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ESPN's John Clayton: 'I really do' think Manziel's time with Cleveland is over; Dallas 'likely' a destination

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Johnny Manziel's season is over -- that much was made clear after the Browns ruled him out of Sunday's season finale at Pittsburgh because of a concussion.

ESPN's John Clayton says Manziel's career in Cleveland is over, too.

To little (or no) surprise, the Cowboys were brought up as a potential landing spot for the former Texas A&M star.
While on "SportsCenter" earlier this week to discuss Manziel, Clayton said the following about the quarterback's run with the organization that made him the No. 22 overall pick of the 2014 draft:

"I think he's over, I really do, because the team now is in a position to draft -- most likely -- the first quarterback in the draft, and whatever they do, and if they do take a quarterback, you know that they're not going to stay with Johnny Manziel.
"They'll try to flip him for a low draft choice - fifth-round, sixth-round pick - Dallas would be a likely destination, but I think you can understand that there's disappointment with the way this all worked out."

From Tom Withers of The Associated Press: Manziel went 2-4 as a starter, showing growth in everything from his preparation to pre-snap reads. But for all his progress inside the chalked sidelines, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner has continued to make off-the-field headlines.

During the season, Manziel, who spent 73 days in a Pennsylvania inpatient rehabilitation facility specializing in alcohol and drug addiction treatment last winter, was questioned by police in Avon, Ohio, following an in-car fight with his girlfriend. He was also benched two games by Pettine for being a distraction during the team's bye week and a video surfaced this week of Manziel rapping to a song while holding a can of what appears to be an alcoholic drink.

Browns coach Mike Pettine said accountability off the field is important.

"We always talk in terms of long-term sustained success and that's what you want to strive for," Pettine said. "If things aren't right off the field, that's very difficult to have that level of consistency, especially when you're in a position of leadership."

I'm starting to believe the people who think Manziel is going to Dallas are going to be correct. We shall see.

I can't imagine a worse situation for Manziel to be in, then to be back in Texas.

Also, if we trade him to the Cowboys it will hopefully quell their need to draft a QB. Kill two birds with one stone.

Only the Browns would be stupid enough to trade Manziel to the Cowboys for a low round pick, fire the head coach,draft another QB [in a poor qb class,] implement another brand new offensive system and expect it to work.

I am so freaking sick of this franchise!!!

Hold your horses, Vers, he's not officially gone just yet.

But I'm thinkin' he will be - that's just the vibe I get.

Kill two birds with one Stoner !

I know. I was thinking more of what Clayton said and it reminded me that we are the only team dumb enough to make such moves.

[quote=mac]Manziel is not going anywhere...because the owner is in love with him.
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I agree with this...but it is subject to change with any off season problems...then all bets are off....if they trade him for 5th or higher...dont think I'll be watching much football next year.

Maybe i'll retract that statement next year if they are winning...I'm sick of the losing...and my apathy level towards this team is the highest its been in 54yrs...hell if wasnt for reading and now writing on this board I wouldve been done a few yrs ago

well, that pretty much guarantees it will come to pass, hehe!

While what Clayton says may or may not happen, don't forget that he is a Steelers fan and always predicts the Browns will take the course of action of least value to the franchise.

I hope you are right, steve.

Saturday night and Manziel is back posting on Instagram!

JFF

Your point ?

He posted this because there are rumors that he is in Vegas right now.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/01/02/johnny-manziel-las-vegas/78217502/

I know.

Planet Hollywood Casino even having a little fun with the #SaturdayNights too.

Tweet

Man, I want to give the guy the benefit of any doubt, but if this is true, then I SO WANT HIM OUT OF HERE!!!

Shocked, no. But I am extremely disappointed (again, if true) that he puts his pleasure, his addiction, ahead of the team. I believe whether true or not, he is very likely gone...

If Chip Kelly ends up coaching the Titans, I could see Manziel in Tennessee backing up Mariota.

So why didn't anyone take a picture of him w/their phone if he was in Vegas? Lord knows people love taking pictures of Johnny in public.

