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Johnny Manziel's season is over -- that much was made clear after the Browns ruled him out of Sunday's season finale at Pittsburgh because of a concussion.
ESPN's John Clayton says Manziel's career in Cleveland is over, too.
To little (or no) surprise, the Cowboys were brought up as a potential landing spot for the former Texas A&M star. While on "SportsCenter" earlier this week to discuss Manziel, Clayton said the following about the quarterback's run with the organization that made him the No. 22 overall pick of the 2014 draft:
"I think he's over, I really do, because the team now is in a position to draft -- most likely -- the first quarterback in the draft, and whatever they do, and if they do take a quarterback, you know that they're not going to stay with Johnny Manziel. "They'll try to flip him for a low draft choice - fifth-round, sixth-round pick - Dallas would be a likely destination, but I think you can understand that there's disappointment with the way this all worked out."
From Tom Withers of The Associated Press: Manziel went 2-4 as a starter, showing growth in everything from his preparation to pre-snap reads. But for all his progress inside the chalked sidelines, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner has continued to make off-the-field headlines.
During the season, Manziel, who spent 73 days in a Pennsylvania inpatient rehabilitation facility specializing in alcohol and drug addiction treatment last winter, was questioned by police in Avon, Ohio, following an in-car fight with his girlfriend. He was also benched two games by Pettine for being a distraction during the team's bye week and a video surfaced this week of Manziel rapping to a song while holding a can of what appears to be an alcoholic drink.
Browns coach Mike Pettine said accountability off the field is important.
"We always talk in terms of long-term sustained success and that's what you want to strive for," Pettine said. "If things aren't right off the field, that's very difficult to have that level of consistency, especially when you're in a position of leadership."
Only the Browns would be stupid enough to trade Manziel to the Cowboys for a low round pick, fire the head coach,draft another QB [in a poor qb class,] implement another brand new offensive system and expect it to work.
[quote=mac]Manziel is not going anywhere...because the owner is in love with him. [/quote
I agree with this...but it is subject to change with any off season problems...then all bets are off....if they trade him for 5th or higher...dont think I'll be watching much football next year.
Maybe i'll retract that statement next year if they are winning...I'm sick of the losing...and my apathy level towards this team is the highest its been in 54yrs...hell if wasnt for reading and now writing on this board I wouldve been done a few yrs ago
I agree with this...but it is subject to change with any off season problems...then all bets are off...
I believe many underestimate just how committed Haslam is to Manziel...Haslam believes he has his franchise QB and he is willing to put up with all of Manziel's faults, regardless.
Only the Browns would be stupid enough to trade Manziel to the Cowboys for a low round pick, fire the head coach,draft another QB [in a poor qb class,] implement another brand new offensive system and expect it to work.
well, that pretty much guarantees it will come to pass, hehe!
While what Clayton says may or may not happen, don't forget that he is a Steelers fan and always predicts the Browns will take the course of action of least value to the franchise.
As word of Manziel's presence in Las Vegas spread on social media, he posted a photo on Instagram showing him home with his dog, with the hashtag #SaturdayNights. He later added Avon, Ohio as the photo's location.
I just read some stories that have Haslam pursuing Adam Gase, the OC of the Bears. Knowing how much Haslam is love with his Manziel, I wonder how that issue will figure into Gase's decision about where he next coaches.
If I'm a candidate looking at the Browns, I see a QB problem, but I also see an "owner problem".
If Peyton Manning were to take a position with the Browns..it might help the Browns to land Gase because Gase coached Manning as the Broncos QB coach in 2012 and as the Broncos' OC in 2013 and 2014.
...that might be Haslam's best shot at landing Gase...a long shot at this time.
I've said that Haslam's management team is need of someone on the football side, between the GM and owner level. Haslam has a President of the business side of the Browns...he also needs a President of the football side, imo. More so now than at any time since Haslam has been owner.
Like it or not, Haslam is not viewed as a positive for this franchise any longer. Haslam dug his own hole with a lack of sound judgement and a lack of patience. The further Haslam can distance himself from the football side, by adding a President of Football Operations, the better this franchise will be.
I believe Haslam has to be viewed as the worst owner in the NFL and responsibility for the Browns lack of success since Haslam took over, begins at Haslam's door step.
Shocked, no. But I am extremely disappointed (again, if true) that he puts his pleasure, his addiction, ahead of the team. I believe whether true or not, he is very likely gone...
"They'll try to flip him for a low draft choice - fifth-round, sixth-round pick - Dallas would be a likely destination,
I know that benefits the Cowboys just how does that remotely benefit the Browns...Yep Purdue Chicken we just here to benefit other teams.
Why can't take the QB of choice...start Manziel in 2016 and some QB desperate team like, ok lets say the Cowboys who lose ROMO again and Manziel is showing all that he's a viable NFL QB and we squeeze the Cowboys for another QB.
Of course if Manziel suck so much why would the Cowboys take him when they have a pretty early QB pick themselves to take...but yeah OK its about what is good for the Cowboys says the BOZO...smh
Do you believe that Manziel and a drafted QB with the #2 pick can co-exist, eo? that would mean that we have 4 QB's on our roster as Davis has another 2 years to go on his contract and I don't see McCown going anywhere next season. Your thoughts?
Johnny Manziel spotted at Las Vegas casino on eve of season finale
Scott Boeck, USA TODAY Sports 2:08 a.m. EST January 3, 2016
LAS VEGAS - Johnny Manziel, who will sit out the Cleveland Browns' regular season finale Sunday due to a concussion, was seen Saturday dining and gambling at Las Vegas' Planet Hollywood casino, according to employees and patrons who interacted with the embattled quarterback.
Manziel, who Browns coach Mike Pettine said still must address off-field problems that resulted in a stint in rehab last year, paid cash for a meal at a restaurant in the casino, according to Tina Samira, a waitress who served Manziel and his guests at Heart Bar at Planet Hollywood.
Manziel also sat down at a blackjack table and a casino employee examining his photo ID exclaimed, "We've got Johnny Manziel with us tonight," according to John Hornacek, a 43-year-old casino patron who witnessed the exchange.
Manziel, 23, started six games in his second season with the Browns but was ruled out of Sunday's game on Thursday by Pettine, who said Manziel was in the NFL's post-concussion protocol. The Browns (3-12) play host to the Pittsburgh Steelers at 1 p.m. ET.
Cleveland Browns vice president of communications Peter John Baptiste would not confirm for USA TODAY Sports whether Manziel was in Cleveland, or if club policy dictated that an inactive player's attendance was required at Sunday's game.
Manziel's rookie season ended under dubious circumstances, when he overslept before the Dec. 27, 2014 season finale while partying with teammate Josh Gordon. Gordon, who had past violations of the NFL's substance abuse policy, was eventually suspended indefinitely, and Manziel entered alcohol rehab in February 2015.
As word of Manziel's presence in Las Vegas spread on social media, he posted a photo on Instagram showing him home with his dog, with the hashtag #SaturdayNights. He later added Avon, Ohio as the photo's location.
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It probably doesn't matter, since he's inactive for todays game, but its a really bad look, IMO - if the report is true.
I find a hard time believing it. Think about it....Johnny in Vegas. Tons of people around. So many pics previously posted of Johnny on the net. And not one person thinks to take his picture?
Man, I want to give the guy the benefit of any doubt, but if this is true, then I SO WANT HIM OUT OF HERE!!!
So just how should a Multi-millionaire 23 year old spend his New Years Eve? No drunken Swan riding moments he went and had fun? Why do all assume the worst cause Las Vegas was mentioned. Now he's not aloud to go to casino's and have a good time. No Matter where he went on New Years Eve he was doomed by the Manziel Police.
If he was starting I'm sure he would have taken another path considering what happened in the bye week. But his season is over. Again no reports of him being stinking drunk - something I would expect from an ALCOHOLIC falling back to his old ways.
SO I ASSUME he did not fall back. But to ask a 23 year old single guy to NOT have fun on New Years Eve...is just plain ridiculous if you ask me. smh
So why didn't anyone take a picture of him w/their phone if he was in Vegas? Lord knows people love taking pictures of Johnny in public.
From the linked article, "We've got Johnny Manziel with us tonight," according to John Hornacek, a 43-year-old casino patron who witnessed the exchange.
So now sources are a patron of the casino. Hornacek, isn't that the guy who was on "Welcome Back Kotter"?
So why didn't anyone take a picture of him w/their phone if he was in Vegas? Lord knows people love taking pictures of Johnny in public.
I don't pretend to know whether it's true or not. I sure hope not, but then again...
It used to be you were not allowed to have cameras or video recorders on the casino floor in Vegas. Of course that was the last time I was there which was well before the age of smart phones. I don't know how that rule could still be enforced today unless you aren't allowed to have a phone in the casino.
Man, I want to give the guy the benefit of any doubt, but if this is true, then I SO WANT HIM OUT OF HERE!!!
So just how should a Multi-millionaire 23 year old spend his New Years Eve? No drunken Swan riding moments he went and had fun? Why do all assume the worst cause Las Vegas was mentioned. Now he's not aloud to go to casino's and have a good time. No Matter where he went on New Years Eve he was doomed by the Manziel Police.
If he was starting I'm sure he would have taken another path considering what happened in the bye week. But his season is over. Again no reports of him being stinking drunk - something I would expect from an ALCOHOLIC falling back to his old ways.
SO I ASSUME he did not fall back. But to ask a 23 year old single guy to NOT have fun on New Years Eve...is just plain ridiculous if you ask me. smh
Eo: If I'm reading the article correctly, it was not New Year's Eve, but rather last night!!!
There's several articles out there, but they all cite the same source - USA Today. It must have been on social media first, because the article dateline is 2:08 AM EST.
If not true, what does that say about the lack of responsibility of the media? What does it say about people jumping to conclusions? What does it say about humor nature thinking the worst of a person?
Doesn't change a thing...did they have off for him to go. Was the team allowed to go out. I assume he was there Thursday night, Friday and left sometime Saturday. Did he miss meetings? Did he break any team restrictions? Was he stinking drunk and being inapropriate NFL QB figure?
Ooooo he went to Vegas and gambled...what a piece of scum...this is just ridiculous.
I am just pointing out that I have read a ton of articles over the course of the last year about Manziel and most of them say the same thing over and over and over. We then have posters pasting these "new" articles [even though they contain NO NEW information] and posters seemingly become more cemented in their beliefs.
Dang..........I am not explaining this correctly. I don't think saying the same things over and over and over again makes things more true.
If not true, what does that say about the lack of responsibility of the media? What does it say about people jumping to conclusions? What does it say about humor nature thinking the worst of a person?
Those two words should not likely be used in the same sentence. And I did state that I like to give the benefit of any doubt...
I'd say that this trade to Dallas and picking of the highest rated QB would be a lot more valid if there was a QB in the draft that is a Andrew Luck/Payton Manning type that would be considered a "can't miss" kinda guy.
Am I missing something? I just don't see one of those in this draft.
Next, is there a player out there to be gotten via FA or trade.
Then you have to ask yourself this, If Jerry Jones wants Manziel as badly as some are saying, I'd want more than a 5th or 6th rounder for him. To be honest, he's worth more than that IMO.
I think it makes a great story... but I guess I see some serious issues with believing it will actually occur.
In a perfect world, we change Coaching staffs and find someone that can design an offensive system to take advantage of Manziels abilities. Then we change a GM and find one that can find complementary pieces to fit this new Offense.
I have no illusions about how difficult that might be.
He is the most important part of a 3-12 team and the day before a game he is not even in the city? I would hope that he would be cramming his head full of film. Again, I don't know what is true (I hope it isn't); I simply am commenting on a post...
I know what you mean. You have a singular story that turns into a storm because media people are citing each other as sources, rather than someone who actually witnessed anything. The article did cite and identify a waitress and a casino patron, FWIW.
Johnny Manziel Reportedly ID'd Gambling at Las Vegas Casino Before Week 17
By Timothy Rapp , Featured Columnist Jan 3, 2016 link
Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel was reportedly seen eating and gambling at the Planet Hollywood casino in Las Vegas Saturday night, according to Scott Boeck of USA Today.
However, the quarterback posted a picture to Instagram on Saturday night, adding the location of the picture to Avon, Ohio.
Manziel, 23, started six games and appeared in nine contests for the Cleveland Browns this season, throwing for 1,500 yards, seven touchdowns and five interceptions. However, he was ruled out of Sunday's season finale due to a concussion.
According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer, Manziel was at the team's facility on Saturday morning before being spotted in Las Vegas later that evening.
Manziel, who entered rehab last offseason to combat a drinking problem, was already benched this season after video surfaced of the quarterback partying in a club during the team's bye week. Manziel then lied about the incident both publicly and to head coach Mike Pettine, leading to his temporary demotion.
