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Do a search of Memphis' posts. See how many are addressed to me. See if he even ONCE discusses football or if every single post he makes towards me is meant to be insulting and degrading.

Now..............you tell me if I do that to anyone.

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Tons are addressed to you.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Do a search of Memphis' posts. See how many are addressed to me. See if he even ONCE discusses football or if every single post he makes towards me is meant to be insulting and degrading.

Now..............you tell me if I do that to anyone.


Memphis? football? thanks for the chuckle.... rofl rofl


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I do apologize that I bring nothing to the table....

Clearly, Cocaine Cowboy trumps it all.


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Bottom line, the only coaches that can survive a 3 win season are coaches that have a playoff history of wins. Pet just doesnt have the resume to survive.

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I view coaches who survive this crappy of a season in two categories:

first year coaches
coaches with great history


Pet is neither. See ya


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Here is an interesting article and I agree w/the premise. Curran does not mention Pettine, but I really see the connection. Pet is trying to establish a new culture of where players have to earn their position rather than having it handed to them due to their draft status or how much money they got in free agency. Instead of that being appreciated, we hear things like he isn't utilizing the talent properly or isn't developing players.


That's a good article, written by a guy who was there for it all. I think he's right about the difference between then and now, especially since the advent of social media.

I remember, before 1999, the only information and opinions I got on the team was the local newspapers and local sports segments on the TV news. Now, every bunghole has an opinion and it's not only splattered all over the internet but is also repeated by second-level bungholes until there are a selection of uneducated opinions that I am bombarded with to the degree I don't know what's going on.

I feel I knew more before the information explosion. At the very least I was able to develop my own opinion based on the information I got. Now, there is so much true/false, right/wrong information it's difficult to know from what to base an opinion on.

Along with us fans getting a glut of information/mis-information, the owners have to hear it all too. As well the owners have to hear all the fans reactions to the info/opinions being sprayed on them, right or wrong, and that affects the owner's view of the pulse of his fanbase.

Even though it shouldn't, it causes the owner to react to the fan's reactions. Who wants to be known as "The Three Stooges"? That doesn't even have to have a modicum of truth in it but it's funny so it goes viral and the whole world's laughing at you. Same goes for the "Factory of Sadness". Neither of those two things are anything more than a funny quip. But social media blows it all over the world and stupid things like that get top press. (If those things are said 15 years ago hardly anyone would have heard them) If you're the owner, that stuff effects you.

For the Browns for the past two years Johnny Manziel has been the viral internet sensation. The team, the coach, has two entities to deal with, the team and the internet/media sensation. Ideally the coach spends his day developing strategies and coaching the team. But the Browns coach has had to allow at least a certain portion of his day responding to internet/media reports/questions regarding Johnny's actions. He also has to allow a certain portion of his day, every day, developing strategies for his responses to the media on that subject. That has been an ongoing, never ceasing distraction that has nothing to do with football yet everything to do with social media and it has become a large part of his job.

That distraction spreads to the other coaches and the FO as well. But seeing as how the other coaches are not permitted to speak so freely with the media and the FO people are busy hiding behind their desks it leaves the HC alone to spend some face-time every day addressing the situation. I can see how it pisses the coach off making him want an immediate end to it.

Beyond that, no matter what the HC does in the way of who he plays and how and where he plays them, he gets scrutinized in such depth by people who have no business in the matter, which in turn gets reported Nationwide to the fanbase, that he's hardly free to make coaching decisions without thousands upon thousands of back-seat-drivers and second-guessers weighing-in with a dozen of know-nothing-about-football opinions, and there are thousands of fans subscribing to each one of those dozen opinions, all voicing their displeasure on message boards and other, more widely spread, social media.

George Bush was the first Presidential victim of the internet. It was proclaimed that he was the worst president in the history of our country. The internet media along with social media created that.

Now, remarkably, Obama, the very next president, becomes the worst president in the history of our country. Way worse than Bush. Again, internet media and social media with it's over the top, too-much-information created that.