Do you believe that Manziel and a drafted QB with the #2 pick can co-exist, eo? that would mean that we have 4 QB's on our roster as Davis has another 2 years to go on his contract and I don't see McCown going anywhere next season. Your thoughts?

I don't pretend to know whether it's true or not. I sure hope not, but then again...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/01/02/johnny-manziel-las-vegas/78217502/


Johnny Manziel spotted at Las Vegas casino on eve of season finale


Scott Boeck, USA TODAY Sports 2:08 a.m. EST January 3, 2016


LAS VEGAS - Johnny Manziel, who will sit out the Cleveland Browns' regular season finale Sunday due to a concussion, was seen Saturday dining and gambling at Las Vegas' Planet Hollywood casino, according to employees and patrons who interacted with the embattled quarterback.

Manziel, who Browns coach Mike Pettine said still must address off-field problems that resulted in a stint in rehab last year, paid cash for a meal at a restaurant in the casino, according to Tina Samira, a waitress who served Manziel and his guests at Heart Bar at Planet Hollywood.

Manziel also sat down at a blackjack table and a casino employee examining his photo ID exclaimed, "We've got Johnny Manziel with us tonight," according to John Hornacek, a 43-year-old casino patron who witnessed the exchange.

Manziel, 23, started six games in his second season with the Browns but was ruled out of Sunday's game on Thursday by Pettine, who said Manziel was in the NFL's post-concussion protocol. The Browns (3-12) play host to the Pittsburgh Steelers at 1 p.m. ET.

Cleveland Browns vice president of communications Peter John Baptiste would not confirm for USA TODAY Sports whether Manziel was in Cleveland, or if club policy dictated that an inactive player's attendance was required at Sunday's game.

Manziel's rookie season ended under dubious circumstances, when he overslept before the Dec. 27, 2014 season finale while partying with teammate Josh Gordon. Gordon, who had past violations of the NFL's substance abuse policy, was eventually suspended indefinitely, and Manziel entered alcohol rehab in February 2015.

As word of Manziel's presence in Las Vegas spread on social media, he posted a photo on Instagram showing him home with his dog, with the hashtag #SaturdayNights. He later added Avon, Ohio as the photo's location.

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It probably doesn't matter, since he's inactive for todays game, but its a really bad look, IMO - if the report is true.

I find a hard time believing it. Think about it....Johnny in Vegas. Tons of people around. So many pics previously posted of Johnny on the net. And not one person thinks to take his picture?

From the linked article, "We've got Johnny Manziel with us tonight," according to John Hornacek, a 43-year-old casino patron who witnessed the exchange.

So now sources are a patron of the casino. Hornacek, isn't that the guy who was on "Welcome Back Kotter"?

I am wondering about something. Does a rumor become "more true" because the very same information is presented in a variety of articles?

It used to be you were not allowed to have cameras or video recorders on the casino floor in Vegas. Of course that was the last time I was there which was well before the age of smart phones. I don't know how that rule could still be enforced today unless you aren't allowed to have a phone in the casino.

Eo: If I'm reading the article correctly, it was not New Year's Eve, but rather last night!!!

As I said a couple of times previously.."if true".

There's several articles out there, but they all cite the same source - USA Today. It must have been on social media first, because the article dateline is 2:08 AM EST.

How about we run w/this theme: "if not true?"

If not true, what does that say about the lack of responsibility of the media? What does it say about people jumping to conclusions? What does it say about humor nature thinking the worst of a person?

I read a Florio article this week about JM going to Dallas and thought: Mike Florio and NBC Sports are smart: Manziel + Cowboys= click bait potential.

Yes EO, Florio is a BOZO!! haha

I know, Dave.

I am just pointing out that I have read a ton of articles over the course of the last year about Manziel and most of them say the same thing over and over and over. We then have posters pasting these "new" articles [even though they contain NO NEW information] and posters seemingly become more cemented in their beliefs.

Dang..........I am not explaining this correctly. I don't think saying the same things over and over and over again makes things more true.

Ahhhhhhhhh........never mind.

Those two words should not likely be used in the same sentence. And I did state that I like to give the benefit of any doubt...