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He's not going to admit anything until you search back through the years and provide links to his posts, each and every instance, proving your point. Of course, he needs no proof when developing his conspiracy theories while he hammers them into submission, but call him out and he takes it to the court of law requiring legal proof.

Been dealing with mac for years now. This should not surprise you at all.

Also, I believe we lost the archives when the Trent Richardson release rippled through the internet and took down this site.

so pet says no problem when a little fun at home. good to see him not a total control freak. good to show johnny where it is and where it is not ok. GJ pet.

jc...

So did Manziel self report these concussion symptoms?

Here's what coach Mike Pettine is saying about the Browns today

“On the injury front, I will start with (QB) Johnny (Manziel) – he came in this morning complaining of concussion-like symptoms. We will obviously take every precaution with that. We sent him to see the doctors, which is our normal procedure.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...-today-1.651001

I am pretty sure it was on the official board, which is now closed. Why do you think he is saying that? LOL

Meanwhile, he never answered anything else. Believe me, he took Wright's dad's side in that confrontation. And Wright's dad was a piece of crap. The guy said he was gonna do my daughter.

Scum bag!

Quote:
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You defended the rapist, Eric Wright.


vers...this is your quote to me...now you "SHOW ME" where I defended rapist, Eric Wright.

Still waiting Vers...
Quote:
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

To Mac..."You defended the rapist, Eric Wright."



VERS...SHOW ME...where did I ever defend "rapist, Eric Wright"..(your words in quotes)

Back it up...vers.

mac, I can't show you because it wasn't on this board and you know it. Are you really going to deny it, mac? I expect a guy like Memphis to not tell the truth, but I didn't think you would resort to that?????????

Btw-------you STILL have not answered any of the other points in the post.

I think you are harping on this Wright thing because you know that you have no proof about the slanderous claims you made regarding Manziel and are trying to deflect attention away from the REAL ISSUE...........which is.....how were you able to overlook more serious issues, yet condemn Manziel w/out any proof?

I suspect that I will be waiting for that answer for a lifetime, because the reality is that you made false claims and your hate for Manziel is the foundation for your argument. And you will continue asking the same dumb question when you know the old board is down and I can't find the links.

How do you spell integrity, mac?

While a lot of times I think you're....uh, of the wall, I too am interested in where you defended a rapist is Eric Wright.

Vers purports to have a long memory, and he may. But, I'd be interested in seeing the posts of you defending a rapist.

Or, is this just a case of someone making something up to denigrate a posters opinion?

I have nothing for you or Vers - but I would like to see the proof, if it's there.

Wright's dad said he was gonna do your daughter?

Yep. And guys like mac defended him.

So, Eric Wrights dad said he was going to do your daughter? Can you back that up with proof?

Oh, and another thing. His dad didn't even do that in a PM. He did it right on the board. He didn't get suspended.

Now, mac is calling me a liar............so, I will leave it to each of you to whom is telling the truth. A lot of you disagree w/me, but I feel confident that those who have been around long enough, KNOW that I am NOT a liar.

Now............I wanna go back to the real point here rather than the deflective techniques that some choose to roll with. Here is an excerpt from an earlier post:




Anyone wanna deal w/the meat and bones of what this thread is about? Or, are we gonna keep playing hide the baloney?

Holy shiite! I'd like to see that too.

I have my word. Which I believe carries much more weight w/most than yours does!

His Dad only made one post here. Did he end up replying to you somewhere else?

A bit childish he wanted to fight you about this.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/214849/re-priority-1-the-defensive-line#Post214849

That's the link to the post.

I hope this is like Biggie Smalls where if you mention it enough he pops up!

How many times do I have to say it was on the official Brown's board?

Are you calling me a liar? Or, would you find it entertaining?

Either way..........

A lot of the archived posts were lost in several outages - new servers, etc - over the past few years. I know I have searched for posts I know I made, but they are no longer available. Maybe Purp can fill us in on how much has been lost, and when, but probably not. The point is, anyone can say anything was once said by someone, but they can no longer "prove it". It doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it can't be cited with a link.