"It wasn't coach Pettine's fault that I did what I did," Manziel said while publicly commenting that he hoped Pettine had a future with the organization, per Cabot. "It was just on my end taking responsibility and there's no grudges, there's no hate or anything like that. He's our head coach and our leader, and I definitely have a respect for him and that's not going to change—no matter what."
Despite Manziel's public defense of his coach, Cabot reported that the organization is set to make sweeping changes this offseason in a "likely blow-up of [the] Browns regime."
And Manziel's own future that may be called into question after he was spotted at a Las Vegas casino this weekend and was seen in another video drinking on Christmas Eve.
He is the most important part of a 3-12 team and the day before a game he is not even in the city? I would hope that he would be cramming his head full of film. Again, I don't know what is true (I hope it isn't); I simply am commenting on a post...
I understand the work ethic part but what is the point of cramming anything? He won't be dressed for the game and why study a gameplan of a coaching staff that will be fired tonight or tomorrow. Everything is going to get blown up again and I imagine the whole team can't wait for this season to end.
Maybe it was just some guy whose name is John Manziel and the guy checking the id thought it was funny and the waitress has no idea what he looks like.
I care. You're having a losing season and your teammates are expected to have their butts handed to them, and you're not even emotionally or otherwise involved? Is tere nothing that you can add to the team's chances even if you're not playing?
I care. You're having a losing season and your teammates are expected to have their butts handed to them, and you're not even emotionally or otherwise involved? Is tere nothing that you can add to the team's chances even if you're not playing?
32...anyone who believes Manziel gives a freaking damn about the Cleveland Browns, is a fool.
Johnny has always been about Johnny first..whatever lil johnny wants, he gets...that is who Haslam drafted and I see no evidence that Johnny boy will ever change.
He's the typical spoiled rich boy, who does as he pleases, whenever he wants.
You're having a losing season and your teammates are expected to have their butts handed to them,
That would make me want to go to Vegas..
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you're not even emotionally or otherwise involved?
No, I'm not... I didn't even go to the game today..Columbus texted me last night if I was coming up to tailgate...Being on the board answers that question.
Oh and Johnny being emotionally involved ? The game hasn't started yet.. Whose to say he won't be on the sidelines..
Johnny Manziel confirmed to have taken a dump at the McDonalds rest room in Cleveland. Stay tuned as more details, pictures and other worthless garble comes about.
This is utter Bull! He was at my House helping us take down the Christmas Lights! I figured he already has a concussion, so if he fell off the ladder..no big deal! I live in the USA and am posting this TODAY and like Sports. So this is an ABSOLUTELY confirmed Post by USA TODAY Sports.
I would hope that he would be cramming his head full of film.
How do you cram with a concussion ?.. Why do you cram when the season is over ?.. Why does the media cram this up our asses ?
Johnny can't dress for the game, Johnny can't practice for the game, Johnny's not playing in the game.
Johnny's season is over, after today's game, everyone's season is over..
Johnny's in Vegas maybe... Who the hell cares, the season is over..
People really give a crap that someone's whose season is over is living their life outside of the game..
This team stinks so bad that the only thing people get excited about is a player whose season is over...SMH
How I feel to...my God the standards people hold Johnny to...I dont give a crap if he was in Vegas...id want to run from this train wreck to...I'd be curious if they hold themselves to the same level of scrutiny umm...yeah I'm sure they do
Manziel actually posted a picture.....with his dog at home in his living room. LOL
Now, it could be an old picture. But I tend to believe someone just wanted to stir up some crap with this story. As Vers said, "Where's the picture from Vegas?"
Johnny Manziel spotted in Las Vegas on Saturday night despite concussion, according to USA Today report
By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com Follow on Twitter on January 03, 2016 at 1:10 AM, updated January 03, 2016 at 8:54 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Johnny Manziel, who will sit out Sunday's season finale against the Steelers with a concussion, was spotted Saturday at Las Vegas' Planet Hollywood casino, employees and patrons told USA Today Sports.
Manziel was diagnosed with a concussion on Wednesday afternoon after reporting symptoms to the medical staff that morning.
USA Today reported that he paid cash for a meal at the Heart Bar at Planet Hollywood, and interviewed Tina Samira, a waitress who served Manziel and his guests.
A casino employee also examined Manziel's photo ID at a blackjack table and said "we've got Johnny Manziel with us tonight," John Hornacek, 43, a patron who was there at the time, told USA Today.
Browns Vice President of Communications Peter John-Baptiste would not confirm for USA TODAY Sports if Manziel was in Cleveland. He told cleveland.com the report was untrue when USA Today MLB digital editor Scott Boeck first tweeted it.
He added that Manziel was at the Browns facility on Saturday morning.
Because Manziel has been diagnosed with a concussion, he does not have to attend the game. But the club certainly wouldn't endorse him going to Vegas with a concussion.
Manziel's agent, Erik Burkhardt, did not immediately respond to a text from cleveland.com asking if Manziel was in Las Vegas.
After word spread on social media that Manziel was in Vegas, he posted a photo of himself on Instagram with his dog and the hashtag #Saturdaynights. He later added his home in Avon, Ohio, as his location.
The report comes just two days after coach Mike Pettine made it clear that "there are problems'' with Manziel that need to be addressed in the offseason.
Sources told cleveland.com that the Browns have been increasingly concerned about Manziel's well-documented partying over the past few months -- particularly over the past few weeks.
"Here is a guy that has an NFL skill set, he's very talented, if you spend some time with him, he's a likable guy, you root for him,'' said Pettine, who's expected to be fired as early as Sunday night. "But there are problems there that we'll talk as we're headed to the offseason about getting addressed. And I've said this before, we want to make sure that all of our players are in good shape as people first, players second. Because I don't think you can be as effective as you can be as a player if things aren't right off the field. And he's a good example of that.''
He stressed that the Browns can't force him to get help again in the offseason. Last January, Manziel checked himself into an addiction treatment facility for an undisclosed issue, where he remained for 73 days. When he began admitting publicly that he was drinking -- including during his Oct. 12 roadway incident involving his girlfriend and the Avon, Ohio police -- his former high school coach Julius Scott told USA Today Sports that Manziel is "out of his mind'' if he thinks he can have a couple of drinks.
Over the past few months, Manziel has been spotted out frequently at local bars. On Christmas Eve, three days before he started in Kansas City, a video was posted to social media of him drinking a Four Lokos, an alcoholic beverage.
"I don't think we can really mandate it, but there can be strong suggestions as far as how he handles it,'' said Pettine. "But by the rules of the league, we can't [say], 'Hey, you need to come in here and meet with Kevin O'Connell three times a week.' It's against the rules. You can't do that. You've got to be able to send him off with a plan and check in every so often, and when the desire is there to want to get it changed and want to be better, hopefully you'll have a good result."
Manziel took several hard shots to the head during Sunday's game against the Chiefs. He did not look or sound good after the game, but also had a cold. He seemed fine to those at the Browns facility on Monday and also when he came in to watch film on Tuesday.
On Wednesday morning, Manziel came to the facility complaining of symptoms and was sent to the doctor, where he was diagnosed with the concussion. The next day, he was ruled out of the game.
Austin Davis will start in his place.
If Manziel was indeed in Vegas, it adds another bizarre chapter to his endless off-the-field partying that the Browns feel is preventing him from being the best quarterback he can be.
I think most casinos have rules regarding cell phones at the gaming tables, as well as photographing people other than those in your party. Doesn't mean he was there, doesn't mean he wasn't.
If Manziel was indeed in Vegas, it adds another bizarre chapter to his endless off-the-field partying that the Browns feel is preventing him from being the best quarterback he can be.
No it adds to a more bizarre reason why the media or anyone else gives a crap.
If not true, what does that say about the lack of responsibility of the media? What does it say about people jumping to conclusions? What does it say about humor nature thinking the worst of a person?
What's it say about the cocaine cowboys character that this is even a question?
I asked this in the last post that got locked...I wish he would just come out and say what he went in for...not that its anyones business..but I didnt know if rehab dealt with people whose lives are a wreck for reasons other then drinking drugs...Do people go there for reasons other then drinking/drugs??
Honest question I have no dealings with this stuff or know anyone personally who has been to rehab.
I think most casinos have rules regarding cell phones at the gaming tables, as well as photographing people other than those in your party. Doesn't mean he was there, doesn't mean he wasn't.
I get the impression that there are people on this board that want to crucify this kid.
Did you complain about Joe Haden playing basketball w/a concussion?
I think most casinos have rules regarding cell phones at the gaming tables, as well as photographing people other than those in your party. Doesn't mean he was there, doesn't mean he wasn't.
I get the impression that there are people on this board that want to crucify this kid.
Did you complain about Joe Haden playing basketball w/a concussion?
Better question: why are you shooting the messenger? I've been pretty careful to say I didn't know if the story was true or not, because I don't. At least I didn't post a freaking Twitter message from Joe Nobody and claim it was legit. The citation is a recognized news organization. If you have a problem, its with them.
You can't take a breath in a Vegas casino without it being on video. If there was such a video of him anywhere I'm sure TMZ would have already purchased it. It any event, who cares, this is just getting ridiculous.
In other news, Johnny Mansell was in a Vegas casino last night, playing blackjack.
I think it matters. If a guy wants to be the face of the franchise, our #1 QB, a leader - which a QB needs to be, then you stay in town for the game, take part in preparations whether you're active or not, and you hit the damned gaming table Sunday night after the game and the season are over. If this story is true, its a big middle finger by Manziel to the Browns organization, his teammates, and the fans - IMO.
If he's late or not at the game today, yeah I'd agree he's not showing he wants to be part of this team. But if they clean house, he's more than likely not going to be part of this team anyway.
I'm on board with Dave's post immediately above. And no, there is no pic so far, nor concrete evidence to firm up any opinion. There is however, a lot of "history" which may make the scenario plausible...
Johnny has the money to fly to Vegas, have dinner and do a bit of gambling, and be back at work the next day. He wasn't reported to be doing anything improper. It would be the same as any of us spending an off night up at Dave and Busters...but on a Manziel scale.
I think it matters. If a guy wants to be the face of the franchise, our #1 QB, a leader - which a QB needs to be, then you stay in town for the game, take part in preparations whether you're active or not, and you hit the damned gaming table Sunday night after the game and the season are over. If this story is true, its a big middle finger by Manziel to the Browns organization, his teammates, and the fans - IMO.
Browns issue no comment on report of Johnny Manziel in Las Vegas
A Browns spokesman had no comment on a USA Today report that concussed quarterback Johnny Manziel was spotted Saturday night dining and gambling at Las Vegas’ Planet Hollywood casino.
Peter John-Baptiste, Browns vice president of communications, confirmed Manziel was not at FirstEnergy Stadium for the Browns’ final game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, but said he was not required to be in attendance.
Manziel was diagnosed with a concussion on Wednesday, after he complained of concussion symptoms three days after he ran for 108 yards in a loss in Kansas City last Sunday. Manziel entered league concussion protocol at that point.
USA Today reported Manziel’s presence at the casino was confirmed by a casino employee who checked his ID and a patron who witnessed the exchange.
This is the second time in Manziel’s two seasons that he was not even active observer at the Browns’ final game of the year.
In 2014, Manziel spent the Browns’ game in Baltimore banished to the visitor’s locker room after he missed a rehab session to treat a hamstring injury. Manziel traveled with the team to Baltimore, but was not allowed on the sideline during the game by the team.
Does it matter if you don't have proof that he was actually there?
My thoughts.
Does anyone know if Johnny has a private plane?
Getting a flight out of Cleveland into Vegas and back during New Years I want to know his travel agent! Ok, so maybe he chartered a plane. Even still flight planing and organization must be top notch.
Even if he was there, it says he was EATING and gambling. The hate foir this guy is unbelieveable. He can't be on the field for this game, so what if he was in Vegas.
It didn't say he was drinking or drunk, for all you morality police.
The kids season is over, and if most have their way he will be traded, and we will draft another spread QB with less talent and bitch about him for the next year.
Small QB likes to run around getting hurt so he can't play today.... how did that happen? lol Johnny will get hurt a lot, Period. He's very small and he puts himself in the position to get creamed often. How many concussions does he have in him? Even if we keep Johnny we better draft a backup plan.
I don't think he went to Vegas, but if he did who cares? Really who cares?
He is out of the game and not mandated to even show up due to concussion. Season is over for him, coach is likely to be fired and he will most likely be traded. If I were him I'd do whatever I wanted just to thumb my nose one last time at Pettine.
1 - if he is indeed in vegas, if his concussion is so bad that he can't play then he shouldn't be capable to go to Vegas and have a good time. He would be miserable.
2 - if he wants to be a leader of this team then he should be at the game. I don't know about some outhouse players someone listed but I id see McCown there.
Manziel needs to go. Sorry! Simply put, he is a distraction we cannot afford. He is immature and unprepared for the NFL. Hope he goes with O'Neil, Farmer, Bowe and Pett.
