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I take it when you was 22 you never got caught in the car with a crazy woman and tried to get somewhere to stop FAST..holy crap the standards people hold Johnny to are funny to me sometimes

Most 22 year olds don't have the problems Manziel has had.

I heard John Clayton on ESPN Radio with Dan Le Batard. He predicted Manziel would be traded to the Cowboys for a 5th or 6th round pick.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14428578

The interview is within that hour of show if you want to give it at listen. Or you can just take my word for it.

Man ok...You/most must have lived a sheltered life

But I'll concede its your opinion. ..and some 22yr olds are worse then others

Just one other point and I'll drop it..at 22 the male brain isnt fully developed yet...so its not crazy to say/think a lot of 22yr olds arent making rational decisions and being all grown up.

So you are saying most 22 year old people have been arrested for being drunk while underage, gotten reprimanded at their job multiple times for not working hard enough, been in rehab, and had the police called on them because they were fighting with their significant other on the side of the road?

I disagree.

And I'll just take what Clayton says with a big ol grain of salt...but if that happens well just add it to the list of stupid things the Browns have done

Being 22 is not an excuse. There are literally millions of 22 year old people who work hard with no problems. There are hundreds of them in the NFL.

And it doesn't give you the right to endanger other people on the road. Of course that doesn't explain away lying to his coach, which leads to other suspicions like what else has he lied about?

Maybe he didn't only have 2 beers before the driving incident and the cop was just having flashbacks to when he was 22 and had an angry woman in his car so let Johnny go?

It's not the standards that he's held to that people should be looking at, but the lack of standards...

I think most 22 year olds don't have the benefits of getting into crazy things/given enough leeway that the NFL provides to JFF. But I do think 22 year olds face these own issues in their own way. It's all about scale.

Most no alot yes...agree or not..22 yr olds are not usually the epitome of decision making.

I dont know how you got that from my post but ok..

You literally said that his brain is not fully developed because he is 22.

Jesus man where did I excuse it?? I'm just saying the ones lambasting him should probably remember when they was 22 is all...I did dumb sh..at 22 and to be honest I dont know anyone that age who didnt.

Maybe you and others havent wasnt quite my point.

When you say his brain is not developed, that is excusing it.

Ugh, how did I get wrapped up in this again?

Well I disagree so it is what it is...I understand it..doesnt mean making excuses..

"I'm not making excuses, I'm just saying that a lot of people Manziel's age do dumb stuff and their brain isn't even fully developed. I did dumb stuff, so that means it's okay for Manziel to do dumb stuff. But I'm not making any excuses."

I agree. Manziel's celebrity is on an incomprehensible level.

I mean holy crap he was driving fast with his crazy girlfriend acting nuts in the car..lets just can his ass now. Now if he gets arrested suspended by the league for peds or substance abuse well he made his bed..

But I never made excuses for the guy.

Do you know what an excuse is?

You saying I understand how someone that age screws up is making excuses for them?? are you arguing to argue? if so I'll go do something else

Yes man I'm 54yrs old I know what an excuse is...I'm not arguing no more or even try to explain my position to someone who thinks I'm excusing bad behavior..have a great day.

j/c

Wow - I go away for a few minutes to watch some IRL youtube videos about fights (on the track and off) and a "fight" breaks out here?

It's one of the reasons why he has such major problems. 22 year olds just don't have the opportunities that Manziel have to get into this kind of trouble. Saying that they don't get into the same trouble is true, but only because they can't. They do have their own troubles like Manziel does, but to a lesser extent, because Manziel has the money to get into big trouble.

I agree somewhat. I just know that most young people can and do work hard without incident.

How many 22 year olds do you know that test their limits? I know a lot of people who try to test that line. Maybe it's my personality of being a habitual linestepper, that has attracted this crowd, but I don't think it is. I certainly think JFF needs to grow up, but I don't think he's currently out of control.

That's not a fight Arch...just someone telling me I make excuses for the Johnny Football. Have a great day Arch I have guests to attend to.

I think he was out of control (hence the rehab).

I would guess that most 22 year olds, have a car, or at least drive, they can certainly get alchohol and most if not all can get other drugs if they want. There's nothing in Johnny's money outside of the label on his bottle of booze that's extraordinary it's the likelihood that someone will snap a picture of it and post it online. So no, his money doesn't make his troubles and "more" than anyone else's, his have just been going on longer because he's been enabled. This coaching staff may be the first people in his life that have called him on it and maybe it's sunk in.

Doesn't make him 4 inches taller, stronger, or more accurate, but at least he wouldn't be playig catch up on a personal AND professional front...

If we unload him for a 5th, I hope they hold out for at least 52 Krispy Kreme's and give something back to the players.

At this point the only way they unload him for a 5th round pick is if all we've been hearing about his attitude and work ethis is BS. I wouldn't even agree to that at this point. Better let him finish out his contract as our number 2 than to get so little back. Now a 2nd rounder...that I'd consider. LOL

Seriously, he is worth 2nd round at least.

It doesn't make sense to trade him while his ceiling is unknown.

There is a 0% chance we get a second round pick for him.

I think there is zero percent chance we trade him.

Agreed. Haslam won't let that happen, the fans will be furious if that happens.

Johnny is a player and will only get better if he keeps his "stuff" together.

Except for the ones who won't be furious.

If you don't think there is a chance that Manziel is not on this team next year, then you are burying your head in the sand.

The likelihood of Manziel being traded increases exponentially if Pettine is fired.

Oh there's a chance he won't be. I just think he will be.

Somewhat random but related. I remember some years ago when Buddy Ryan was coaching the Eagles. He told the GM to get Ernest Jackson out of there. I believe the exact quote was, "Trade him for a six pack. It doesn't even have to be cold." Pretty sure he went to the Steelers and rushed for 1,000 yards!

I think there is a 0 percent chance we would settle for a 5th round pick.

I think there is a 100 percent chance cfrs will continue to say dumb things w/conviction.