporters could even ask him about them.
“Well, he’s shining his star, saying that, ‘Even though we lost seven in a row, look how we showed up. We’re a team that fights and does not quit,’ ” Chryst said, via Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com. “I do know if they had 10’s across the board on all the things he cited, and we were at 1 across the board, then I don’t think they would’ve had a field goal blocked. I don’t think they would’ve had [an interception], which is critical to the game. I don’t think they would’ve had a fumble. I don’t think they would’ve allowed a punt to come back [36 yards].”
So sure, the 49ers have the league’s worst offense, but Chryst also pointed out that they’ve had 19 different players catch a pass, which is more of a sign of attrition than anything Blaine Gabbert may or may not be doing.
And he also noted they had made some progress in the previous four games, losing only to the Cardinals and Seahawks.
“And this was a step back,” Chryst said of the 49ers’ loss to the Browns.
What it most closely resembled was two hogs fighting over a turnip, the kind of game neither side (or fans) should spend this much time considering. Dunce.
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Pet made a drama. Bench him for two weeks.
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Pet made a drama. Bench him for two weeks. True. He's been embarrassing the team.
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So, Chryst wants us to know that they have a shiny turd, too??
Ok.
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So, Chryst wants us to know that they have a shiny turd, too??
Ok. I don't really care what Chryst said, it's more of Pettine saying something stupid. Why would you ever question another team's effort?
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The same people ripping him are probably the same people who criticize coaches for using cliches and "coach speak."
Heck, I actually thought his comments were complimentary.
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If I were a head coach of an NFL team, I would say that every player on the team coming up is one of the very best in the NFL if asked by the press. Every time. If they asked me about playing Brian Hoyer, I would say; "I think that he is one of the very best in the NFL." Colt McCoy? "He is definitely one of the best in the NFL." I don't believe in giving the opposition any bulletin board material .... especially not a guy who has 16 passing TD, 1 rushing TD, 0 INT, no turnovers, and is averaging almost 300 yards/game (close to 75% completion, and almost 10 yards/pass) over his last 4 games.  On the bright side, if Wilson gets really ticked off and throws 4 TD passes, that's his average lately.  I cannot see Carroll leaving Wilson in the game if they go up by 4 scores. Why risk getting him hurt?
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Also, how wrong is Pettine? Wilson has been lighting the world on fire for the past several weeks.
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The same people ripping him are probably the same people who criticize coaches for using cliches and "coach speak." I would love if any coach said interesting things. You can do that without being stupid.
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The same people ripping him are probably the same people who criticize coaches for using cliches and "coach speak."
Heck, I actually thought his comments were complimentary. They were, it was just the way they spun the title of the article that makes it look like a negative.. But they got their clicks, they created their controversy, which led to more clicks... it worked for them.
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He may not be among elite in coach dummies eyes, but he sure does win a lot and I would take that. I guess this explains a lot of how stupid he really is about football. If anything, He probably just set the defense up for a real slaughter. Good job, Mike.
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“Well, he’s shining his star, saying that, ‘Even though we lost seven in a row, look how we showed up. We’re a team that fights and does not quit,’ ” Chryst said, via Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com. “I do know if they had 10’s across the board on all the things he cited, and we were at 1 across the board, then I don’t think they would’ve had a field goal blocked. I don’t think they would’ve had [an interception], which is critical to the game. I don’t think they would’ve had a fumble. I don’t think they would’ve allowed a punt to come back [36 yards].”
Yeah all that happened and we still kicked their butts... So he just proved Pettines point I guess.
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Means a bunch coming from someone notorious for judgment (dumb to do this before a game — do not give them locker room fodder!). And then reversed himself a bit to change his own opinion and give Wilson some love.
Can't see a good reason for a good reporter to fish this up. We have plenty of bad to write about already in place.
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He didn't say anything that is untrue or hasn't been said on network many times already. It's not like anything he says will lessen the massacre headed our way. I mean everyone KNOWS seattle is going to demolish us anyways so what's the point in kissing their arse.
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lol, right? It's like everyone thinks Wilson is The Hulk... "oh, don't make him angry, you won't like him when he's angry!". 
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it is funny how people clowned pettine, which is why i posted the article.
i disagree with pettine with one thing though:
right NOW, i'll take wilson all day over brees. all freaking day.
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Funny. Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett came to the defense of his quarterback, and said that Browns coach Mike Pettine was not an elite evaluator of quarterback talent.
Via Sheil Kapadia of ESPN.com, Bennett said during an interview with 710 ESPN that Pettine was missing the greater point about Russell Wilson.
“Obviously he’s not good at picking quarterbacks, . . .” Bennett said. “Maybe he doesn’t know what elite is. I think that Russell Wilson is very elite. He’s been to two Super Bowls. It’s only his fourth year. I don’t think a lot of guys can say that.
“There’s a lot of guys with a lot of passing yards that haven’t had any success and don’t even go to the playoffs, like Philip Rivers and guys like that. Drew Brees hasn’t been to the playoffs in two years. So Russell Wilson is definitely an elite quarterback, and he can lead a team. . . . I think Russell Wilson has done a great job of proving that he is up there at the top tier of players.”
Pettine said early in the week that he didn’t place Wilson in his top tier of quarterbacks, before circling back later in the week after criticism.
It’s perfectly valid to think that Wilson might not be on par with certain other quarterbacks as a pure thrower of footballs. And Pettine should be encouraged to continue to offer unvarnished opinions, without feeling the need to circle back and smooth everything over when something comes out differently than the normal (boring) takes coaches usually spout.
But when the coach of a 3-10 team points out the relative quality of an 8-5 quarterback who won a Super Bowl and went to another one, he also has to understand he’s setting himself up for people to scrutinize his work.
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And this is what I was concerned could happen. Not even saying what Pettine said was bad, but now Seahawks players are feeling compelled to respond to the quote.
Great.
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So? Let them respond. Big deal.
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To the quote? Again this was made up crap to get responses which had nothing to do with what Pettine said, as was mentioned well my interpretation.
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To the quote? Again this was made up crap to get responses which had nothing to do with what Pettine said, as was mentioned well my interpretation. Exactly. But it worked! And the Seahawks are aware of a Pettine quote, whether they know the true context of it or not. It's probably not going to end of being a big deal, but when I first read it, I thought to myself that I hope this doesn't end up becoming bulletin board material.
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im also laughing at pettine saying if our kicker cant go Austin davis would be the kicker....he was a guest kicker in practice and did great.
holy poop, we have a banged up kicker and we`ll go with a backup qb for a kicker?
are we gonna dress 3 wrs? lol. make sure we `backfill` to keep this amazing `special`teams together...
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