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Nobody that says they're leaving is leaving either. It's a coping mechanism. It's impossible to jump ship and have the same undying love for another franchise. It's possible we are all in some sort of purgatory.

Grab a drink (alcohol), embrace the madness and enjoy the following bad Browns tune....

Another Cleveland Browns Sunday

I don't know if you are joking or not, but isn't there a clause not allowing the team to move for a long period of time?

i'm not sure on both those questions ^^

I mean how can an owner be this bad?!

I don't know if it will make anyone feel better, but some of the people who are supposed to be "insiders" on other sites are saying that Sashi will not be picking players. Basically Jimmay got sick and tired of Alec, Pet, and Farmer always in fighting and power playing. Sashi will work on contracts, and basically make sure the GM/HC stay on the same page.The HC will be the main guy is the hunch......take it for what it is worth.

Well, we are the "Browns" aren't we?

We can only hope you are right.

Most people will calm down if we can get a legit coach.

I'm so glad, I'm so glad.
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad.
I'm so glad, I'm so glad.
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad.

I don't know what to do,
I don't know what to do,
I don't know what to do.
I'm tired of weeping,
I'm tired of moaning,
I'm tired of crying for you.

I wonder if the posters who made fun of those who said there was there was dysfunction w/in the organization will apologize?

Were there people who thought there was no dysfunction? Pettine said as much.

Is that promoting like a Brown?

If he has a ring on his finger it would go a long way toward calming my fears.... There are plenty of ex-head coaches with Super Bowl experience. Hell, at the VERY least get a guy that's been an NFL HC before. Gase is interesting, and I wouldn't HATE the choice, but I'd really like an experienced coach for a change. It doesn't guarantee success but it does increase the odds. He has done it before. He knows what it takes and he knows how to BE a HEAD coach.

Seriously? You missed all the discussion this past off season?

I unblocked you because I didn't really care if I was suspended tonight or not..........but, I better block you again. You are impossible!

Does Gase even need to shave yet?

It is not a surprise. Anti-climatic to be the truth.

You can learn from the past, but you have to move forward.

Drafting Manziel and signing Bowe were the two most obvious errors.

The arrangement of Farmer and Pettine was not a good one. We could see it in the 53 versus 46 every weekend.

Here that they get it right and draft as well as Clevesteve.

After trudging through the wrist slitting post I have to say, I LIKE IT!

It seems to me that Jimmy Haslam has discovered and admitted he is part of the problem. He has elevated Sashi Brown (sp?) to his old position. What I have learned so far about Sashi Brown is that he has 10 years of football operations experience, is a critical thinker (heavily involved in statistics), and is not Jimmy Haslam.

Jimmy further stated that they have hired what I presume is a head hunting firm with deep NFL and Football connections to lead the searches for a new HC and GM.

The GM is being separated from other football duties such as ridiculous $$$ free agent acquisitions (Mr. Bowe) or contract negotiations and is being streamline focused to provide the best talent evaluations from a football person's perspective.

This move should mean the HC will have much less interference in the actual coaching as the GM has been removed and replaced by somebody with no aspirations to coach.

I have no idea if this "money ball" type set-up will work or not but it is damn interesting to me and I think it's worth a shot. Looking forward to seeing how it all shakes out.

I hope Manziel is our QB next year, but at this point I'm just going to shut up and watch. I don't have a billion to buy the team, too old to start following another (would feel like cheating on my wife), and too damn tired of it all to get all worked up again.

just my 2 cents.

Ah. I thought you were talking about more recent times.

How could anyone not see the dysfunction? Hell, this entire organization from Haslam all the way down to the equipment manager is dysfunctional. We are so far from even being considered bad it is pathetic. Being simply a bad team would look pretty good right about now. We all thought Junior was a bad owner. I'd take him back in a heartbeat. Haslam reminds me of Wild Bill Burgess in the movie "Eddie".

Whoa. An Eddie reference. Mad props.

If this is truly the case then I might feel a little better but I don't know how it makes that much difference. Shouldn't someone have been trying to keep them in line in the first place?