I predict the next president will eclipse both Bush and Obama as the worst president in the history of our country. Way worse than either Bush or Obama. It's the way it happens when average people get too much information and too many opinions given them. They don't develop their own opinions from the information, they instead ape the opinions given them from others. Since there are a myraid of opinins to choose from large groups of people cling to one given opinion or another and take it to the internet. With many given opinions come many differing groups. They're all full of shit.

And the same thing has happened to football and it's Head Coaches. RAC was the worst coach, then Chud, then Shurmur and now Pettine. Each one is worse than the one/ones before him.

Really?


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NFL network reports Pettine will be Fired: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...re-mike-pettine

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#Browns coach Mike Pettine lost Jimmy Haslam's confidence. Example: To players losing to KC, he guaranteed victory. They rolled their eyes


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Another Pettine example: Before 2nd #Bengals game, he told players Saturday night he might be getting fired & they hadn't done their part.


And where have we seen this before.....

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#Browns GM Ray Farmer may be fired without ever hiring a coach. Had 2 top picks forced on him: Manziel (Haslam's call), Gilbert (Pettine's)


https://twitter.com/RapSheet

And then there is this from Lane Adkins, of the OBR regarding Farmer:

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I'll go to the grave believing wholeheartedly it was between Watkins and Mack at 4 and Carr at QB


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Sad if that was the case.


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I saw that from Lane last night about the Carr and Watkins/Mack. Unreal. If true, Farmer still should be held accountable for not asserting himself and making the final decision.

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More fuel for the fire:

Browns' Mike Pettine and Ray Farmer likely to be fired, as soon as Sunday night

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com on January 02, 2016 at 8:34 PM, updated January 02, 2016 at 8:51 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns coach Mike Pettine should've known he was in trouble when the schedule came out in April.

Season finales against the Steelers are never a good thing for a struggling Browns coach. The last four were fired after season-ending losses to the Steelers, and Pettine is likely to become the fifth.

Browns owner Jimmy Haslam seems inclined to "blow things up'' and fire Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer as early as Sunday night -- despite the fact he said in August that he wouldn't.

League sources said Haslam has already been laying the groundwork for their replacements. The competition will be fierce and he has to act fast. Interviews could be scheduled as quickly as Sunday night.

Sources told cleveland.com on Friday that Pettine met with Haslam on Friday and asked him about his future and that of the coaching staff. He was told that a decision would be made either after the game or on Monday.

Pettine then met with his coaching staff on Friday and shared the news.

When the coaches walked out of the meeting, they felt Pettine would be fired, the sources said.

Similarly, Haslam has not given general manager Ray Farmer a vote of confidence, meaning he's most likley gone too.

Under their guidance, the Browns have gone 10-21, including 3-12 this season. They've lost 17 of their last 20 games dating back to their 7-4 record last season, and nine of their last 10 this season. They'll finish 1-5 in the division if they lose to the Steelers today.

When Haslam said he wouldn't blow things up, he felt the Browns were "directionally correct'' at the time. They were coming off a 7-9 season and had victories over the Bengals and Steelers.

Despite the fact Farmer was about to embark on his four-game suspension for impermissible texting during games, Haslam said he was confident that Pettine and Farmer were the right men to lead the team.

"They're quality people, they're smart, they work hard and they have been around football all of their lives,'' Haslam said in August. "I feel good that we have the right people in the building now.''

Haslam also said at the time that he felt the Browns were "going to be very competitive this year.''

Instead, they finished with one of the worst defenses in the NFL -- despite investing heavily on that side of the ball, and limped to the finish line with no obvious quarterback of the future.

Pettine made it clear on Thursday that while Johnny Manziel has made strides on the field this season, he's reverted back to his old behaviors off it and will need to address his demons again in the offseason. Sources told cleveland.com that the organization has become increasingly concerned about Manziel's well-documented drinking over the past few months. At first, he was doing the right things inside the building, and the club thought he was living right.

