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Kelly said few times he really wants to remain in the NFL

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In my convo w Chip he said next stop he just wants to coach & insists he does NOT want to be the personnel guy too. This is significant

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The Browns should be constructed, of a Head Coach, who reports to the owner. and a GM, who reports to the owner.

Only a scant handful have ever been able to pull it off in the modern era. How many do we now have? Belichick and... who else?


I think it was easier when the NFL was still growing into its own. Lombardi, Brown, Halas... those guys could do it because they were way out front of the league in their IQ and acumen. It's because of them that we have the NFL as we now know it.

The game has grown.

Specialists working together make the dynasties now.

id rather go with chip. not that he is top tier... yet. pett is not even close, imo

The football know-it-alls have been making cases for keeping him. But he really needs to stay out of FA decisions for the most part. Maybe Pat Schurmer was too much of a pushover for him to say, "Look. You can't gut my talent. What the heck is wrong with you?" That's just me specualting though.

I have never really understood the GM role being over the coach. I don't think a coach should report to a GM. Each has a job to do. They should be like Senior Vice Presidents, who report to the President, who reports to the Chairman/Owner.

Some experts have predicted Chip to go to USC, Texas, etc ... but I actually think he'll stay in the NFL to redeem himself; his ego is too large to slink back to CFB and admit he wasn't good enough for the highest level.

But I do see him yielding his GM power. I think he'll just stick to being the head coach.

So, which NFL teams could be a fit?

1. Tennessee - Obvious connection with Mariota
2. San Francisco - Could he salvage Kaepernick and return to the west coast?
3. Miami - Tannehill and those WR weapons wouldn't be a bad fit
4. Cleveland - Yes, maybe he's intrigued with Johnny's athleticism and ability?

Since coordinators usually leave when the HC does, is the Eagles DC any good?

its interesting because Manziel would probably stud out in in a chip kelly offense if he could stay sober enough to run it. we already have the super fast WR that would excel in his system.

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If he doesn't want control of everything, there is pretty good reason to believe he will learn from Philly and be a better coach. And he was a damn good coach in Philly, turning a team around and winning 20 games in two years.
It was the GM stuff that did him in - why he ever wanted Sam Bradford I will never know. If Chip lands in Tennessee with Mariota, I believe he will turn that team around in two years.
I am not saying we should fire Pettine just to get him, but Browns fans saying no way to a coach that averaged 9 wins for three years without a good QB is kind of crazy.

I don't know, but man, we gotta get their offensive coordinator.

Why am I not surprised. Arrogant guy who gutted the team of some awesome talent and didn't bring in adequate replacements. Kelly thought he was the smartest guy in the room.. Guess now!

Someone may hire him as a HC in the NFL again, but I doubt they give him the GM duties as well. Bet he goes back to college...

I'm kind of shocked people are wanting him here. I just don't see it. He's an ego guy who has made a lot of mistakes personnel wise. The players literally seem to hate playing for him. Then you factor in the gossip of racism and etc... yeah him not coming here initially was a blessing, our cap and etc would be drained for likely nothing of any positive.

College coaches need to stay in college.

Damn, and Kelly had a chance to equal Pettine's single season win record next week. SMH

Absolutely not...especially when the owner knows ZERO about football. One person reports to the owner...the DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS. Coach and GM report to THAT guy.

It isn't rocket science. Coach and GM reporting to owner doesn't work. There is already evidence of this in Cleveland.

'More details emerge as to why Chip Kelly was fired by the Eagles'

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/...ation-franchise

By Brandon Lee Gowton  @BrandonGowton on Dec 30, 2015, 12:12am

There are a number of reasons why the Philadelphia Eagles fired Chip Kelly on Tuesday evening. One of them reportedly had to do with his refusal to relinquish personnel power. Another one involved him losing the support of his players. But it's not just the players who stopped supporting Kelly, according to multiple reports. The former Eagles coach lost support in entire organization.

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Jeff McLane ✔ @Jeff_McLane

Chip Kelly had virtually no allies at the NovaCare and then lost Jeffrey Lurie. Was tolerated when he won. Endeared himself to no one.
10:25 PM - 29 Dec 2015

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Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports has even more details on Kelly's downfall:

So what else went wrong? Well, Kelly was losing people throughout the building, sources said, even outside of football operations. His autocratic tendencies got the best of him. His allies were few and far between. The idea that DeMarco Murray somehow led this charge is preposterous, I'm told, but in fact Lurie had begun having serious reservations a few weeks ago, when he began reaching out to confidants about how to proceed and began doing research on the pool of potential candidates elsewhere. He started to doubt whether Kelly The Innovative Coach was quite smart enough to overcome Kelly The Personnel Demagogue. Everything having to be Kelly's way -- moving events around to fit his schedule, things having to accommodate him -- grew troublesome.

Lurie didn't go into his meeting with Kelly with the intention of firing him, I'm told. More, it was to take his temperature and continue to feel him out and gather information that would lead to his ultimate decision on what to do with his organization in 2016. Obviously, things went sideways and what Kelly had to say didn't mesh with the owner's vision, and Lurie became convinced that for as radical as a Week 17 firing might be perceived, it was time to do it. The fact that Kelly didn't seem inclined to scratch and claw to remain in his perch, sources said, did him no favors as well.