Johnny Manziel Reportedly ID'd Gambling at Las Vegas Casino Before Week 17 By Timothy Rapp , Featured Columnist Jan 3, 2016
Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel was reportedly seen eating and gambling at the Planet Hollywood casino in Las Vegas on Saturday night, according to Scott Boeck of USA Today.
According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer, Manziel was at the team's facility on Saturday morning before being spotted in Las Vegas later that evening. However, Cabot noted the Browns "do not know if [Manziel] was in Vegas on Saturday."
However, the quarterback posted a picture to Instagram on Saturday night, adding Avon, Ohio, as the location of the picture.
Following a Week 17 defeat to the Pittsburgh Steelers, head coach Mike Pettine, when asked by reporters if Manziel was in Las Vegas, responded: "I don't know, I wasn't."
Manziel, 23, started six games and appeared in nine contests for the Cleveland Browns this season, throwing for 1,500 yards, seven touchdowns and five interceptions. However, he was ruled out of Sunday's season finale due to a concussion.
Manziel, who entered rehab last offseason to combat a drinking problem, was already benched this season after video surfaced of the quarterback partying in a club during the team's bye week. Manziel then lied about the incident both publicly and to Pettine, leading to his temporary demotion.
"It wasn't coach Pettine's fault that I did what I did," Manziel said while publicly commenting that he hoped Pettine had a future with the organization, per Cabot. "It was just on my end taking responsibility and there's no grudges, there's no hate or anything like that. He's our head coach and our leader, and I definitely have a respect for him and that's not going to change—no matter what."
Despite Manziel's public defense of his coach, Cabot reported that the organization is set to make sweeping changes this offseason in a "likely blow-up of [the] Browns regime."
And Manziel's own future may be called into question after he was spotted at a Las Vegas casino this weekend and was seen drinking on Christmas Eve in another video.
I have no issue with what Manziel does on his days off.
However, on game day, you are an NFL PLAYER. Get your butt to the game, observe, learn your division rivals, take notes, be a part of it, GROW UP and take responsibility,
There is no reason for him being able to go to the casino but not at least be present in the stadium to be part of what is supposed to be YOUR TEAM.
I have no issue with what Manziel does on his days off.
However, on game day, you are an NFL PLAYER. Get your butt to the game, observe, learn your division rivals, take notes, be a part of it, GROW UP and take responsibility,
There is no reason for him being able to go to the casino but not at least be present in the stadium to be part of what is supposed to be YOUR TEAM.
There is no excuse for today! NONE, NONE!
Exactly. A true leadership figure would have been at the game today. The Browns have their answer. Good riddance to the drama queen.
Who cares if he went to Vegas? What is this? Where's Waldo?
He can do whatever he wants. And he did, even if he didn't go to Vegas.
And? It was cool to see Luke McCown on the sidelines, cheering when he could, but always sitting down with Austin Davis on the bench going over things.
McCown and Manziel. One is a pro in every fashion of the word. One isn't.
Who cares if he went to Vegas? What is this? Where's Waldo?
He can do whatever he wants. And he did, even if he didn't go to Vegas.
And? It was cool to see Luke McCown on the sidelines, cheering when he could, but always sitting down with Austin Davis on the bench going over things.
McCown and Manziel. One is a pro in every fashion of the word. One isn't.
Josh McCown will be here next season. Johnny Drama Queen will not. Browns are already improving based on that alone.
Who cares if he went to Vegas? What is this? Where's Waldo?
He can do whatever he wants. And he did, even if he didn't go to Vegas.
And? It was cool to see Luke McCown on the sidelines, cheering when he could, but always sitting down with Austin Davis on the bench going over things.
McCown and Manziel. One is a pro in every fashion of the word. One isn't.
Listen to Joe Thomas' post game presser to answer any and all questions about Manziel
One isn't in the concussion protocol and is allowed on the sidelines..
One is in the concussion protocol and is NOT allowed on the sidelines..
Got it.
And, I also said "Luke McCown", when obviously I meant Josh. My bad there.
However, even if not allowed on the sideline, were I manziel, I would've been at the stadium. In the owners box, in the oc's box, in the locker room - somewhere. That's just me, and I know I'm not an nfl player.
Exactly Arch. Joe Thomas sounded totally defeated in the post game presser and his response to Manziel questions was not glowing. I just feel so bad for JT being saddled with Manziel and his egocentric apathy.
However, even if not allowed on the sideline, were I manziel, I would've been at the stadium. In the owners box, in the oc's box, in the locker room - somewhere. That's just me, and I know I'm not an nfl player.
Again.. can you prove that Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams were at the game ?
Have Moore, Haden, Winston and Williams had the issues that Manziel has? Manziel screwed his rookie year and the Browns at the same time. Themother four are not the monumental distraction that 'Manziel is.
Manziel seeks way to much media recognition to showcase his stupidity and egocentricity!
Exactly Arch. Joe Thomas sounded totally defeated in the post game presser and his response to Manziel questions was not glowing. I just feel so bad for JT being saddled with Manziel and his egocentric apathy.
Again.. can you prove that Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams were at the game ?
First, it's Haden. Second, nobody cares about Moore and Winston because they are dime a dozen special-teamers, not the former 1st RD QB who by himself controls half of the success or failure of the franchise.
Third, no I can't prove whether they were there or not. Well I could try but I don't give a crap.
What I'll say is this, if they are true pros and teammates then they were there for their brothers and coaches unless they had legit medical/family reasons NOT to be there. If they weren't, then I want no part of them being on the team going forward either.
Just like #2. I don't even respect him enough to call him by his name anymore. He wants to behave like an after-thought special-teamer then that's how he'll get treated.
However, even if not allowed on the sideline, were I manziel, I would've been at the stadium. In the owners box, in the oc's box, in the locker room - somewhere. That's just me, and I know I'm not an nfl player.
Again.. can you prove that Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams were at the game ?
Exactly Arch. Joe Thomas sounded totally defeated in the post game presser and his response to Manziel questions was not glowing. I just feel so bad for JT being saddled with Manziel and his egocentric apathy.
I can't find his presser. Any links?
No links. I listened to it right after the game. It is very, very telling. If I find one, will forward.
I listed to the JT presser on Browns postgame. Not only did the hosts flat out admit Browns HAVE to get rid of the circus/virus that is #2, but Joe essentially said if they fire Pettine and keep #2 then he's not coming back.
However, even if not allowed on the sideline, were I manziel, I would've been at the stadium. In the owners box, in the oc's box, in the locker room - somewhere. That's just me, and I know I'm not an nfl player.
Again.. can you prove that Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams were at the game ?
No, I can not. Can you prove they weren't?
Just curious why you were not all up in arms not knowing their where abouts.
Please do, as I went to the official Browns site and didn't find anything.
Arch, Joe talked about getting older and not winning. He spoke of the setbacks when you start over and how that is especially damaging to "older" players.
He spoke of needing to know from other players that the Browns were the most important thing to them.
He spoke of his disappointment if the Manziel story is true.
Jist sad when you have guys playing their butts off with drive and dedication and silly little Manziel off in his fun little stupid world!
I have no issue with what Manziel does on his days off.
However, on game day, you are an NFL PLAYER. Get your butt to the game, observe, learn your division rivals, take notes, be a part of it, GROW UP and take responsibility,
There is no reason for him being able to go to the casino but not at least be present in the stadium to be part of what is supposed to be YOUR TEAM.
There is no excuse for today! NONE, NONE!
He's not allowed on the sidelines. Maybe he couldn't get a ticket.
Johnny Vegas. He played great today. Really showed why everyone loves him so much.... Two seasons, two final games where Johnny is nowhere to be found. How is that possible? Barely 6 foot, barely 200 pound QB that runs around taking big hits? Puts himself in dangerous situations? No way that guy ever gets hurt.... lmao
yea, i gotta agree with that. even injured, they are suppose to be there supporting the team. not partying while the rest of the team bust their asses to be on the field showing some pride at the very least.
Jist sad when you have guys playing their butts off with drive and dedication and silly little Manziel off in his fun little stupid world!
How about silly little Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams off in their fun little stupid world?
How many people have to respond, directly to you, with blatant answers to your silly little question before you stop with the nonsense? No wonder you love #2...good lord.
A couple days after winning the Super Bowl, Steve Young goes in to the Niners training facility to empty his locker. On his way out he walks past a window looking out on the practice field and he sees Jerry Rice out there, all by himself, working out running routes.
That is something Johnny doesn't have in him. Being completely dedicated to the sport and to being the best at it.
Jist sad when you have guys playing their butts off with drive and dedication and silly little Manziel off in his fun little stupid world!
How about silly little Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams off in their fun little stupid world?
How many people have to respond, directly to you, with blatant answers to your silly little question before you stop with the nonsense? No wonder you love #2...good lord.
And which one of those above is considered a "leader" on this team or the future of the franchise?
I listed to the JT presser on Browns postgame. Not only did the hosts flat out admit Browns HAVE to get rid of the circus/virus that is #2, but Joe essentially said if they fire Pettine and keep #2 then he's not coming back.
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#Browns LT Joe Thomas said he might ask for way out of organization depending on what changes are made to coaching staff, front office.
Yet ALL reports say he did everything right in the building and improved on the field. The entire question about Manziel is off field according to all reports.
Jist sad when you have guys playing their butts off with drive and dedication and silly little Manziel off in his fun little stupid world!
How about silly little Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams off in their fun little stupid world?
How many people have to respond, directly to you, with blatant answers to your silly little question before you stop with the nonsense? No wonder you love #2...good lord.
And which one of those above is considered a "leader" on this team or the future of the franchise?
Jist sad when you have guys playing their butts off with drive and dedication and silly little Manziel off in his fun little stupid world!
How about silly little Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams off in their fun little stupid world?
How many people have to respond, directly to you, with blatant answers to your silly little question before you stop with the nonsense? No wonder you love #2...good lord.
And which one of those above is considered a "leader" on this team or the future of the franchise?
Any player can step up to be a leader.
"Can" operative word. But who among them has had the opportunity and has not? You obviously are not worth my time. Bye!!
On how difficult it is to be successful in the NFL when your starting QB is completely unreliable and a ‘mess’: “I see where you are going. (Manziel’s) issues have been well documented. You say, mess. Can I say, work in progress? If you look at our season and what I just said, we have gotten great production and some damn good leadership from that room. That started with the signing of (QB) Josh McCown. He has been outstanding. He was our starter. He got hurt, Johnny stepped in and I thought (QB) Austin (Davis) did some good things, too, under some tough circumstances. I get it, but I am not going to sit here and use an excuse that just because we drafted a quarterback high and he is maybe not where he ideally should be that it was the downfall of what happened here or that was the reason.”
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
According to many posters yes, he creates and follows his own rules of egocentricity!
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
According to many posters yes, he creates and follows his own rules of egocentricity!
cj...and that type of behavior is common for addicts...addicted to drugs and/or alcohol.
But Manziel has an ace up his sleeve...he is the "owners boy"...and he knows it.
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
According to many posters yes, he creates and follows his own rules of egocentricity!
cj...and that type of behavior is common for addicts...addicted to drugs and/or alcohol.
But Manziel has an ace up his sleeve...he is the "owners boy"...and he knows it.
Unless the owner is a total and complete dunce, he knows that we are not getting anyone credible if Manziel is on the team. It is possible that he is a total and complete dunce. Let's hope his wife is smart.
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
According to many posters yes, he creates and follows his own rules of egocentricity!
cj...and that type of behavior is common for addicts...addicted to drugs and/or alcohol.
But Manziel has an ace up his sleeve...he is the "owners boy"...and he knows it.
Yep, Mac, I understand. 20 years ago I married one. However, when a desire to turn it around comes, it is obvious and evident. Manziel does not exhibit this.
And, I guess we will see if Mommy and Daddy oil are in bed with Haslam oil, and Manziel is the golden boy.
After the Thomas presser, sure hope this is not the case. This entire situation is defeating to this team.
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
According to many posters yes, he creates and follows his own rules of egocentricity!
cj...and that type of behavior is common for addicts...addicted to drugs and/or alcohol.
But Manziel has an ace up his sleeve...he is the "owners boy"...and he knows it.
Unless the owner is a total and complete dunce, he knows that we are not getting anyone credible if Manziel is on the team. It is possible that he is a total and complete dunce. Let's hope his wife is smart.
Unless the owner is a total and complete dunce, he knows that we are not getting anyone credible if Manziel is on the team. It is possible that he is a total and complete dunce. Let's hope his wife is smart.
In Dee we trust!
crfs...you need to understand, what ever word you want to use to describ Haslam, (dunce is mild), he is worse.
I honestly believe Haslam has some screws lose and he is in love Manziel to the point that Johnny can have special rules and Haslam doesn't mind.
You will notice, Haslam was silent about Pettine punishing Manziel for lying. Haslam never came out n support of Pettine.
