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Manziel had an off day passing! He also kept us in the game with his legs and extending plays. There is only so much anybody can do with this talent. We still played better and got closer to winning than I thought we would. I'm actually kind of happy we lost, wins now are meaningless and just hurt draft position.

If a win next week spoils the Steelers playoff hopes I'd like that but otherwise... meh.

I will say, after the first quarter I thought we were headed for a complete blowout.

You know Rish just for laughs, I went to youtube and watched highlights of the Jets and the Pit games...He hit seam passes there in the video's...not saying your wrong..I couldnt think of any off of my head and watched the first 2 highlight videos of those 2 games and saw him hit seam passes over the line just fine...but maybe it is an issue IDK.

But in fairness I did see a lot of scrambling and throws out of the pocket to..I'm just saying man they are there.

Does this mean Manziel rules over me?

The concern is there, but for someone to say that is why we lost baffles me.

Hopefully, we give the keys to Manziel for a full season and see what he can do. Having Gordon back, and adding another 'bigger' WR should help stretch the field.

Not sure if I want this OC back either.

IDK does he??

I'm not talking about making a pass over the middle where the receiver has stopped and turned back to face him, I'm talking about leading a receiver up the middle of the field. He threw only one today to Benji and it wasn't close.

I can't remember the last time he completed one.

So you want Manziel back, but you want him to learn his third offense in three years? I can't think of many things that could be worse for Manziel.

I understand...and saw what you described..

Eh,that just came from someone who is looking to bail on Manziel for any reason.

He's very polarizing. Most people hope he fails just because they don't like him as a person.

Never mind him failing is bad for the Browns.

I want Flip back.

The Browns lost 17-13. The horrible play calling at the half giving the Cardinals an opportunity to score 7 points. Bad time management calling a run play with 2:05 left in the half. You gain nothing if you are trying to use up the time outs of your opponent or to run down time. The 2 minute warning was there to stop the clock. Horrible sequence of plays.

Not kicking the FG and going for it on 4th and 10. Bad choice. If you kick the field goal successfully, you only need a FG to win. The choices made put your team in a position to lose not in a position to win. Poor in game management from the coaching staff. Manziel looked bad. However, I will add that the defense played better when Manziel was playing AGAIN. The team responds to Manziel.

The mistakes by Manziel are those made by a rookie QB in his 8th NFL start. If Manziel is given those 2 games he lost due to the demotion from the coaching staff, perhaps some of these issues could have been addressed and solved. We will never know. Another loss. If there is a silver lining, the Browns have a chance to make the Steelers spectators during the playoffs next week at home.

There is nothing to be gained by making Gilbert inactive in week 16. What was Pettine thinking? The coaching staff has already packed it in. I give credit to the players for trying to overcome the teams coaching deficiencies.

Ive said this before...but I dont remember seeing anything like it with past players..I could be wrong I just dont remember it to the degree that it has with Johnny.

I thought the talk about the lineman finally understanding what Flip wanted in the running game was just that ...talk.

But they do seem to have figured some things out.

More reason to bring Flip back.

I'm just wondering who's going to play RT.

I don't really care about him as a person, I care about him as a QB in the NFL.

The only time I've seen Manziel look competent at the NFL level is against really bad teams. Every other time looks exactly like this.

He looks like a backup QB. He has not and cannot make plays from the pocket on a consistent basis.

As a leader. He and the rest of the team left nothing on the field today, outside of a couple of guys who were either hurt or just playing the string out...

I know. It would suck for him for sure. Personally, just not impressed with the play-calling. Although it could be more bc of personnel.

We have to re-sign Schwartz. Have to. If he doesn't sign, franchise tag or transition tag (the franchise tag for offensive tackles was $12.943M last year the transition tag was $11.096M).

Losing both Schwartz and Mack would be death.

I like the play calling. For years it was run run pass. I hated that so much. Flip mixes things up.

Again, we already knew this. People were talking about this last week and the week before.

Looked like Johnny was dealing with "medicine head" all day I wonder how sick and how pumped full of drugs he was - no jokes :-)

Just seemed antsy - rarely planted his feet

That said - I love the way he commands that huddle - Joe trusts him and the offense responded with a couple of decent drives and then survived a couple others.


Defense - what to say - at least they got off the field a couple of times and seemed to adjust enough to avoid allowing our glaring holes to be abused ;-)


Another "L" but at least I enjoyed it :-/

o yea.. the passion..

Vine

jc.

yeah Flips offense is real balanced...I wish he would run more.

25 Cleveland Browns 321 852 37.68%

Idk if that includes todays game..but a 37% run average doesnt seem balanced.

Manziel did not throw the ball well today but the kid is gutsy and the team responded to that.

He laid it all out there and just about brought the team back for a victory on the road vs a playoff team.

In the 2nd half our team looked like a playoff team. The defense was flying to the ball and gang tackling. Have not seen that all year. The offense was knocking the defense off the ball. The run game was working.

Now let's bring that effort home next week and end the Steelers chance at a playoff birth.

Given that I'm not sold on any of the QB's coming out and the way Manziel is progressing (crawl, walk, run..) this is literally a work in progress.. and I cannot wait until JFF has a full training camp with the first team.. AND.. with a legit BIG WR.. whether thats Gordon or someone we draft.. course I'd like both.

I do not see a reason to draft a QB this spring. Stay w McC and JFF

The best thing about today is that the Steelers are out of the playoffs right now, and no longer control their own destiny.

