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I certainly think them drafting P5 guys is a method we should start to employ.

Whats p5 guys?

Power five (Pac-12, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC, and ACC).

Power 5 conferences. The Bengals only draft players from B1G, SEC, ACC, PAC 12, and Big 12. They sometimes nab a guy who plays in the American conference, but rarely.

Ok thanks. I don't follow college ball, only the Browns.

I think the Arizona Cardinals DC or OC would be interesting hires.

I believe Bruce Arians is the play caller for the Cardinals. He is also very involved in the offensive game planning.

This is their defensive coordinators first year and he is basically running Todd Bowles system.

I don't think either are head coach material (yet).

Arians is the play caller for the Cardinals. and he also does a great deal of the work in creating the playbook.

Man I wanted him so badly when we hired Chud. I liked Chud, but I really, really wanted Arians as our head coach.

The crappy part is that he wanted to come here, but couldn't even get an interview with the team.

Maybe Banner didn't think he could put together a championship staff.

I kinda like Nick Caserio-Josh McDaniels combo, myself.

That being said, I really like Tobin and the P5 drafting style.

Gah, I don't know. Hopefully they have a proper order of operations.

We should have hired Arians. We need to hire a coach that can work with QB's. You can tell the Colts and Luck miss Arians being there....

u think arians would have won with Weeden and campbell at QB lol Banner would have fired his ass too.

This. Chud was never the problem. The QB's were the problem.

Chud was a huge problem.

He wasn't ready to be a head coach.

Chud wasn't a problem. Besides he had a more than capable coaching staff behind him. The problem was the QB's.

Arians didn't like what he had at QB in Arizona, so the team traded for Carson Palmer. I suspect that he would not have liked the combination of Weeden and Hoyer, and would have made a case for Palmer here as well.

This team is playing hard, Pet is making a case to stay on. If it wasnt for him taking out Shelton in short yardage situations, I really wouldnt have major issues, with anything he has done the last few weeks. he is growing as a coach but Shelton for Meder in short yardage really makes no sense at all to me. Oo and playing bad the last few weeks at corner didnt help his case much either lol.

I like Chud, but that team absolutely quit on him the last half of the season. He was in over his head. It's nice to see the Browns playing hard at this point in the season. KC is on a 9-0 run and we should have beat them in their house.

La Canfora Hearing Strong Buzz About Eliot Wolf as the Browns' Next General Manager

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/12/27/...the-browns-next

By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Dec 27, 2015, 11:16p

Sunday night, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports, who I have blasted many times for his agenda against the Cleveland Browns organization, posted a column about possible coaching and general manager changes around the NFL. The Browns weren't mentioned too much in the coaching rumors, although La Canfora pointed out that team owner Jimmy Haslam is a fan of former Bills head coach Doug Marrone.

La Canfora had some more meat when it came to discussing the general manager position, or more so a father-son tandem, that could be in the Browns' future if Haslam decides to rid himself of current general manager Ray Farmer at the conclusion of next week's regular season finale against the Pittsburgh Steelers:

If the past holds, many of the most sought-after GM candidates will be content to stay where they are. Nick Caserio of the Patriots and Eric DeCosta of the Ravens certainly fit that description, but as the weeks have gone on I've become much more inclined to believe Eliot Wolf might actually be willing to leave Green Bay for the right job. I've continued to hear a strong buzz about him in Cleveland, among other places (many believe Wolf's father, Ron, will end up consulting for Haslam on the Browns' forthcoming overhaul) and the sense is he will at least explore several options, though the Packers are in his heart and blood.

The Packers have built a reputation in recent years of building sustained success by hitting big in their drafts, having more home-grown players on their roster than any other team in the NFL. Cleveland would be an attractive place to build through the draft in 2016, and lock up existing talent with the amount of cap space in the bank.

E. Wolf was promoted to the Packers' Director of Player Personnel position this year, but he's been with their organization since 2004. If Haslam were to bring in his father, R. Wolf, it wouldn't be the first time that he's consulted with a Browns owner. R. Wolf is the one who told Randy Lerner to get Mike Holmgren to Cleveland, but Wolf later admitted that "it didn't work" and that the selection of quarterback Brandon Weeden was "puzzling."

Very interesting.

...and intriguing! This is almost certain to add fuel to the fire.

And I think your opinion is crappy.

If Haslam isn't looking for the right GM to get the right talent in place then he isn't doing his job. Haslam can't interfere with this process and Farmer hasn't proven he can evaluate NFL talent and seems to draft on a gut feeling and or Haslam interference and not by BPA which is usually a recipe for disaster in the NFL.

So we need a GM that can override Haslam with knowledge and a resume' with an large sample of proof of talent acquisition and draft selection in the past. Farmer ain't it folks.

This was certainly an opinion to have. However, after watching the Cowboys quit on Brandon Weeden made it pretty obvious that Chud wasn't the problem.

Well that's not kosher! If true, then your opinion is validated.

LaCanfora, I cannot remotely trust, in the slightest of fashions, anything he publishes/writes.

The pettiness on this board ruins almost every thread.

So, you are saying that texting the sidelines during games was okay? Forcing roster decisions and playing time during the season by Farmer was okay?

Man.......you guys!!!!

The difference was Dallas was smart enough to realize they wouldn't and won't get anywhere with Brandon, benched him and then cut him. Chud would have kept playing him, would've kept him in the games and consuming a roster spot. IMO, Chud had/has no business being anything other than a coordinator.

I like how he blames textgate on Shanny. Who would want to stay in a work environment like that. We have seen how well Pet and Farmer have worked this season do to the meddling by the gm last year.

Yes, and Farmer was suspended for his actions while Shanny was not.

Yet, they are passing moral evaluations.

That's a GM difference. However, this was Brandon Weeden's 2nd year in the pros. Maybe my memory was cloudy because I've always hated the pick, but I remember a lot of people on the old Browns board wanting to give Weeden slack after his first 1.5 years here. We also had Jason Campbell, who isn't better. That was our two QB's that year. The Browns quit on both of them. Just like every other team with them at QB have*

*Besides late 2000's Redskins(?) and the Texans this year... Even then it's debatable.

From what I recall, we actually started playing better when I believe Weeden got hurt and Jason went in.

Plus, we ran an offense that fit most of Weeden's strong suits, and he still had mental breakdowns and poor performances.

I'm not saying that playing Weeden, when he hadn't done squat to earn the stater role, was why Chud was a horrible coach/decision maker, but it played a huge role in it. This team, again from memory, quit on Chud and rightfully so.

All JMO and it's okay that you don't agree lol. Some may even say that's a topic not worth ever discussing haha.

I said nothing of the sort. I was commenting on the "recruitment" (or availability if you prefer) while under contract...

Weeden got benched after week 1. Hoyer then came in and won us the next 3 games. We were 3-2 at that point. Then Weeden started the next few and the team quit on him. Then Jason came in and we played a bit closer, but Jason screwed up a lot of games and the team knew it was a bum season.

Actually, when Chud got fired, the team went berserk. Remember all the texts media members were getting from Browns players? I don't think I've seen a team fight for a coach more than they did. I mean, Browns players were just ramming Haslam, Banner and Lombardi. Calling them inept asking media members to rip into them. They loved Chud.

You're right. It certainly doesn't matter. However, when you see a mistake you gotta point it out.

j/c...

It's Jason Cole, so take this with a grain of salt...

Insider Buzz: Browns Expected to Keep Pettine, Blame GM Farmer for Failures

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They were playing for Johnny. It was pretty obvious.