I just don't understand how anyone could have so much ego that they put themselves ahead of the rest of the organization but the NFL is full of people like that and one way or another they always end up doing time in Cleveland.

It must be nice to be so filthy rich, have an NFL franchise as a plaything hobby, and royally screw with the emotions of millions of fans!

Well, Haslem has other businesses that keep him from being in Cleveland all the time. He really can't be that guy. I know some aren't going to like this, but imo we really missed Banner. Banner was basically the Sashi-role and that is what we are going back to. I don't like defending Haslem, but he really does need a football overseer to manage the operations........I just wish the overseer actually had football experience.

That was the initial knock on Banner as well however.

There it is.
Right there.

Wow how this jump from 5 pages when I was not logged in to 18 when I decided to log in?


Anyway, this crap sucks. This two year coaching theme is getting us no where. We should have left well enough alone. From top 10 defense to dead last...

Sigh

This cannot happen for at least another 15 years ..... or so. I heard that particular idea floated and shot down earlier tonight.

For everyone contemplating this same thought, may I offer a suggestion? Follow the browns (not capitalized on purpose because they don't deserve it) as closely or distantly as you like. Not at all even. But continue to come here. Visit only the Tailgate and Everything Else forums.

This of course is for very selfish reasons. While I haven't met any of you in person, I consider all of you friends. I enjoy talking Indians and Cavs and tOSU and politics and the joke of the week ... with all of you.

Just because we have a mutual friend who is a complete dickhead and we want to stop being their friend, it doesn't mean that we all have to stop being friends as well. I can handle not having the browns in my life. Honestly, the apathy that has been developing over the past few years will make it hardly noticeable. But to lose my friendships with all of you would create a hole that I don't know how I could fill. Heck, typing this post out, I actually had a tear role down my cheek at the thought.

honest to god... so did I....

first thing I thought..

The good people of Cleveland Ohio, Berea, Ohio, and every single Brown's fan in the world is being fleeced by this joke of an organization and the NFL.

That is very well said, Jester...

Although certainly not perfect, I don't consider it was dysfunctional. We'll likely never know the depth (or lack thereof) of any "in-fighting" within the FO. All organizations have their hiccoughs, speed bumps, etc.

Let's hope that your .02 turns out to be a wise investment...

You forgot Dan Snyder and lately, Jerry Jones looks like a dummy.

I think you are a bit harsh on Haslam. He's still feeling his way around.

Anyway, generally, we all expected this. It's no surprise.

There is always an argument for staying the course but I'm not sure that with Farmer, we'd ever get much in the way of solid drafts.

Regarding Pettine, I'm not sure we ever saw what he could do. He never really had the talent to work with. It's kinda like asking a chef to make a gourmet pasta sauce with the main ingredient being rotten tomatos.

I wish them both well..

Nobody that says they're leaving is leaving either. It's a coping mechanism. It's impossible to jump ship and have the same undying love for another franchise. It's possible we are all in some sort of purgatory.

Grab a drink (alcohol), embrace the madness and enjoy the following bad Browns tune....

Another Cleveland Browns Sunday





I can tell you right now...while Ive said it to my wife in the past I'm done and kept watching...last year I didnt watch very much..if I had something to do I did it...if I watched it usually wasnt till the end.

This year was even worse....if I hadnt started posting on this board I'm 100% sure I wouldve been done. If the hiring process ends up with what I feel is a joke...they look like crap in camps and preseason...and if I even feel like watching the real games...I am sure as hell walking away...after 54yrs...I have better stuff to do in my life then waste it on something that gives nothing but heartache in return.

I will say this...I'm not feeling the doom and gloom but that is contingent on what I need to see before making final judgement.

It appears that the newness has worn off Jimmy's toy,so he has given it to Dee to play with.
Maybe she will hire a female coach,blonde with large bosoms.I would find that combination had to criticize.

*General Reply*

Is there anyone NOT standing on the ledge? Blowing it up sucks, not going to deny it. But instead of looking to spend the next several months wailing and gnashing our teeth, maybe we could start to look a little deeper and try to get a sense of how Haslam is trying to put this thing together. This might be a little too deep for some but..