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
I think you and CJ might be confused. I'm with you guys 100% on this. I was responded to Vambo and his silly "Yeah but was the waterboy at the game today?? Huh?? Huh?!!"
#2's actions are unacceptable...but then that's been true with him since HS and why it was such an utter total colossal cluster-f that we ever drafted him to begin with.
The sooner he's gone, the sooner we can move on and try and finally take a step forward as a franchise (at least as much as Haslam allows).
I doubt he's here next year, so I don't even care.
haven't cared all year. first year since nfl rewind came out i didn't bother getting it. knew most of the players and all the coaching staff would be gone next year.
I think you and CJ might be confused. I'm with you guys 100% on this. I was responded to Vambo and his silly "Yeah but was the waterboy at the game today?? Huh?? Huh?!!"
I don't even try to figure the JM stuff out. He may be an idiot and he may be being subverted. Who knows. I do know that most NFLers aren't being scrutinized every time they take a leak! Dump the kid if necessary or support him if you think he has something.
I honestly wonder if Haslam has not been bought off to intentionally keep this franchise from winning.
His acts are that of someone who is nuts or some kind of addict himself.
Haslam helped to create the reasons this team could not build upon last years 7-9 record and now he is going to try to blame his GM and HC.
Haslam wanted Hoyer gone and he wanted Johnny boy starting. All of the losses the Browns had on defense, Pettine didnt want that...that was Farmer with the backing of Haslam.
Yet Pettine will pay the price for Haslam dumb ass management decisions.
Should Manziel be allowed to do whatever he pleases and then lie about it, without any consequences?
So some of you believe Johnny is so special, the team rules do not apply to him. Johnny doesn't have to be a team player or support his teammates.
And this is too freaking funny...first some doubt the accuracy of the stories...then when more and more comes out and it indeed does look like Johnny went partying in Vegas last night, those people now say, so what if Johnny tried to lie his way out of it.
...it's ok if lil Johnny really didn't have a concussion and then tried to lie his way out of his night in Vegas.
I think you and CJ might be confused. I'm with you guys 100% on this. I was responded to Vambo and his silly "Yeah but was the waterboy at the game today?? Huh?? Huh?!!"
#2's actions are unacceptable...but then that's been true with him since HS and why it was such an utter total colossal cluster-f that we ever drafted him to begin with.
The sooner he's gone, the sooner we can move on and try and finally take a step forward as a franchise (at least as much as Haslam allows).
Jist sad when you have guys playing their butts off with drive and dedication and silly little Manziel off in his fun little stupid world!
How about silly little Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams off in their fun little stupid world?
How many people have to respond, directly to you, with blatant answers to your silly little question before you stop with the nonsense? No wonder you love #2...good lord.
And which one of those above is considered a "leader" on this team or the future of the franchise?
Any player can step up to be a leader.
not true.i know alot of hard working, smart people that if you put in a leadership role fall apart.
Oh Mac, you are priceless!! Haslam bought off... wow. You "honestly wonder" that scenario? LMAO!!
lamp...I laugh at it myself...but then I try to rationalize the moves this team made in the off season and I say to myself...how could Haslam and Farmer not know that those moves would hurt this team?
This is exactly the season I feared the Browns would have, once I saw those players who got the boot. I'm not the least bit surprised to see 3-13.
First, it's Haden. Second, nobody cares about Moore and Winston because they are dime a dozen special-teamers, not the former 1st RD QB who by himself controls half of the success or failure of the franchise.
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Lauren Brill @LaurenBrill5 Browns team source tells me Justin Gilbert told coaches he wouldn't go into game today. #browns
First, it's Haden. Second, nobody cares about Moore and Winston because they are dime a dozen special-teamers, not the former 1st RD QB who by himself controls half of the success or failure of the franchise.
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Lauren Brill @LaurenBrill5 Browns team source tells me Justin Gilbert told coaches he wouldn't go into game today. #browns
There's no big to-do because Justin Gilbert doesn't deserve a job in the NFL and it's widely accepted everywhere. Cut him tonight for all I care. Addition by subtraction.
Keith Britton ‏@KeithBritton86 46m46 minutes ago So what do Manziel supporters say if report is true that he showed up to #Browns facility inebriated this past week…complete mess continues
Keith Britton ‏@KeithBritton86 46m46 minutes ago So what do Manziel supporters say if report is true that he showed up to #Browns facility inebriated this past week…complete mess continues
If that is true, then cut or trade him. And this is from a guy who likes JM, and wants him to be the answer. If that is true, I want to be done with the sideshow.
Man, if this is true, just how bad did that one pick rail against the organization? You could argue that Johnny played a decent part in the fall of this organization...there are draft misses and then there are Epic Misses..this is shaping up to be an Epic Miss...ouch
Man, if this is true, just how bad did that one pick rail against the organization? You could argue that Johnny played a decent part in the fall of this organization...there are draft misses and then there are Epic Misses..this is shaping up to be an Epic Miss...ouch
ate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 29s29 seconds ago #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said Johnny Manziel did not report this morning to Berea for concussion treatment like he was supposed to
ate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 29s29 seconds ago #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said Johnny Manziel did not report this morning to Berea for concussion treatment like he was supposed to
ate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 29s29 seconds ago #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said Johnny Manziel did not report this morning to Berea for concussion treatment like he was supposed to
ate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 29s29 seconds ago #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said Johnny Manziel did not report this morning to Berea for concussion treatment like he was supposed to
I didn't see Joe Haden at the game. Did you? Are you going to rip him, too?
Against better judgement I took you off ignore to read this gem. IF Haden skipped town and then was a no-show to Berea on game day and couldn't be reached when he was expected to (not to even mention the fact these guys should support their teammates/friends/coaches however they can be it sidelines or if the can't due to concussion then from locker room or stands etc)...then YES I'll rip him as well. But there are no accounts that he did any of that.
#2 however, it was just confirmed by Haslam that he no-showed this morning when he was expected. Yeah he's a shining example of a leader for our franchise right there. Give me a break. Cut him now and let the circus finally leave town.
Johnny Manziel is a bum. He'll never be great enough to make up for how stupid he is and how much discipline he lacks. I was really rooting for him but I didn't realize that when he said he wanted to wreck this league he actually just meant he wanted to wreck the Browns even more than Farmer was already wrecking them. I hate you Johnny Manziel...We all hate you.
Yeah, John "too big for my britches" apparently didn't show up for his treatment. Kind exactly like last year.
I was hoping he'd be improving. With everything going on with him, screw him. I hope he's a big star somewhere, but I'd bet serious cash he's out of the league within 2 years. He'll never be what he might have been. Having grandpa's oil money behind you makes you not desire to work.
Pettine said that players are not allowed on the sidelines if they are in the concussion protocol, but can still go to the game.
Thank You for that answer...
AND, he should have been there at the game. Period!!
I didn't see Joe Haden at the game. Did you? Are you going to rip him, too?
I found it interesting that this protocol even existed = that you can't be at the game or be in a loud-noise or bright environment. Seems like if it was that important, they would be under some kind of specific travel / monitoring scenario to keep them safe? Why not create a dark room or some place at the field so they could be a part of the game still?
So...........do you have proof that Haden was at the game or hasn't missed treatment? How about him playing basketball while he was concussed? Care to explain that one?
Look..........my point is that there are double standards occurring. You don't agree..........fine. But I know what I know.
I have defended Manziel to an extent, but man, when Joe Thomas comes out and directly says that he wants football to matter more to Manziel if they both come back, that tells me a lot.
I got proof that JFF missed a 9 am TEAM REQUIRED appointment this morning in Berea with the training staff and was unreachable by phone when the Browns called to find out what was going on. We are pretty sure he is alive because he there were several sightings of him and his concussion in Vegas.
They probably didn't have time to send security to go find him in Vegas like they did the last time he was unreachable when he was supposed to be in Berea.
They know he keeps his cell phone handy because he likes to take videos of himself getting drunk and posting them on the internet.
I would trade Haden for a 2nd rounder to send a message if what's being rumored about him losing respect in the locker room is true. But with his contract, who would pounce on that after concussions, other injuries, and toughness issues?
No, I think he should have been at the game and should have showed up for treatment. Screw him.
I was simply pointing out the double-standards. Why isn't Joe Haden being scrutinized? Playing BB while being out for a concussion isn't an issue? Failing a drug test isn't an issue? Missing most of the season after getting a big contract isn't an issue? Yet, if JM has a beer, it's "OMG.............let's cut him NOW!!!!"
I was simply pointing out the double-standards. Why isn't Joe Haden being scrutinized? Playing BB while being out for a concussion isn't an issue? Failing a drug test isn't an issue? Missing most of the season after getting a big contract isn't an issue? Yet, if JM has a beer, it's "OMG.............let's cut him NOW!!!!"
If Haden had done the same things that Manziel did today, I would criticize him as well.
So just a questiion- since i don't do this twitter stuff.
Can a photo be marked to show a location different from where you are actually at?? Manziel had the photo with the dog marked as being in Ohio, so is it possible to manipulate it and post if from Vegas?? Cleveland to Vegas has to be a 3 hour and change flight- right? Are there any photos showing him in Vegas?? IDK, i guess i am just clinging to hope that he really isn't that stupid.
I was simply pointing out the double-standards. Why isn't Joe Haden being scrutinized? Playing BB while being out for a concussion isn't an issue? Failing a drug test isn't an issue? Missing most of the season after getting a big contract isn't an issue? Yet, if JM has a beer, it's "OMG.............let's cut him NOW!!!!"
If Haden had done the same things that Manziel did today, I would criticize him as well.
Maybe he did and no one cared enough to report it.
So just a questiion- since i don't do this twitter stuff.
Can a photo be marked to show a location different from where you are actually at?? Manziel had the photo with the dog marked as being in Ohio, so is it possible to manipulate it and post if from Vegas?? Cleveland to Vegas has to be a 3 hour and change flight- right? Are there any photos showing him in Vegas?? IDK, i guess i am just clinging to hope that he really isn't that stupid.
It can most definitely be done.
He is definitely that stupid. Remember when he was partying on the bye and told everyone it was an old video?
I was simply pointing out the double-standards. Why isn't Joe Haden being scrutinized? Playing BB while being out for a concussion isn't an issue? Failing a drug test isn't an issue? Missing most of the season after getting a big contract isn't an issue? Yet, if JM has a beer, it's "OMG.............let's cut him NOW!!!!"
If Haden had done the same things that Manziel did today, I would criticize him as well.
Maybe he did and no one cared enough to report it.
I was simply pointing out the double-standards. Why isn't Joe Haden being scrutinized? Playing BB while being out for a concussion isn't an issue? Failing a drug test isn't an issue? Missing most of the season after getting a big contract isn't an issue? Yet, if JM has a beer, it's "OMG.............let's cut him NOW!!!!"
If Haden had done the same things that Manziel did today, I would criticize him as well.
Maybe he did and no one cared enough to report it.
Finally!
Thank you.
Maybe if Manziel kept a lower profile, then people wouldn't be so quick to call him out when he acts the wrong way.
You are right that I don't like Johnny all that much. I also don't like double standards and hypocrisy.
I am not excusing JM for his sins. I just wonder why people don't talk about Gilber and Haden w/the same passion?
I think other than a very few misguided individuals on this board, most people have given up Gilbert. Nobody is calling him the next Richard Sherman and demanding that he start like they are saying JFF is Drew Brees or Russell Wilson.
I did make a post about Haden before but was asked by a ref not to talk about the particular subject if I can't post a link about it, which I can't. Right now, what I know has not made the media. Needless to say I think that the NFL will eventually make a decision for the Browns on Joe Haden next year.
I hear you. I just think that it is unfair that one guy gets so much hate while others, who are just as--if not more--guilty are never talked about and in some cases, defended.
I'll drop it...........I just have never been a fan of bullying.
You are right that I don't like Johnny all that much. I also don't like double standards and hypocrisy.
I am not excusing JM for his sins. I just wonder why people don't talk about Gilber and Haden w/the same passion?
I do And don't forget meathead lol. He's been a BIG help this season
Johnny, Meat, Leon, etc. They all have that "I'm bigger than the game" attitude. We need to find guys that want to play the game at a high level and are willing to WORK at being the best.
Looool!! Who the hell cares what the kid does? I sure don't anymore. Just look at how this franchise handled itself. I'm really tired of our stupid owner constantly berating him,when he could have just said..."Pass on him" in the first place. If anyone is to blame it's Haslam,as this is HIS franchise,and could at anytime order the firing of staff and players whenever he sees fit. But nooooo,he sat by for two drafts while that idiot Farmer wasted pick,after pick,after pick. He sat by,while Pettine played merry go round with the QBs all the time,never making anyone feel supported in the starter role. Think anyone is going to respect that as a player,when all they see is a bunch of doo doo decisions,and instability throughout? My gosh,even our OC didn't want to be here....