Winning is a deodorant. It whitewashes everything. Kelly's personality and methods wouldn't have been drawn into question if the team was successful. But the Eagles were bad this year, and Kelly was largely to blame. The organization lost faith in him and Lurie decided it was time to move on.

so change nothing?

might be able to sneak there oc away?

Kelly sunk his own ship. Power trip....BOOM.... SACKED....CYA. Reminds me of the Mangini era here.

It amazes me that no one seems to understand why teams and coaches fail.

Kelly in his 1st year did really well with the talent that was in Philly dido year 2 but when given control and the desire to remake the roster over in his image he failed, but why?

It’s actually something I have bantered about this board for quite some time now. Lorie made a mistake dumping Kelly, but none of you would know why that is so because like many NFL executives (see Text), flipping the roster ALWAYS sets a franchise back.

Think about that guys, and apply its lessons to what we ourselves have witnessed over the past 2 seasons. Pile on top of that poor drafting in the 1st round and you have the Browns. It’s NOT that Kelly is a poor coach he just tried to do too much personnel wise to fast and in doing so he set his team back YEARS. It’s something we have actually done every 2-3 years and it’s why we never get to where we want to go.

No folks as long as you flip rosters you lose, the value if you will of continuity doesn’t come from the FO but from the football field think about that, think about what we witnessed here this season and the answers to success are easy.

If Text is let go and I hope he is will be successful if and ONLY if we build on what and who is here, if we do as Text has done all over again will witness similar results to what we have seen over and over again.

Retain good players add to the talent pool and STOP doing wholesale change simply for the purpose of having a roster that reflects the work of the GM and you’re on to something. Players and teams play better when they have time together. In other words the longer a group of players play together the better they will be regardless of what system they play in, that's right regardless of what system they play in.

Really look at Philly and how they did with the team Reid put together even though they were running Kelly’s offense. That’s your key folks you get on board with that line of thinking and understanding and then and only then have you put your hand on the pulse of what it takes to win in the NFL.

Too often and repeatedly we have called for and applauded change without ever understanding why we suffer as we do, and it truly is simple. Retain your good talent rotate out that good talent as better talent becomes available and on an incremental bases as opposed to wholesale change.

Our biggest mistake in the past 2 years was firing Banner and not because I loved Banner but he understood how you win and wholesale change and change simply for changes sake hamstrings a team and he knew it and displayed the kind of patients with the talent that was here when he arrived that needs to be the way we do business going forward.

I challenge you all to watch closely and to remember my words if we do wholesale change this off season will continue to lose if on the other hand we move slowly and improve incrementally will be better year in and year out. Without realizing it for the most part you all have witnessed what not to do repeatedly too bad you haven’t picked up on why we suffer. STOP wholesale change and will stop losing.

Like I said, he's arrogant.. That just ticks people off.

I'm SOOOOO glad he turned us down. For once, the luck was with us.

I won't get into defending Kelly but there is plenty of defending to be done. I will just say that his system is disciplined, intelligent, I 100% buy into the sports science and the science of player conditioning. It comes down to identity, what is ours? Do we have one?

At least with Chip we would have an identity, an offense and a very detailed plan. We've been winging it for 15 years, all of these "plans to run the ball and stop the run" we've had for 15 years.....

We missed on RG3 That was pretty lucky.

Yup,,, that was another near miss. And that one would have cost us a lotta 1st round picks.. Whew,, dodged a bullet there didn't we.

Another example of a failure when a coach gets complete power over personnel. We gotta get Nick Saban!

I knew Bradford would get him fired and some wanted to give up 2 firsts for the bum. I never understood with all the unemployed read option QBs why didnt he bring one in. Hell I thought Tebow was his best QB in preseason.

Yeah, It was reported that this is the way the team is currently constructed ..... with a football side and a business side, and a head coach and GM on the football side, each reporting to the owner, and each with his own defined powers and responsibilities, neither "over" the other.

We've tried it and it didn't work with Davis. Lots of teams have tried it, few have succeeded with a HC that has GM responsibilities.

I don't think Bradford got him fired. Probably didn't help his cause, But fired, probably not.

I'll get beat on for saying this, but under the right set of circumstances, Tebow could win. JMO

I agree, I always felt Tebow is like the perfect backup QB. You arent gonna be tempted to make him throw 40 times a game and it would gear your team towards tough bloody the nose grunt football.

The picks we traded resulted in Richardson, Weeden, Mingo, and (IIRC) Schwartz. (Just to add balance to the thread)

Oh, you and those pesky little things called facts

chip will probably have his choice of QB

Manziel in Cle
Kap in SF
Mariotta in Tenn

DC's figured out his gimmick offense? I am surprised.

fire pettine and bring chip in.

pettine trash coaching and Farmers trash drafting can bounce.

I truly don't know if I want Pettine to stay or not .... but if he is relieved of his duties, I don't think I want a guy who managed to alienate the entire team and front office at his last job, including the owner who, it seems, was in his corner only a few weeks before he was fired.

maybe, but chip seemed to have his players in the fight right until they got eliminated from the playoff race.

the fact that they were also in the playoff race, or made the playoffs since he was the HC, makes me what to dump pettine and hire the guy.

I really think Chip could have Manziel playing some steller ball, as well. we actually HAVE an offensive line, just need the right scheme, and he might like our backs Duke and Crow as well.