The Browns played a respectable 2nd half against a darn good team that has now won 9 games in a row. We lost by 4 points, so that is really something, even with poor tackling, difficulties in the passing game, and difficult weather.

We played a good team close, didn't help the Steelers in their playoff chase by beating he Chiefs, and maintained our draft position. I guess that's a decent Sunday at this point in this season.

True, but he demonstrated that further today. With each game he is showing us that we may very well have the franchise QB we have been seeking.

I have no idea what Manziel showed today that would lead me to believe he is anything but a backup QB in the NFL.

Leadership? Because he slammed his helmet to the ground? Or was there something else he noticeably did?

I'd like my QBotF to throw for more than 40% completion percentage and 4.3 YPA. I suppose you could blame the weather, but since Cleveland is hardly the bastion of good weather, it doesn't matter.

QB Johnny Manziel rushed for a career-high 108 yards, the most by a Browns quarterback in a game. Manziel recorded a 34-yard run, the longest by a Browns QB since Tim Couch recorded a 40-yard run at St. Louis on Oct. 24, 1999. Manziel added 136 passing yards.

I never disparaged his legs. He was fantastic on the ground today.

Too bad he is a QB, a small one at that. He cannot run like this on a consistent basis and stay healthy. And when he did throw today, he was incredibly poor.

Too small? Russell Wilson and Drew Brees, I rest my case. This absurd notion that he's too small needs to be thrown out the window. Also, it's not like as soon as you get to the NFL all the offensive lineman are gigantic compared to college.

If he had the hard work, arm, footwork, timing or accuracy of either of those two guys, we wouldn't be at this point.

Manziel either doesn't study enough, or he lacks vision. Either way, it's something that has destroyed his career from his first snap here and will probably be his undoing.

Was he good runner in the games that he got creamed last yr.? In the real football world, you can't always be judged on your passing percentage. He's improved in SIX GAMES, because he's got the will to win & the legs to do it when his arm fails. He couldn't of done that last year. He's improved because he has a better understanding on how to read a defence & can move into vacated areas of the field when given the opportunity.

He was blitzed, hurt & exhausted, but he used his TALENT to overcome a bad passing day to at least give us a chance, that's improvement.
Every QB has poor passing days, that's a fact. At least JM can suck it up & rely on the talent he has in his feet toward a positive showing when the passing element has failed. This just in, a very small percentage of QB's possess JM's mobile quality.

I wonder how many games Russell Wilson or Cam Newton would of won in their early yrs. without running when their arms or receivers failed. These types QB's can't be split in half.

So A Smith was 15/22, 125 yds. 2 TD & 1 INT, with 8 passing first downs, four that he ran for with six rushes for 54 yds. Two TD passes against a crap secondary. I bet every time Smith took off you were screaming at the TV, I know I was! That's OK because Alex is a quality QB with tons of experience & can make something from nothing.

JM was 13/32, 136 yds. 0 TD & 1 INT, with 8 passing first downs & 11/108 rushing, with minimal game experience & had us knocking on the door. I submit to you, JM didn't lose this game with his poor passing, but put us in a position to win if our crappy FG team could hit on a FG longer than 40 yds.

People looooooooooooove the exception.

The will to win. This is what people say about players when there is nothing tangible to point to when defending the player.

He battled.

IF we are to proceed with Johnny then we will need to do a few things. First, hire an offensive head coach. A guy that can work with young quarterbacks. If only we had hired Bruce Arians eh? We will need to keep Johnny's throw count low. Like around 20-25. Less is more. The fewer hits he takes the longer he survives. That means running the damned football. It should be our mission. We should also bring in another young QB. PUSH Johnny to WORK on his game. His mechanics aren't good. So drafting or trading for a young talented QB should hopefully light a fire under his ass. If not we at least have a back up plan.... I'm not a fan of betting the entire franchise on a guy that would rather party than play. Doesn't mean giving up on him, just means HEDGE OUR BETS. If Johnny gets his head out of his cooloo and becomes the franchise QB then we have trade bait or simply a quality backup with the other guy.... It's not like QB's don't go down like the Titanic here in Cleveland. I can't remember the last time we finished the season with a healthy QB room. We OFTEN have to sign guys off the street.
Then it's time to load up on weapons and pass rushers. Give all our QB's some guys that can score. Running backs and Receivers. We could use another TE. I wouldn't mind seeing two TE's like the Pats used to have(just not a murderer). If we are POSITIVE the best QB in the draft isn't an NFL caliber QB then look for one in the 2nd round. Just be sure to get one if one is available. Don't pass on a chance at a franchise player hoping Johnny someday becomes one.

IF Johnny is to be the man he HAS to start being a first in last out guy. He HAS to start caring more about football than about partying. If not I don't care what his legs can do. Legs get hurt. Ask RG3. If you can't play the game from the pocket, what happens when your wheels go? You better be able to do it without all the scrambling. Then once you can, nothing wrong with letting fly a LITTLE bit. Johnny needs to be the smartest QB on the field not just the most nimble. That means a LOT of work. That means going home on the bye and studying instead of going out bar hopping. I'll believe it when I see it.

I appreciate you reading the first line of my post

Thank you

You are being sarcastic and belittling JM, but he did battle. It wasn't pretty, but he put a team w/a vastly inferior roster in position to win.

I read the whole thing. The will to win thing just gets me every time.