You are right that I don't like Johnny all that much. I also don't like double standards and hypocrisy.
I am not excusing JM for his sins. I just wonder why people don't talk about Gilber and Haden w/the same passion?
The don't bash Joe because he doesn't deserve it.
most of them don't bash Gilbert much ANYMORE is because they gave up on him during his first season.
They still bash Johnny because the wounds are still fresh. They still held out hope that he would turn his life around both on and off the field (OK most of them don't give a crap about him off the field) They really hoped he would solve our QB problems. It's a emotional reaction do to the pain, and disappointment they feel bro.
Johnny Manziel made his bed..his own actions and poor play go hand and hand..linked. He is Haslam's boy and now we wait to see if a new coach is willing to put up with his BS.
I hate football players who do not want to play in accordance with the program and/or rules. Those who do not take advantage of their opportunities are fools...Manziel is a fool, yet cherished by some.
His record dealing with drugs and alcohol are his problems/issues yet many excuse his conduct, make excuses for his behavior...nothing wrong with Johnny drinking every chance he gets, right?
...he is a "drunk" who began his love of drunkenness in HS..he was forced into alcohol counselling in college..the Browns drafted him knowing all his issues.
I will not treat johnny manziel any different than another drunk or drug addict.
You are right that I don't like Johnny all that much. I also don't like double standards and hypocrisy.
I am not excusing JM for his sins. I just wonder why people don't talk about Gilber and Haden w/the same passion?
C'mon Vers, while Manziel and Gilbert are both fruits, it's like comparing kiwi's and kumquats. The reason you don't see so much hate for Gilbert is because there's no one who's been showing him love either. For every Manziel hater on the board, there's a Manziel pimp.
Who's been pimping Gilbert? No one has blamed Pettine for making him lie, no one has blamed Pettine for "holding him back", no has been making the excuses for Gilbert like they have Manziel. So in regards to Gilbert, aside from being a blown draft pick, what is there to discuss? On top of that, Gilbert really hasn't provided the red meat that Manziel has.
As for Haden? I really don't know much one way or the other about his situation. Should they be skewered about not being at the game? I don't know. If it were a road game not too many inured players make that trip. Does anyone know if there are some sort of rules as to who and how many undressed players you can have on the sideline? That aside, I would also assume that based upon the severity of your concussion and where you are in the protocol, some players may not have the same requirements.
I will say this about Haden: I find it curious he's been out so long and had to be put on IR for it. There's no reason I can think of that I would doubt it's a legit injury, but having said that, if it is serious enough for him to miss all this time, we MAY need to consider his spot on the roster. NOT saying he should be dumped, but missing that much time for a head injury would suggest its more than just a minor bell ringer.
Good Bye Johnny. Tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, I no longer can. Another wasted 1st round pick to add to the heap. (And that heap is large and smelly)
Whether he is doing this on purpose to get cut or he is an addict I really don't care. Cut his butt as soon as you can.
It's too bad... or is it? I think the kid has something, but he certainly seems like he doesn't want to play here anymore and is a distraction for the team.
I can't blame him for wanting out of Cleveland. We are a mess, as usual.
You are right that I don't like Johnny all that much. I also don't like double standards and hypocrisy.
I am not excusing JM for his sins. I just wonder why people don't talk about Gilber and Haden w/the same passion?
The don't bash Joe because he doesn't deserve it.
most of them don't bash Gilbert much ANYMORE is because they gave up on him during his first season.
They still bash Johnny because the wounds are still fresh. They still held out hope that he would turn his life around both on and off the field (OK most of them don't give a crap about him off the field) They really hoped he would solve our QB problems. It's a emotional reaction do to the pain, and disappointment they feel bro.
That's well said. (though it does seem that Haden has issues within the locker room from some reports)
I will say one thing that really concerns me about Haden. He spent a lot of time with Gilbert over this past off-season, and we see how little that did. Manziel is supposedly one of his closest friends on the team, and we saw how Manziel has behaved. Maybe Haden is just trying to help the most troubled players on the team, but it is telling that there are rumors of concerns about him in the locker room, in addition to these issues.
I wouldn't automatically believe he was in Vegas, tab. Where are the pics?
Just saying even if he did. IT wasn't some big BASH part that he is hosting or something. If he went he went to get away from stuff for the New Year and do some gambling and maybe enjoy a show or two. He wasn't painting the town red or anything. A lot I don't know...of course I'm hearing he blew off his rehab again but I think he got pretty close with Pettine and pushed for him staying and a young kid like that I can see as a protest say screw you guys firing my HC!
It's too bad... or is it? I think the kid has something, but he certainly seems like he doesn't want to play here anymore and is a distraction for the team.
I can't blame him for wanting out of Cleveland. We are a mess, as usual.
That headline is almost funny. We haven't hired the Powers to be yet on who will be having the power on this team regarding what to do with Manziel.
Yet they can right a story that we are SO SO DONE WITH HIM? I think the story should read that Manziel is possibly done with the Browns as he so didn't want Pettine fired as several Browns players especially the O. I think they liked Flip as well as Pettine and note this would be Manziel's 3rd Offense in as many seasons with the Browns a turn off on any QB I think.
We are a mess, but Johnny is at the center of that mess. We fired most of the people responsible for setting the dumpster aflame (or at least keeping the fire going). Johnny is the main guy left. He has skills, so get something higher than a 5th or 6th, and help him pack his bags. If anyone thinks he'll magically clean up his act in Dallas... I don't know what to say to you.
If what's been reported is true (not showing up to medical yesterday), then I'm solidly in the "I've given you the benefit of the doubt for too long" crowd.
we got the second pick in the draft. unless the QB's in the draft are gonna fall to late in the 1st/2nd like the 2013 class did, then we need to pick one Goff or Lynch.
if they do fall, grab Bosa, trade up and grab one of the QB's.
Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 2h2 hours ago Ohio, USA #Browns Justin Gilbert admitted he "missed a ton of meetings last year." Why? "hard sleeper". nothing deeper than that? "no"
Originally Posted By: mac Originally Posted By: BADdog So Johnny showed up for a team meeting today.
I wonder if Johnny got out of the meeting without one of the veterans punching his lights out.
The players know exactly what Johnny pulled..faking a concussion then lying about partying his ass off in Vegas and his lame attempt to cover it up.
IMO, that is what he needs..a teammate to jack him up.
Hey, maybe Rex will let us borrow that LB that put Geno Smith in his place?
devildawg...with all the emotions and negative crap the players have endured, I could see someone like a Dansby grabbing a handful of Manziel and having a brief conversation with him...man to man.
I wonder if Johnny is too big for Cleveland? People freak out if has a beer in his hand. They pick and pick and pick and blow things out of proportion simply because they don't like the kid.
I can envision him going to a place that is a bit more tolerant of his off-field activities while finding success on the football field.
Later, Cleveland fans will say things like: "I supported Johnny the entire time and said we should have kept him." Or, "Johnny really grew-up after he left Cleveland."
I wonder if Johnny is too big for Cleveland? People freak out if has a beer in his hand. They pick and pick and pick and blow things out of proportion simply because they don't like the kid.
I can envision him going to a place that is a bit more tolerant of his off-field activities while finding success on the football field.
Later, Cleveland fans will say things like: "I supported Johnny the entire time and said we should have kept him." Or, "Johnny really grew-up after he left Cleveland."
I agree with this Vers.
My issue is not being in Berea Sunday morning when he should have been. I actually don't even care if he was at the stadium or not. I think most players in the protocol don't show up to the stadium. I don't even care if he was in Vegas. But he blew off a mandatory meeting for all players in the protocol.
Or, "Johnny really grew-up after he left Cleveland."
We all know Cleveland is like Sin City the ultimate distraction...lol
Hope you all know Bradford will be our next QB...
jmho new regime...SB and his Money Ball computer calculation has Bradford written all over it.
Forget about like or not sort of on the same theme you had...Could of sworn we had at least 5 posters advising us on how we should get a MONEY BALL type of guy to run this...we just did where are they????
Just wish people would just man up. I see praises for Hoyer but I don't remember them when he was here?
I wonder if Johnny is too big for Cleveland? People freak out if has a beer in his hand. They pick and pick and pick and blow things out of proportion simply because they don't like the kid.
I can envision him going to a place that is a bit more tolerant of his off-field activities while finding success on the football field.
Later, Cleveland fans will say things like: "I supported Johnny the entire time and said we should have kept him." Or, "Johnny really grew-up after he left Cleveland."
i will eat my hat if the punk is even in the nfl 3 years from now....
The Browns need a strong HC that can garner the respect of the team. Some coaches can reach the trouble prospects while others cant. Maybe its to late for Johnny and Justin, I really dont know. I would however like to see a strong leader and not someone that is a press puppet like Pet was.
I remember Romo having a few bumps along the way, and a guy named Rapistberger - who did pretty stupid stuff.
Problem here is, with social media and 24/7 sports "journalism", if Johnny walks funny people will be saying they saw him partying. The NFL microscope is just ridiculous, and things get blown out of proportion.
Either Manziel is a 23 kid with lots of money and no one around to parent him, or he simply wants out of the mess that is the Cleveland Browns and knows that in Jerry Jones' world, his behaviour is colorful.
It comes down to this ... he's more talented than any QB the team has had in years, and the team can't afford to waste another 1st rounder on a QB. So hire someone to the coaching staff who has rapport with the kid and try to help him make better decisions.
Not once has his effort on the field ever been in question.
I remember Romo having a few bumps along the way, and a guy named Rapistberger - who did pretty stupid stuff.
Problem here is, with social media and 24/7 sports "journalism", if Johnny walks funny people will be saying they saw him partying. The NFL microscope is just ridiculous, and things get blown out of proportion.
Either Manziel is a 23 kid with lots of money and no one around to parent him, or he simply wants out of the mess that is the Cleveland Browns and knows that in Jerry Jones' world, his behaviour is colorful.
It comes down to this ... he's more talented than any QB the team has had in years, and the team can't afford to waste another 1st rounder on a QB. So hire someone to the coaching staff who has rapport with the kid and try to help him make better decisions.
Not once has his effort on the field ever been in question.
Wow! Really? Late to meetings, no show for concussion medical check, coaches going to his home to get him prior to a game.......these are all related to the social media microscope...right? Not! Manziel is an immature and egocentric child.
You must not have heard Joe Thomas' post game presser to realize the damage this idiot is doing to this team. I will put more stock in what a real pro has to say about this situation than anyone on this board.
I remember Romo having a few bumps along the way, and a guy named Rapistberger - who did pretty stupid stuff.
Problem here is, with social media and 24/7 sports "journalism", if Johnny walks funny people will be saying they saw him partying. The NFL microscope is just ridiculous, and things get blown out of proportion.
Either Manziel is a 23 kid with lots of money and no one around to parent him, or he simply wants out of the mess that is the Cleveland Browns and knows that in Jerry Jones' world, his behaviour is colorful.
It comes down to this ... he's more talented than any QB the team has had in years, and the team can't afford to waste another 1st rounder on a QB. So hire someone to the coaching staff who has rapport with the kid and try to help him make better decisions.
Not once has his effort on the field ever been in question.
Wow! Really? Late to meetings, no show for concussion medical check, coaches going to his home to get him prior to a game.......these are all related to the social media microscope...right? Not! Manziel is an immature and egocentric child.
You must not have heard Joe Thomas' post game presser to realize the damage this idiot is doing to this team. I will put more stock in what a real pro has to say about this situation than anyone on this board.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we bring O'Connell in... a coach that had a rapport with Manziel??? Also, Loggains had a rapport with him too didn't he?
Late to meetings, no show for concussion medical check, coaches going to his home to get him prior to a game.......these are all related to the social media microscope...right?
Of course not. But the stories getting out have everything to do with social media and current microscope of 24/7 sports news.
The media loves guys like Manziel. Heck the kid makes their job easy and gives them stuff to talk about.
But he is a kid and he has a ton of talent. He needs help. And the team has invested a few million reasons on why they should help him.
Late to meetings, no show for concussion medical check, coaches going to his home to get him prior to a game.......these are all related to the social media microscope...right?
Of course not. But the stories getting out have everything to do with social media and current microscope of 24/7 sports news.
The media loves guys like Manziel. Heck the kid makes their job easy and gives them stuff to talk about.
But he is a kid and he has a ton of talent. He needs help. And the team has invested a few million reasons on why they should help him.
Nah, this crap has come out for years, long before twitter etc.. We knew about Namath shenanigans, didn't we?
I remember Romo having a few bumps along the way, and a guy named Rapistberger - who did pretty stupid stuff.
Problem here is, with social media and 24/7 sports "journalism", if Johnny walks funny people will be saying they saw him partying. The NFL microscope is just ridiculous, and things get blown out of proportion.
Either Manziel is a 23 kid with lots of money and no one around to parent him, or he simply wants out of the mess that is the Cleveland Browns and knows that in Jerry Jones' world, his behaviour is colorful.