EDIT: Especially if it was on another site (Browns Chat) that no longer exists.

Lighten up, Francis. I'd bet just about everybody here would like to see that post.

The father of said player is on Twitter.

WORST PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION FROM WEEK 16

Quarterback: Johnny Manziel, Browns (-5.5)

Manziel was good when he scrambled yesterday, but was bad when asked to actually throw the football. His -9.8 pass grade is one of the worst we’ve ever recorded. When the Chiefs didn’t blitz and Manziel was forced to throw into coverage, he completed just 39 percent of his passes and averaged a mere 4.4 yards per attempt. He also threw a terrible interception and had two more bad passes that should have been intercepted. He looked uncomfortable all game long, and yesterday was not a good day for those who believe he’s made any significant development as a quarterback.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/12/28/pro-worst-players-at-every-position-from-week-16/

and on top of it the little guy hurt himselfe. can he start more than 3 games in a row?

Well mac...........thus far, I don't see a whole lotta people lining up to say that I am a known liar.

Once again.............I argue w/a ton of people on the boards. It gets ugly at times. I irritate a lot of people, but other than maybe three guys, who might be willing to be less than honest, you won't find posters who have seen me post since 2001 say that they HAVE EVER HEARD ME UTTER ONE SINGLE LIE!

So, no proof, other than your word.

Got it.

I read that thread and it was interesting to see all the posts around it. Love tab's post. LOL

Anyway, it got me to thinking about what Memphis was barking about earlier in the thread. Went back and toggled it. Here is what he said:




Now, here are words between Wright's dad and me on a "real" thread:



Who do y'all think is telling the truth here and whom do you think is making things up?

His Dad is known to go to many different sites and pick fights with any criticism of his son.

I've got no horse in this race. Just remembered it to be completely asinine he would take you to task on a message board of all places.

I am not trying to blame his dad. I understood his position. He was defending his son. I respected that. I didn't like when he said he was going to do my daughter and it got ugly after that.

I just posted it because there are people {Memphis} who make crap up in some desperate attempt to make me look bad. I never said the things he claimed and I think that little clip proved that.

For what it is worth Vers or anyone else...I read what you said happened with Eric's dad Vers...I didnt post at the time but I did read the exchanges between you and him...idk if it was really his dad or not...but I do remember that...your not lying.

Thanks man. I appreciate that.

I don't know if they will post it or not, but tab, peen, and others will probably remember how it went down, as well.

Frankly, I am shocked that you are the one to back me up. I thought you couldn't stand me. LOL

Youre way off on that one man..youre good in my book

I'm hoping that this sidetrack was just a clever ruse to get official board members to reveal themselves before the attack begins. If not we're just arguing about things that happened half a decade ago.

So add me on the Official-Remember-EW3's-Father-Telling-Vers-Off-Browns-Board-Member list

LOL........look, I really didn't mean for this thread to take this turn.

My point was that guys are crucifying Johnny for things that he hasn't been convicted of. Gordon was caught screwing up. There were very real accusations about Wright, and if you read my post on the thread Rock posted, you will see that those charges were very serious. A rape victim who did not want money. A lot of ecstasy in Wright's apartment. No alibi. Leon was Leon. He skipped out on so many practices, was late so many times, cussed out coaches, disrespected vets, partied his butt off, etc........

..........yet those guys got a free pass from many and were even defended by many. Johnny has NOT been suspended. Drinking is legal. Yet, we continually read crap like "you can't win with a drunken quarterback."

I find it hypocritical and I will point it out. That is the direction I intended this thread to take, not some story from the past involving me and Wright's father.

And again.........I am okay w/him defending his son and wanting to fight me. And he is probably okay that I wanted to fight him when he said that about my daughter. That's not the issue.

The issue is the double standard regarding how harsh some people are w/Johnny.

I have a terrible memory but I believe Vers 100%. I remember Eric's Dad posting some crap dealing with Vers.

The guy from NWA?

I'm not going to touch on the rape stuff, cuz, well, I don't know anything about the post/incident.