But recently -- particularly over the past few weeks -- his demeanor even inside the walls of Berea has raised plenty of red flags.

"Here is a guy that has an NFL skill set, he's very talented, if you spend some time with him, he's a likable guy, you root for him,'' said Pettine. "But there are problems there that we'll talk as we're headed to the offseason about getting addressed. And I've said this before, we want to make sure that all of our players are in good shape as people first, players second. Because I don't think you can be as effective as you can be as a player if things aren't right off the field. And he's a good example of that.''

Pettine, who admitted in November that Manziel's issues are "more deeply rooted'' than the club thought when they drafted him, said the Brown can't force Manziel to get help.

"I don't think we can really mandate it, but there can be strong suggestions as far as how he handles it,'' he said. "You've got to be able to send him off with a plan and check in every so often, and when the desire is there to want to get it changed and want to be better, hopefully you'll have a good result."

The Browns will likely end up with the No. 1 or No. 2 pick in the draft, and Haslam probably doesn't want to head into another selection meeting with this current regime in place. The 2014 draft that netted Justin Gilbert and Manziel has been mostly a disaster. The coaching staff has made it clear that Gilbert hasn't shown he actually wants to excel in the NFL, and he's already in bust territory.

If Manziel doesn't get it together soon, the Browns will be hard-pressed to even get a middle-round pick for him. Dallas' Jerry Jones might still want him, but it's evident to him and everyone else by now that Manziel is currently damaged goods.

Pettine admitted publicly this week that he'd be willing to make changes to his coaching staff -- most likely on the defense side -- to stick around, but even that probably won't be enough to save him. Top players such as Paul Kruger, who slipped from 11 sacks in 2014 to 2.5 this year, have complained about the scheme and the way they've been used.

"Those discussions will remain between Jimmy (Haslam) and I,'' Pettine said. "Will there likely be some changes? If I were to stay here, it would be hard to justify keeping the staff completely together, and there likely would have to be some changes made, but I won't get into specifics."

Pettine acknowledged that the defensive woes have been one of his biggest disappointments of the season. He left the defense in Jim O'Neil's hands and focused on helping first-year coordinator John DeFilippo with the offense.

It was a colossal mistake, one that a smart football boss would've seen coming a mile away. The defense tumbled to 26th overall, 32nd against the run and 29th with 26.9 points allowed per game. But he never stepped in to rescue it when it was floundering.

"It's been a source of frustration,'' Pettine said. "It's tough for me, too, when that's my area of expertise and it's an area where we've fallen short, especially this year where I felt like we've overachieved offensively. If you look at the roster, the investment, we've underachieved [on defense].

"We're not going to make excuses. It is a source of frustration, disappointment and something that myself and the defensive staff show up here every day to work and get corrected. Some areas we've gotten better and others we haven't."

As Pettine's seat grew warmer in early December, he took the gloves off and asked other parts of the building to share in the Browns' failure. While most people assume he was talking about Farmer, sources said he was referring more to the business side of the building, led by team president Alec Scheiner.

"We have to be brutally honest with ourselves and brutally honest not just looking in the mirror but to other parts of the building as well because if you're going to be successful, your building has to be unified,'' Pettine said during his press conference.

"That's a big part of it. That's where the plan starts, and that to me hopefully will drive what changes need to be made. Sometimes you fall into the trap of 'let's just make change.' Well, let's make damn sure the changes we're making are the right ones that are going to get this ship turned and headed in the right direction."

Asked if the building is unified, Pettine said, "It's hard to be at this point. It's human nature. When things don't go well, everybody has a tendency to kind of bunker in and get into that mode. I think we all want what's best for the Cleveland Browns. We all have ideas on how to get it done, and we need to be collaborative and we need to make sure that we're picking the best ideas and pushing those agendas moving forward.''

He admitted, "I can't sit here and say, 'Absolutely, we're all on board, 100 percent.' That's not reality because when things don't go well, everybody has their opinions and their reasons why, but it's going to come down to a brutal self-assessment and to be able to have the strength to make tough decisions and trust them and move forward.''