I refer to y'all a book called "From Good to Great". I had to read it for a leadership course I took a couple years ago. Basically it was a 20+ yr study of several corporations that were similar in size, experienced similar difficulties, and experienced similar economic conditions and the reasons why some failed and others prospered.

The ones that were successful all had the same philosophies and methods of operating.

1st: They had to come up with the unifying concept of what they wanted the organization to be. Once that was established, every decision was put up against that concept. Anything that deviated from that concept was jettisoned.

2nd: They all brought in people that put that unifying concept first, above their own egos and self interests. Playing Devil's Advocate was certainly welcomed, but anyone who didn't buy in to that concept was jettisoned.

3rd: They all realized that having the best and brightest who bought in to that concept wasn't enough. Those people had to be put in to the right places to maximize their experience, talent, and productivity. If they couldn't find the right place for you, you were jettisoned.

I bring this concept of business management up because one of the side effects of conforming to these 3 principals is that initially those companies saw a lot of turnover in the beginning stages. Much like we've seen during the Haslam Era.

If Chud and Norv's philosophies don't match up with the rest of the organization, they get jettisoned.

If Banner and Lombardi treat Whisenhunt poorly when he comes in for an interview, which reflects badly on the organization, they get jettisoned.

If Farmer keeps blowing picks, he gets jettisoned.

If Pettine able to maintain minimum levels of consistency, he gets jettisoned.

Or even if Pettine and Farmer can't develop a good, productive working relationship, they both get jettisoned.

So while we watch all this madness (and it IS madness), there just might be a method to it. His quick trigger finger may just be more a result of seeing he doesn't have the right people, or the right people in place than it is the 3-13 record.

But then again, maybe Haslam is just being schizophrenic about running this business. I'm not inclined to pick up my torch and pitch fork just yet. aside from the Rebate Scandal, I would imagine Pilot Flying J is probably pretty well run, so its not like the guy is noted for being unsuccessful.

Before I get roasted for being told I'm a Haslam apologist: my best case scenario was that we cut Farmer and Oneill. Actually, prior to that I remember saying when we had Chud, Turner, and Horton that that combination was probably our best chance of turning this thing around. Let's not forget, while Haslam has certainly played a role in the dysfunction, he's also having to bear the result of over a decade of dysfunction he has nothing to do with, most notably the fact that prior regimes have burned through a lot of the more experienced and successful coaches who would have come here.

Anyway, I guess I should be lucky I don't have season tickets that I have to justify to myself and the wife why I'm spending money on.

I think you're giving Haslam too much credit, but perhaps we will get lucky and we will "luck" into a good situation where we look back and say Haslam knew what he was doing the whole time.

I just don't get most of you guys....everyone (well almost everyone) was calling for Pettine and Farmer to be fired, when they are , the same people start freaking out. The Sashi Brown thing...well think about it for a minute. Farmer was a moron, and the majority of members here thought they could have done a better job, and were probably right. So just on that we got an upgrade, could Brown be any worse? lol, seriously though, I see this as a move by Jimmy, to have someone in place to

1) watch over the organization and report back to him to keep him better informed of any problems that may arise, I am sure there was alot of butt covering being done by Farmer and Pettine to go along with the finger pointing

2) have someone in place to make sure the Schiener, Farmer, Pettine blame game, playground, grade school BS doesnt happen again.

3) to make sure GM and Coach are unified, or as close to that as possible on draft picks, FA deals, so on and so forth.

To me, Brown having the final say, seems more to be about a tie breaker. HC wants this guy, Gm wants that guy, Brown says to both, make your case to me and I will make the decision. Had this been in place, I doubt we would have signed Bowe, drafted Gilbert or Erving.

This is just my .02. take it or leave it. I personally will be grateful we got Farmer and Pettine the F out of here and wait to see how the rest shakes out.

That was before Free Agency. Once a team got a good player they owned him, until he wasn't good any longer.

The King is dead!

Long live the King!