It comes down to this ... he's more talented than any QB the team has had in years, and the team can't afford to waste another 1st rounder on a QB. So hire someone to the coaching staff who has rapport with the kid and try to help him make better decisions.
Not once has his effort on the field ever been in question.
Then why wasn't he on the field yesterday? Oh right. He was HURT. A circumstance that will be repeated over and over again. Why? He's TINY and he LOVES to put himself in dangerous situations running around every play. So we should pass on trying to find a QB because Johnny may play part of a season? We should build an offense around him so he can run out of the pocket because he HIMSELF said he can't see much in the pocket all so Johnny can play part of a season. Two seasons and twice he's failed to play the final game due to injury. We're saved. *snicker*
I don't want to trade Manziel. Punks like this deserve getting suspended for next season. I don't want him to be able to throw a temper tantrum to get himself off the team. If he doesn't want to be on the team, fine. He's no longer on the team, but we still have his rights. He's still ours.
I don't want to trade Manziel. Punks like this deserve getting suspended for next season. I don't want him to be able to throw a temper tantrum to get himself off the team. If he doesn't want to be on the team, fine. He's no longer on the team, but we still have his rights. He's still ours.
I don't want to trade Manziel. Punks like this deserve getting suspended for next season. I don't want him to be able to throw a temper tantrum to get himself off the team. If he doesn't want to be on the team, fine. He's no longer on the team, but we still have his rights. He's still ours.
That's ridiculous and bad business. Just trade him and be done with it. Throw in Gordon also. Be done with the both of them. The Brown's just don't know how to develop and handle young players.
I don't want to trade Manziel. Punks like this deserve getting suspended for next season. I don't want him to be able to throw a temper tantrum to get himself off the team. If he doesn't want to be on the team, fine. He's no longer on the team, but we still have his rights. He's still ours.
That's ridiculous and bad business. Just trade him and be done with it. Throw in Gordon also. Be done with the both of them. The Brown's just don't know how to develop and handle young players.
First of all, there's precedent. More than a fair share of teams have sat on the rights of players. Second of all, Oh no, the Browns are bad at business. Whatever will we do?
It should be a given that when your job is on the line, the last thing you want to do is show up to work still drunk from the night before. Apparently nobody ever sat Johnny Manziel down and spelled that out for him — and the Cleveland Browns took the hit for it.
In the wake of Cleveland unloading personnel at the regular season's end, reports of Manziel showing up to practice "inebriated" have surfaced.
This also comes on the heels of Manziel being inactive for Sunday's game with a concussion after photos of the trouble-magnet quarterback partying in Las Vegas the night before became public.
What's worse is that it sounds as though Cleveland tried to keep these infractions in-house, and it didn't work. According to the New York Daily News:
The troubled quarterback showed up “disheveled and inebriated” at the Browns’ facility at some point last week, Tony Grossi reported during the Browns’ postgame show on ESPN Radio’s Cleveland affiliate Sunday. Grossi, who covered the Browns for years for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, said on the show that he asked Mike Pettine if he could confirm what he had been hearing; that Manziel was “inebriated” at practice on Tuesday.
"He denied that that happened on Tuesday,” Grossi said. “But other people I’ve talked to said that it happened the next day, on Wednesday.”
Pettine, along with GM Ray Farmer, was fired by Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam after Sunday's 28-12 loss to the Steelers.
Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported that Manziel broke team rules by not reporting to the medical staff on Sunday morning prior to the game against Pittsburgh and that "the team couldn't find him for hours."
It's bad enough that the guy can't seem to stay away from the booze when he's away from the gridiron. It's a whole other bushel of trouble when that behavior comes to work with him.
King suggests that Manziel might be trying to "party his way out of Cleveland." With how big of a mess he is, it would be a wonder if any team would want to pick him up.
My only question is, how does Grossi know? Didn't he pretty much burn all his bridges to the organization after the Lerner thing? Wasn't there a Haslam thing as well?
My only question is, how does Grossi know? Didn't he pretty much burn all his bridges to the organization after the Lerner thing? Wasn't there a Haslam thing as well?
CHS...shoot the messenger because you don't like the message?
It should be a given that when your job is on the line, the last thing you want to do is show up to work still drunk from the night before. Apparently nobody ever sat Johnny Manziel down and spelled that out for him — and the Cleveland Browns took the hit for it.
In the wake of Cleveland unloading personnel at the regular season's end, reports of Manziel showing up to practice "inebriated" have surfaced.
This also comes on the heels of Manziel being inactive for Sunday's game with a concussion after photos of the trouble-magnet quarterback partying in Las Vegas the night before became public.
What's worse is that it sounds as though Cleveland tried to keep these infractions in-house, and it didn't work. According to the New York Daily News:
The troubled quarterback showed up “disheveled and inebriated” at the Browns’ facility at some point last week, Tony Grossi reported during the Browns’ postgame show on ESPN Radio’s Cleveland affiliate Sunday. Grossi, who covered the Browns for years for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, said on the show that he asked Mike Pettine if he could confirm what he had been hearing; that Manziel was “inebriated” at practice on Tuesday.
"He denied that that happened on Tuesday,” Grossi said. “But other people I’ve talked to said that it happened the next day, on Wednesday.”
Pettine, along with GM Ray Farmer, was fired by Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam after Sunday's 28-12 loss to the Steelers.
Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported that Manziel broke team rules by not reporting to the medical staff on Sunday morning prior to the game against Pittsburgh and that "the team couldn't find him for hours."
It's bad enough that the guy can't seem to stay away from the booze when he's away from the gridiron. It's a whole other bushel of trouble when that behavior comes to work with him.
King suggests that Manziel might be trying to "party his way out of Cleveland." With how big of a mess he is, it would be a wonder if any team would want to pick him up.
stupid internet!!! wouldn't have happened if there was no internet !!!
My only question is, how does Grossi know? Didn't he pretty much burn all his bridges to the organization after the Lerner thing? Wasn't there a Haslam thing as well?
CHS...shoot the messenger because you don't like the message?
No. I'm just wondering if Grossi is considered a fairly credible source. With a transitioning leadership period, I want to know if I can count on his words about other things. I already made my JFF thoughts known and well. I do not like him. Again, this is just about if Grossi had any real "insiders" anymore
i'm simply saying the <...> thing might be a little blown out of proportion.
taking the specifics out of it, look at that sentence.
How many times in the past two years has it been applied to Manziel, and how frequently has the benefit-of-the-doubt proven to be unwarranted?
People want to believe in the kid sooooo hard, but all he does is let people down. Yet people continue to line up to be let down time after time.
Everyone is willing to look the other way at every last indiscretion simply because he might (and MIGHT still strongly applies) be capable of being the answer at QB for a franchise perpetually mired in crap.
Flat out: the kid simply is not all that great, and he definitely isn't good enough to put up with all of the drama.
It should be a given that when your job is on the line, the last thing you want to do is show up to work still drunk from the night before. Apparently nobody ever sat Johnny Manziel down and spelled that out for him — and the Cleveland Browns took the hit for it.
In the wake of Cleveland unloading personnel at the regular season's end, reports of Manziel showing up to practice "inebriated" have surfaced.
This also comes on the heels of Manziel being inactive for Sunday's game with a concussion after photos of the trouble-magnet quarterback partying in Las Vegas the night before became public.
What's worse is that it sounds as though Cleveland tried to keep these infractions in-house, and it didn't work. According to the New York Daily News:
The troubled quarterback showed up “disheveled and inebriated” at the Browns’ facility at some point last week, Tony Grossi reported during the Browns’ postgame show on ESPN Radio’s Cleveland affiliate Sunday. Grossi, who covered the Browns for years for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, said on the show that he asked Mike Pettine if he could confirm what he had been hearing; that Manziel was “inebriated” at practice on Tuesday.
"He denied that that happened on Tuesday,” Grossi said. “But other people I’ve talked to said that it happened the next day, on Wednesday.”
Pettine, along with GM Ray Farmer, was fired by Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam after Sunday's 28-12 loss to the Steelers.
Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported that Manziel broke team rules by not reporting to the medical staff on Sunday morning prior to the game against Pittsburgh and that "the team couldn't find him for hours."
It's bad enough that the guy can't seem to stay away from the booze when he's away from the gridiron. It's a whole other bushel of trouble when that behavior comes to work with him.
King suggests that Manziel might be trying to "party his way out of Cleveland." With how big of a mess he is, it would be a wonder if any team would want to pick him up.
I listened to Pettine's press conference and he was specifically asked if Manziel showed up drunk at the complex one day last week and Pettine said no.
Pettine also said that he knew that Manziel was not supposed to be on the sideline and would not have traveled with the team, but said he would have to check to see if Johnny was required to be at the stadium at all. He didn't seem like he knew the answer. He said that he didn't know the NFL protocol for a concussed player and then whoever asked the question if according to the Brown's rules "did Manziel have to be at the stadium" and Pet said he would have to check. Sorta weird. He also said that (about 5:15 Pm yesterday) when the presser was that he did not see Manziel in the stadium and he didn't seem to know that Manziel was to be at the facility at 9 am for treatment. It was also the first that he heard reports that Johnny might had been in Vegas on Saturday. He didn't really answer the question at first if Manziel was allowed to travel on his own or if he had to be there. Pet did say after a couple iterations that it would be disheartening if Manziel did go off to Vegas.
hey i'm in agreement that manziel screwed up. he missed treatment, and none of the other players were dumb enough to be in vegas during game day.
i'm simply saying the sideline thing might be a little blown out of proportion.
And I certainly don't have a problem with him not being on the sideline because.........he couldn't be.
I have a problem with him being in Vegas Sat. I have a problem with him skipping his mandatory treatment Sunday morning.
Back up a week, and yeah, I question why his headache only appeared on Wednesday when there are also reports he showed up drunk on Wednesday and got sent home. Nothing corroborated, of course.
But like I said yesterday, where there's smoke, there's fire. It's not like this is the first smoke with Manziel.
Also, why would he go to vegas on Saturday when he knows he has to show up Sunday morning for treatment? Cleveland doesn't have restaurants, or a casino?
Who knows whats up. I was pulling for him the last 3rd of the season or so. I thought he might be changing his tune. It doesn't appear he his. Too many smokes equals a guaranteed fire.
It should be a given that when your job is on the line, the last thing you want to do is show up to work still drunk from the night before. Apparently nobody ever sat Johnny Manziel down and spelled that out for him — and the Cleveland Browns took the hit for it.
In the wake of Cleveland unloading personnel at the regular season's end, reports of Manziel showing up to practice "inebriated" have surfaced.
This also comes on the heels of Manziel being inactive for Sunday's game with a concussion after photos of the trouble-magnet quarterback partying in Las Vegas the night before became public.
What's worse is that it sounds as though Cleveland tried to keep these infractions in-house, and it didn't work. According to the New York Daily News:
The troubled quarterback showed up “disheveled and inebriated” at the Browns’ facility at some point last week, Tony Grossi reported during the Browns’ postgame show on ESPN Radio’s Cleveland affiliate Sunday. Grossi, who covered the Browns for years for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, said on the show that he asked Mike Pettine if he could confirm what he had been hearing; that Manziel was “inebriated” at practice on Tuesday.
"He denied that that happened on Tuesday,” Grossi said. “But other people I’ve talked to said that it happened the next day, on Wednesday.”
Pettine, along with GM Ray Farmer, was fired by Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam after Sunday's 28-12 loss to the Steelers.
Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported that Manziel broke team rules by not reporting to the medical staff on Sunday morning prior to the game against Pittsburgh and that "the team couldn't find him for hours."
It's bad enough that the guy can't seem to stay away from the booze when he's away from the gridiron. It's a whole other bushel of trouble when that behavior comes to work with him.
King suggests that Manziel might be trying to "party his way out of Cleveland." With how big of a mess he is, it would be a wonder if any team would want to pick him up.
I listened to Pettine's press conference and he was specifically asked if Manziel showed up drunk at the complex one day last week and Pettine said no.
Pettine also said that he knew that Manziel was not supposed to be on the sideline and would not have traveled with the team, but said he would have to check to see if Johnny was required to be at the stadium at all. He didn't seem like he knew the answer. He said that he didn't know the NFL protocol for a concussed player and then whoever asked the question if according to the Brown's rules "did Manziel have to be at the stadium" and Pet said he would have to check. Sorta weird. He also said that (about 5:15 Pm yesterday) when the presser was that he did not see Manziel in the stadium and he didn't seem to know that Manziel was to be at the facility at 9 am for treatment. It was also the first that he heard reports that Johnny might had been in Vegas on Saturday. He didn't really answer the question at first if Manziel was allowed to travel on his own or if he had to be there. Pet did say after a couple iterations that it would be disheartening if Manziel did go off to Vegas.