If Haslam decides to fire both, which appears to be the plan according to those close to the situation, he'll likely act very quickly -- as soon as right after the game.

There could be as many eight head coaching vacancies this season, and some of the teams have already begun interviewing replacements or lining up interviews. One of the candidates that Haslam liked a lot in the last search, Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase, already has drawn interest from the Dolphins and is expected to get a call from the Eagles.

Gase, who coached Peyton Manning to a Super Bowl in Denver, comes highly recommended to Haslam by Manning. When Manning is done playing, Haslam would love to have him become part of the Browns organization -- although he will have plenty of opportunities.

There will be a lot of moving parts in the scramble for a new head coach, and Haslam will have to sell the candidates on job security. An offensive coach will also likely have to have some assurances that a new quarterback of the future is on the way, likely with the first or second pick in the draft.

By Sunday evening, the changes will likely be in motion.

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If true, Farmer still should be held accountable for not asserting himself and making the final decision.


My top complaint about him as well.


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Browns owner Jimmy Haslam has already made the decision to fire coach Mike Pettine, multiple sources say, and it is likely general manager Ray Farmer will be shown the door, as well. Pettine leaves after just two seasons full of quarterback movement and a woeful defense. Farmer likely will leave despite never hiring his own head coach.


Haslam has already laid the groundwork for the move, doing work on potential candidates and seeing who will be available to him.

It ends a tumultuous tenure for Cleveland, filled with dysfunction, in-fighting, failed player acquisitions and wasted draft picks. Members of the front office were barely on speaking terms with the coaching staff, while Haslam informed them he must be consulted on endless football decisions.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...re-mike-pettine

Pettine asked Haslam face-to-face on Friday if he would return, and the owner said nothing. Pettine and his staff then understood it was over.

So who comes next for the Browns? According to sources, the Browns are expected to interview Detroit Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin and Chicago Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase for the head-coaching job. Former Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likely will be interviewed by the team, too.


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If true, Farmer still should be held accountable for not asserting himself and making the final decision.


My top complaint about him as well.


i can see the asserting himself over pettine, but the owner?

come on now.


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This one today. Just hard to watch again.


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Pettine's final press conference transcript.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...finale-1.651876

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Pettine's final press conference transcript.


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Browns HC Mike Pettine scheduled to meet with owner Jimmy Haslam at 7 pm ET, when he is expected to be relieved of his duties, per sources.


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/683782560334348288

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maybe Haslam should just text him a message that he's fired.


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Browns HC Mike Pettine scheduled to meet with owner Jimmy Haslam at 7 pm ET, when he is expected to be relieved of his duties, per sources.


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/683782560334348288


7pm, a hour and six minutes until the first line of firing begins...

*rings the bell*

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Browns HC Mike Pettine scheduled to meet with owner Jimmy Haslam at 7 pm ET, when he is expected to be relieved of his duties, per sources.


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/683782560334348288


7pm, a hour and six minutes until the first line of firing begins...

*rings the bell*


Yeah, cause Haslem had to let Pet do the press conference, while at the same time he went out to eat with his wife and whoever.

If you're going to fire him, fire him. If you're not, announce it yesterday.

Sorry folks, I see haslem as nothing but a marketer. The old "I own the team, and here's what we're going to do: New scoreboards, new uniforms, different food at the stadium. Yes, we'll market our way to the top. It worked when I took over daddy's business, it'll work here as well."

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Browns HC Mike Pettine scheduled to meet with owner Jimmy Haslam at 7 pm ET, when he is expected to be relieved of his duties, per sources.


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/683782560334348288


The Meeting:

JH: Thanks for the effort Mike, I have one question before I make my decision; If you get another year will you name JFF the starter and stick with him exclusively barring injury?

MP: Yes sir, unless he does anything.

JH: What do you mean anything?

MP: You know like breathe or smile or anything less than perfect times 100... just that kinda stuff.

JH: You're an idiot.

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