While I know there are going to be Manziel haters no matter what he does, there is a distinction between the Manziel haters and the Manziel skeptics, the latter I believe there are more of between the two.

When it comes to the skeptics, I think you are missing the reason why the drinking is a red flag for them.

It has NOTHING to with the fact he drinks a beer, or dear God a 4 Loko.. I tried one once.. couldn't get past the first sip.. I thought it tasted like a homeless dude's sweat sock. But I digress..

It's not so much he had a beer, as it is what it (reasonably) represents: look at Manziel's history.. the drinking leads to excessive drinking which leads to excessive partying which last year led to a completely wasted season. Those are simply the facts.

Yes, Manziel went to rehab on his own, but was it because he admitted he needed to, or was it simply a way for him to rebuild his brand? Who knows?

But this season when the skeptic sees him drinking at a party, coupled with the immaturity of lying about a video, it's not a far leap, fair or unfair, for the skeptic to make between that 4 Loko and him finally doing something that gets him benched or suspended.

I think even you can see that the level of partying he has done in the past probably runs real close having things happen that would involve the Law: girl gets drugged and raped, someone OD's on coke, they get caught with 20lbs of weed and are snorting Adderall... not saying Manziel would do these things, but pursuing that lifestyle he runs the risk of being guilty by association.

So No, you are 100% correct that drinking isn't illegal, he hasn't been arrested for anything, and he hasn't been punished by the League for anything. But that lifestyle puts him awfully close to flirting with the Devil.

People aren't convinced he's given up that lifestyle, at least to the point that they don't have to worry about reading somewhere where he finally gets jammed up legally or with the League just as this team is getting competitive.

For some context, I'll say that I fall in to that skeptic category, though I may not be as hard about it as some. I don't follow college football AT ALL, so I really knew nothing about Manziel when we drafted him aside from the fact there was all this hype surrounding him. To be honest, after his rookie season, I wanted him cut from the roster, and I wouldn't have been sad to see him gone. Having said that, he has made progress on the field. I also think that Pettine has handled Manziel EXACTLY as Manziel needed to be handled this year. Benching him for lying is precisely what Manziel needed because let's face it, to be successful at this level, Manziel needed to gain a healthy appreciation for the Game and what it means to be a leader. I may be romanticizing things a bit, but I think the message to him was "Look how much YOU are hurting the team by not being out there." The benching and the initial reluctance to start him was more a natural consequence of his immaturity. Let's face it, Pet was right about Manziel last year not being ready to play, Pet was right this year in his praise of his on field progress, he was right that he had to learn how to play more from the pocket... so until I see otherwise, I'm going to trust that he did the right thing by benching him. Even though he's been the Heavy (part of his role as HC) there is zero evidence to support the notion that Pet is any less supportive of Manziel than Flip, O'Connell, or McCown.

The net result of all this: I actually found myself excited to see #2 on the field against the Steelers this weekend... unfortunately we know that isn't going to happen

And unless there's a "can't miss" QB in this years draft or FA, if we can keep the offensive side of the coaching together, I'm comfortable with Manziel going in to preseason as the #1 for next year. Flip's offense is missing 2 things IMO: better integration of the run game, and a couple of game breakers on offense.

I'll close this unasked for speech with something that I saw in last weeks game that actually impressed me about JM: I think it was following Poyer's 1st down on the faked punt, and the refs were huddled to discuss the penalty. There was a defender on one side (presumably the captain) and Manziel on the other. Cam Erving for some reason decides he's gonna walk right up on the refs to listen in... Manziel grabs him, pulls him back and sends him away. I don't know why this stuck out at me, but to me it showed that he's taken ownership of this team. I'm big on watching body language (its a big part of my job ) and while Manziel had a rough game, he started to look like the position of NFL QB was a natural fit for him. You could see him trying to put the game on his shoulders. I'm just not convinced that had he been given the #1 spot earlier in the season without growing up a bit first like some here suggest that we'd see this level of progress from him.

But what do I know?

Ice T? or Ice Cube?