Quote:
Grossi, who covered the Browns for years for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, said on the show that he asked Mike Pettine if he could confirm what he had been hearing; that Manziel was “inebriated” at practice on Tuesday.
"He denied that that happened on Tuesday,” Grossi said. “But other people I’ve talked to said that it happened the next day, on Wednesday.”
It should be a given that when your job is on the line, the last thing you want to do is show up to work still drunk from the night before. Apparently nobody ever sat Johnny Manziel down and spelled that out for him — and the Cleveland Browns took the hit for it.
In the wake of Cleveland unloading personnel at the regular season's end, reports of Manziel showing up to practice "inebriated" have surfaced.
This also comes on the heels of Manziel being inactive for Sunday's game with a concussion after photos of the trouble-magnet quarterback partying in Las Vegas the night before became public.
What's worse is that it sounds as though Cleveland tried to keep these infractions in-house, and it didn't work. According to the New York Daily News:
The troubled quarterback showed up “disheveled and inebriated” at the Browns’ facility at some point last week, Tony Grossi reported during the Browns’ postgame show on ESPN Radio’s Cleveland affiliate Sunday. Grossi, who covered the Browns for years for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, said on the show that he asked Mike Pettine if he could confirm what he had been hearing; that Manziel was “inebriated” at practice on Tuesday.
"He denied that that happened on Tuesday,” Grossi said. “But other people I’ve talked to said that it happened the next day, on Wednesday.”
Pettine, along with GM Ray Farmer, was fired by Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam after Sunday's 28-12 loss to the Steelers.
Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported that Manziel broke team rules by not reporting to the medical staff on Sunday morning prior to the game against Pittsburgh and that "the team couldn't find him for hours."
It's bad enough that the guy can't seem to stay away from the booze when he's away from the gridiron. It's a whole other bushel of trouble when that behavior comes to work with him.
King suggests that Manziel might be trying to "party his way out of Cleveland." With how big of a mess he is, it would be a wonder if any team would want to pick him up.
No offense to anyone, but Grossi is freaking blackballed in Berea. He has no sources. He would be the last person to ever break a story about anything Browns related. he burned his bridge and the only way he can make himself relevant is by writing a story about Manziel that has no legitimacy.
Does anyone think Johnny football could get past mary Kay Cabot while intoxicated when he cant fart without her writing about what he had for dinner the night before.
No offense to anyone, but Grossi is freaking blackballed in Berea. He has no sources. He would be the last person to ever break a story about anything Browns related. he burned his bridge and the only way he can make himself relevant is by writing a story about Manziel that has no legitimacy.
Does anyone think Johnny football could get past mary Kay Cabot while intoxicated when he cant fart without her writing about what he had for dinner the night before.
Do you think she would cover this up for Manziel though, or no?
No offense to anyone, but Grossi is freaking blackballed in Berea. He has no sources. He would be the last person to ever break a story about anything Browns related. he burned his bridge and the only way he can make himself relevant is by writing a story about Manziel that has no legitimacy.
Does anyone think Johnny football could get past mary Kay Cabot while intoxicated when he cant fart without her writing about what he had for dinner the night before.
SOOOO True!!!! You definitely speak the truth, Mary Kay has had a wide on for JM forever & Grossi is definitely restricted in Berea. Excellent observation.
I am one of his biggest fans and I recognize his talent on the field but I also recognize what he is when he isnt on the field and thats a drunken version of the peter pan from the Geiko commercial lol
I keep reading that enough is enough, cut him, trade him, he is a punk, he is the Cocaine Cowboy, he is the devil reincarnated, etc.......
You are so morally sound. I have a hunch [well, more than a hunch] that if Gordon is reinstated, the very same people who have went off about Johnny's mistakes will welcome Gordon back w/open arms.
If this doesn't demonstrate they hypocritical nature of many of our posters, I don't know what does????? Gordon's past is WAY WORSE than Johnny's?
Johnny was not kicked out of two universities.
Johnny was not arrested for a DUI.
Johnny was not suspended twice by the NFL.
Johnny did not dog it on the field like Gordon did.
Johnny was not pulled over in a car w/marijuana in it.
So...........if y'all wanna run Johnny out of town, that is your right. And it will be my right to call you what you are when you get excited about Gordon coming back.
Johnny is a distraction and he is a huge risk in the way he plays. His off field antics, his size, his style of play all point to one conclusion. He must go. Trade him if you can, if not cut him. You can't count on him to be there when you need him. You can't DEPEND on him to put the Browns and his teammates ahead of his own selfish needs. EVER.
Johnny has to go and meathead has to go right along with him. They can give Dilbert a ride out of town.
I supported Johnny. I didn't care if he drank. That's his business. But when it affects his job it becomes the teams/fans business and I dislike that. If he can't be bothered to do his job and parties instead, then screw him. And for the record I want Gilbert gone too. He flat out refuses to do his job.
Gordon may be salvagable. So I am wait and see on that.
I supported Johnny. I didn't care if he drank. That's his business. But when it affects his job it becomes the teams/fans business and I dislike that. If he can't be bothered to do his job and parties instead, then screw him. And for the record I want Gilbert gone too. He flat out refuses to do his job.
Gordon may be salvagable. So I am wait and see on that.
I keep reading that enough is enough, cut him, trade him, he is a punk, he is the Cocaine Cowboy, he is the devil reincarnated, etc.......
You are so morally sound. I have a hunch [well, more than a hunch] that if Gordon is reinstated, the very same people who have went off about Johnny's mistakes will welcome Gordon back w/open arms.
If this doesn't demonstrate they hypocritical nature of many of our posters, I don't know what does????? Gordon's past is WAY WORSE than Johnny's?
Johnny was not kicked out of two universities.
Johnny was not arrested for a DUI.
Johnny was not suspended twice by the NFL.
Johnny did not dog it on the field like Gordon did.
Johnny was not pulled over in a car w/marijuana in it.
So...........if y'all wanna run Johnny out of town, that is your right. And it will be my right to call you what you are when you get excited about Gordon coming back.
Vers, I think you're reaching for something that's just not there. Not one single fan is happy with any player that acts like a doofus and hurts the team. But people view infractions differently and have different levels of tolerance. I think what you are witnessing with Manziel is that everyone, even those with a high tolerance for the madness, have finally reached their tipping point.
It happened with Gilbert before Manziel and it might still happen with Gordon. No one's being a hyprocrite. Everyone of those guys is deserving of criticism. People just differ on how severely they view the infractions and whether or not they are willing to give guys a chance to come around. Sometimes, people just reach the end of their rope.
Wait.............so you are saying that getting kicked out two colleges, lying about the second dismissal, numerous failed drug tests in a couple of years in the NFL, a DUI, having pot in his car, saying that he took cough medicine, posting pictures of him w/a pipe and pill bottle, posting pics and vids of him partying in Miami while suspended, dogging it on the field last year, etc is NOT as bad as what Johnny has done?
Wait.............so you are saying that getting kicked out two colleges, lying about the second dismissal, numerous failed drug tests in a couple of years in the NFL, a DUI, having pot in his car, saying that he took cough medicine, posting pictures of him w/a pipe and pill bottle, posting pics and vids of him partying in Miami while suspended, dogging it on the field last year, etc is NOT as bad as what Johnny has done?
Okie dokie.
Holy crap, he just said every one of them is deserving of criticism.
I supported Johnny. I didn't care if he drank. That's his business. But when it affects his job it becomes the teams/fans business and I dislike that. If he can't be bothered to do his job and parties instead, then screw him. And for the record I want Gilbert gone too. He flat out refuses to do his job.
Gordon may be salvagable. So I am wait and see on that.
I agree with every single word. QBs are held to higher standards , it's just the way it is because it's the most important player on an NFL team, generally speaking.
I like the guy, I want him to succeed but he is his own worst enemy. Don't go to Vegas (if he did), don't go to Texas on a bye week after you've been given the starting QB role, stop acting like a junior high kid and start acting like an NFL quarterback.
Wait.............so you are saying that getting kicked out two colleges, lying about the second dismissal, numerous failed drug tests in a couple of years in the NFL, a DUI, having pot in his car, saying that he took cough medicine, posting pictures of him w/a pipe and pill bottle, posting pics and vids of him partying in Miami while suspended, dogging it on the field last year, etc is NOT as bad as what Johnny has done?
Okie dokie.
At least he's able to produce in the NFL... and.. yaknow... wants to be in Cleveland.
[quote=Versatile Dog]Wait.............so you are saying that getting kicked out two colleges, lying about the second dismissal, numerous failed drug tests in a couple of years in the NFL, a DUI, having pot in his car, saying that he took cough medicine, posting pictures of him w/a pipe and pill bottle, posting pics and vids of him partying in Miami
I supported Johnny. I didn't care if he drank. That's his business. But when it affects his job it becomes the teams/fans business and I dislike that. If he can't be bothered to do his job and parties instead, then screw him. And for the record I want Gilbert gone too. He flat out refuses to do his job.
Gordon may be salvagable. So I am wait and see on that.
If were banking on Gordon lord help us
There is a long way between salvageable and "banking on."
Come on, man. He is always saying calling JM a punk, the Cocaine Cowboy, etc. He just said that I was talking "crap." But, in the past, he has admitted his wife/girlfriend beats him up.
And you're a keyboard warrior. you are like the nice guy that turns into an instant A-hole at the first drop of alcohol, only your alcohol is anyone disagreeing with your point of view.
So you get all snippy like a spiteful little chit and say something totally inappropriate... just like this
But seriously, I agree with you on most things, sadly. lol
Come on, man. He is always saying calling JM a punk, the Cocaine Cowboy, etc. He just said that I was talking "crap." But, in the past, he has admitted his wife/girlfriend beats him up.
Just sayin'
well... you never met my wife..... stupid pukesburgh fan on top of it...
Come on, man. He is always saying calling JM a punk, the Cocaine Cowboy, etc. He just said that I was talking "crap." But, in the past, he has admitted his wife/girlfriend beats him up.
Just sayin'
well... you never met my wife..... stupid pukesburgh fan on top of it...
I keep reading that enough is enough, cut him, trade him, he is a punk, he is the Cocaine Cowboy, he is the devil reincarnated, etc.......
You are so morally sound. I have a hunch [well, more than a hunch] that if Gordon is reinstated, the very same people who have went off about Johnny's mistakes will welcome Gordon back w/open arms.
If this doesn't demonstrate they hypocritical nature of many of our posters, I don't know what does????? Gordon's past is WAY WORSE than Johnny's?
Johnny was not kicked out of two universities.
Johnny was not arrested for a DUI.
Johnny was not suspended twice by the NFL.
Johnny did not dog it on the field like Gordon did.
Johnny was not pulled over in a car w/marijuana in it.
So...........if y'all wanna run Johnny out of town, that is your right. And it will be my right to call you what you are when you get excited about Gordon coming back.
If Gordon comes back and is again a non-professional turd that doesn't want to put in the work, he can go as well.
If Gordon comes back after paying for his sins, but is ready to work and is buttoned-up off the field and plays with passion on the field... then, yeah, he deserves to be welcomed back.
Neither of them have killed anyone, we're not talking death sentences here. BUT, if you're a pro player and can't be mature enough to conduct yourself like one, then why the heck should you be treated like one?
There is more to being a professional than what happens between 1-4 on Sundays. A LOT more.... and if you can't get that part right, you can't get the rest of it.
For those that can't see the Johnny Manziel news via our website, here is what we posted:
Johnny Manziel update:
We all know Vegas stories can get extremely crazy involving celebrities. This is going to sound wild, and maybe hard to believe, but this is what we’re hearing regarding Johnny Manziel.
Our sources tell us Manziel was at a popular night club on the strip Saturday night. The QB entered wearing a blonde wig, a fake mustache, glasses, and a hoodie.
Manziel introduced himself as “Billy.” He was there into the 3am hour and when it came time to pay the bill, he asked to have it comped because he didn’t bring cash and also didn’t want to put it on his card.
However, the sources tell us he ended up paying with his card and signing the check.
By 3am he appeared to be enjoying the party scene that Vegas is known to offer.
The club had Manziel and his crew placed at a VIP table close to the DJ booth. The table is located in one of the darkest areas of the club.
Manziel dined at the club’s restaurant before going to the nightclub. He was seated at the most private area in the restaurant, which is still out in the open. And yes, he ate with his wig and glasses on.
They had to post the story on Facebook because their website crashed.
Oh boy. Part of me doesn't want this to be true at all. Another part of me hopes he's dressed up like a cheesy SNL character trying to party discreetly.
Oh boy. Part of me doesn't want this to be true at all. Another part of me hopes he's dressed up like a cheesy SNL character trying to party discreetly.
The fact that it could be true tells you all you need to know. Manziel is officially in the Tyson Zone.
Will Burge @WillBurge I can confirm with 100% certainty that Manziel was in Vegas raging with a blonde wig on. This is no BS. The video will be out soon #Browns
Prp - Will Burge was just on WTAM and said the video is a Snapchat video and Manziel is partying in a blonde wig. He's personally seen the screen shot of the video and several folks he knows in Vegas have said they have seen the video and there are multiple videos.
Also, the photo Manziel posted of he and his dog on the carpet supposedly at his home in Avon is actually him in his suite at the Aria hotel in Vegas.
Busted Coverage saying TMZ outbid them for the Billy Manziel video. Can't wait to see it. Too hilarious!
Will Burge @WillBurge I can confirm with 100% certainty that Manziel was in Vegas raging with a blonde wig on. This is no BS. The video will be out soon #Browns
lol....im so depressed about this team that all i can do is laugh. my boys are clowning me through text and FB and all i can do is sit here and take it.
Will Burge @WillBurge I can confirm with 100% certainty that Manziel was in Vegas raging with a blonde wig on. This is no BS. The video will be out soon #Browns
So now we wait...can Jimmy Haslam outbid TMZ for the video?
Jimmy can make this go away for Johnny if that is the only picture/video of Manziel in Vegas. He is the one who drafted Manziel, so why wouldn't he try to cover this up?
Jimmy Haslam is a con man at heart and it would be such a blow to his ego if Johnny does not lead the Browns to the promised land.
Johnny Manziel reportedly changed his outfit and went by a fake name in his recent trip to Las Vegas.
CLEVELAND-- The Johnny Manziel saga continues in Cleveland and its latest chapter may be the strangest yet.
After multiple reports surfaced that Manziel was in Las Vegas this weekend, there's a further report that seems to confirm his whereabouts.
According to ESPN Las Vegas, Manziel was indeed in Vegas this weekend, but wasn't looking like himself. Rather, the Browns quarterback was seen sporting a blonde wig, a fake mustache and glasses, while referring to himself as "Billy."
In the article, sources indicate that Manziel was seen at a Vegas nightclub dining with friends and enjoying the evening, all the while wearing his wig.
Apparently, Manziel's identity was revealed when he asked for his bill at the end of the evening to be comped to his room.
Unfortunatlely for him, the club did not permit this to happen and Manziel used his credit card to pay, signing the name on the card.
Though multiple reports have indicated that Manziel was in Vegas, the report by ESPN Las Vegas was the first to detail Manziel as in disguise.
This report was later confirmed by Will Burge of WTAM 1100, who also reported that there is a video of Manziel partying while wearing the disguise.
That video is yet to be released, but according to Burge, it will be soon, as TMZ has already been in negotiations to obtain the footage.
Manziel posted a photo to his Instagram on Saturday night, after reports surfaced of his location, in which he and his dog were laying on a rug. The location of the photo on Instagram said Avon, Ohio, but the location feature on Instagram can be changed to essentially any place on the planet.
On Sunday night, after firing Cleveland GM Ray Farmer and HC Mike Pettine, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam confirmed that Manziel missed a mandatory appointment on Sunday morning at the team's facility in Berea, as part of his concussion protocol.
A report by Peter King of Sports Illustrated and Monday Morning Quarterback was the initial source for the news that Manziel missed the appointment and in that report, King also said the Browns were wanting to "move on" from the quarterback after this latest incident.
The quarterback was not in attendance for Sunday's game at FirstEnergy Stadium, but he was not required to by the Browns or the league's concussion protocol.
On Monday, wide receiver Andrew Hawkins, who himself was in the concussion protocol for a large portion of the season, said that players in the protocol can't be on the sidelines and watch the game from a booth. For that reason, Hawkins said Manziel's attendance at the game wasn't all that important.
Manziel was confirmed to be at the team's facility on Monday for season-ending meetings by defensive lineman Danny Shelton and Joel Bitonio, but neither seemed to have discussed the reports with him.
The Browns have the number two selection in the 2016 NFL Draft-- a fact that Jimmy Haslam pointed out when asked about the team's quarterback situation on Sunday night. For all of your Browns news and updates from Berea, follow Hayden Grove on Twitter: @H_Grove.
I will just say that if he goes, Gordon has to go, because Gordon's sins are FAR, FAR WORSE!!! I don't want to hear any hypocritical narrative about second chances. Gordon has received more chances than any player we have ever had.
I also am going to say this. Drafting another qb in a terrible qb class w/the second overall and then putting him behind an OL that will most likely be missing 2 or 3 of its parts and not getting true playmakers would be par for the course w/this franchise.
Drafting another qb in a terrible qb class w/the second overall and then putting him behind an OL that will most likely be missing 2 or 3 of its parts and not getting true playmakers would be par for the course w/this franchise.
We have a choice. I just hope we don't make a rash choice or one that is fueled by public perception. Once again............Johnny's sins are many, but they do NOT rival the sins of Gordon, and the latter is still on the roster.
You might not think there is a correlation, but I do. You can dismiss my opinion all you want. That's fine. But there is no doubt in my mind that people are being hypocritical.
I also want to reiterate that the Browns should not be swayed by the media and public thrashing of Manziel. I don't think any of this year's collegiate QBs have the upside of JM. Spending the second overall pick on a question mark when your team is so devoid of impact players is a huge gamble, especially considering that the OL is going to digress.
I hope that all the cooks in the kitchen take the time to see what is best for the menu before they bow to an emotional public and throw out the main course and replace it w/an expensive new dish.
The big difference between Gordon and Manziel is that the former actually was very good on the field, breaking several WR records and the latter was a no2 QB in every sense of the word. Both are self destructive, so it's not like they're rapist or hurting others as so many in the NFL do. Also QB is more of a leadership position than WR last I looked.
Considering all of this, what's to lose to take another look at Gordon? If the Browns were done with him, wouldn't he be cut already? Be prepared to see flash Gordon in TC....and Manziel in some crappy Hollywood rehab TV reality show. The reason for both is TALENT, something some of you still struggle to admit.
Moral outrage? I really dont think anyone cares if he drinks. Its the way he is going about it, and basically spitting in the face of the team as well as re-hab.
You might not think there is a correlation, but I do. You can dismiss my opinion all you want. That's fine. But there is no doubt in my mind that people are being hypocritical.
I also want to reiterate that the Browns should not be swayed by the media and public thrashing of Manziel. I don't think any of this year's collegiate QBs have the upside of JM. Spending the second overall pick on a question mark when your team is so devoid of impact players is a huge gamble, especially considering that the OL is going to digress.
I hope that all the cooks in the kitchen take the time to see what is best for the menu before they bow to an emotional public and throw out the main course and replace it w/an expensive new dish.
One thought on a potential rookie QB playing behind less of a line than the Browns currently have is this: With Davis under contract, the Browns could go with McCown, Davis, rookie on the depth chart until said rookie works his way up to the #2 or #1 job. He wouldn't necessarily have to be thrown behind that line. Perhaps he sits for a year, learns the NFL game, and the Browns continue to build the line/team for his year 2.
Then again, it's the Browns, so he'll probably be in due to injury by the half way point!
Moral outrage? I really dont think anyone cares if he drinks. Its the way he is going about it, and basically spitting in the face of the team as well as re-hab.
Moral outrage, are you kidding me? As a season ticket holder, to raise my ticket prices while paying for Manziel to be an idiot in a blond wig in Vegas and Bowe to make 9 mil riding the pine, I am disgusted. This has nothing to do with moral outrage. Perhaps ethical outrage when talking about the dollars.....morality, with this team, seems to be a non factor.
Vers - I haven't given deep thought yet to your arguments so I don't have a firm opinion yet, though I might after I complete this post.
My issue with your arguments isn't so much with what you are saying but how you are presenting them. You combine multiple controversial issues and combine them into one. For example, whether we keep Manziel or not has nothing to do with the quality of the Qb's in this years class. Manziel needs to be evaluated on his own. Then if we decide to move on from Manziel then we evaluate the the quality of the Qb's in the draft and decide if one if worth drafting or not. The way you are presenting your case makes it seem as if you are saying there are no good ab'a in this draft so we should keep Manziel.
As for Manziel vs Gordon, each case should be taken and evaluated individually. The difference between the 2 that I see are level of remorse. Manziel is being disruptive to the organization, he has reportedly shown up to the practice facility "dishelveled and inebriated". How many times has this happened? I don't know. None of us fans do but the organization sure does. Manziel shows absolutely zero remorse. Gordon has messed up multiple times but seems remorseful. He has issues but is trying. Is my perception accurate? I don't know. But to me that is the difference between Manziel and Gordon. Regardless, if either of these guys has continued problems then they need to be off this team. The only question is at what point. And that needs to be individualized.
So, it's okay that Gordon was kicked out of two colleges and lied about it? It's okay has failed numerous drug tests in the NFL and been suspended twice? That he was caught w/pot in his car and got a DUI while suspended? Lied about the cough medicine? Posted picks of him w/a pipe, giving a gang sign, and having a pill bottle? Posted pics and a vid of him partying in Miami while under suspension?
Moral outrage? I really dont think anyone cares if he drinks. Its the way he is going about it, and basically spitting in the face of the team as well as re-hab.
Yep. This. Gordon got a year suspension for drinking after the season was over on an airplane with his teammates and the WR coach.
Manziel was just drinking in Vegas the night before a game and didn't show up for the morning concussion evaluation, again violating the team rules.
I agreed with the point of view that Vers holds about Gordon vs. Manziel at the beginning of the season, but Manziel has become outright offensive towards the team. i think if you list Gordon's transgressions with the team vs Manziel's side by side... at this point Manziel's are probably worse.
I am not saying that we have to keep Manziel because the qbs are terrible, but I think the Browns better weigh their options carefully and not be forced to draft a qb who doesn't really deserve such a high pick, especially because the team lacks play makers at other positions. We did not lose games this year just because of poor qb play.
Remorse? Gordon quit on the team last year. He has been late to meetings throughout his career. He brooded when he came back. He lied at least twice about what happened. He got a DUI while suspended. He had pot in his car while suspended. That's not remorse, Jester.
I am not saying that we should cut Gordon. I am saying that the Browns better not be swayed by public perception when evaluating the situation.
Meanwhile Sammy Watkins had a 1000 rec season and missed 3 games.
He should do great in the Playoffs...
I think as usual with Manziel all is over blown and btw nothing proven nothing as of yet.
Grossi don't trust him. Mary K pretty incompetent journalist.
I think Manziel was devastated with the Firing and the thought of it. The tough love by Pettine straightening him out like no other coach before him did. The work that Flip and Oconner QB Coach did with him - the game coming to him. We go and Fire his mentors. He came out several weeks ago how he wanted Pettine and staff to stay. Yeah he is young and immature and he probably didn't handle it as professional as guys like Joe Thomas who btw stated yeah he wouldn't mind getting traded now as pretty much he is sick of the Change.
He came to us in 07 had a great rookie season 10 wins...then in 08 depressing and a fired regime. 09 and really that regime changed at the end of 09 even though it lingered for another season. 4 years 2 regimes. Then Shurmur he had his 2 seasons. 6 years, 6 Pro bowl seasons and now 3 Regimes done. Then came Chud 7 years and his 4th Regime done now Pettine and 9 years, 9 Pro Bowl seasons and his 5th Regime done.
Well Manziel more immature and in his 3rd season he will have his 2nd regime and his 3rd Offensive Coordinator and 3rd Offensive scheme/playbook.
Maybe...MAYBE he got a little Pissed off and over reacted being the Yute he still is...gosh knows we never over react here.
Vers as for Gordon the kid got suspended without pay for quite some time. I will not trust him until he gives us 2 clean seasons but I will give him the opportunity under time served even though he didn't go to jail. But I don't compare or judge one guy off the other each are individuals. I don't trust Gordon but will give him the opportunity to earn that trust back.
Likewise I don't if I can trust Manziel to be on the straight and narrow??? I can only hope so and he has not broken any LAW or NFL Rules as of yet. More so for his sake to live a good life. And for us Browns fans needing a Franchise QB.
Manziel's actions in and of themselves warrant him being dispatched IMO. Hopefully the Browns can get something for him.
The people in Berea are the only ones who can make this decision based on facts that can be verified. Not what the fans think, what players think or what ESPN thinks.
ALL other teams would be wise to wait the Browns out. The Browns would be smart to take the first offer they can get for this loser once the trading season is open.
Get rid of this distraction. It's time to move forward.
i dont understand why Vers thinks somehow people are giving Gordon a pass.
we've already exhausted something like two different threads in the past that gordon is a bum right now. yet the dude thinks if we aren't talking about a guy that didn't play one snap of the season that means we gave him a pass?
classic case of a guy reading what he wants to read, and ignoring everything else.
two destructive players, nobody is giving either of them a pass.
but at least gordon proved he's not only a pro bowler, but all pro #1 WR when on the field., and THAT's the reason why people hope he comes back with his head finally on straight. Gordon hasn't brought anywhere near the level of embarrassment manziel has.
umm...yeah I'm sure they do 
