DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Is it time for False Start Thomas to go?

Haven't they somewhat regressed since 014? Eagles fans want Kelly gone, and they switched QB's how many times?

Don't forget the rushing champion that season as well

Eagles fans wanted to fire Andy Reid for a decade even though he made the conference championship every year.

They have regressed, but that's because Kelly is a horrible GM. The system still works.

Really the false starts need to be curbed or Thomas could get demoted in order to learn.

It's all a gimmick!!

I don't buy this theory that you can't find a LT. thats baloney.

Its easy to find guys to play the position. Its difficult to find a legitimate LT there are only about 5 out there right now the rest are memorex.

Big Ben is a seasoned 11 year vet with a very strong base. He can get away with it. Ask Bradford if its important or not. Luck, Payton

jmho

There is no scenario where this is the best business move. None.


The ONLY move that has any sense to it is to keep him and enjoy having a top-flight Left Tackle for the remainder of his career while you draft a guy to learn behind him.

I agree completely. Let JT finish where he started. He can (and I think has been) mentoring our young guys and you cant put a value on that.

Joe T had yet another great game yesterday. This might actually be his best season.

I look forward to the day The Joe Thomas is the biggest problem this team has...

Just think how much he's upped his trade value by playing so well...

"We gotta dump this guy..."

'Joe Thomas isn’t sure if he wants another year in Cleveland'

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...partner=ya5nbcs

Posted by Josh Alper on January 4, 2016, 8:07 AM EST

The Browns fired their coach and General Manager on Sunday while their 2014 first-round quarterback skipped a meeting with the team’s medical staff about his concussion amid reports that he was in Las Vegas instead.

In other words, it was pretty much business as usual for a franchise that has been a wreck since returning to the league in 1999. Left tackle Joe Thomas has been a member of the team since 2007 and isn’t sure that he wants another spin on the carousel.

Thomas showed support for former coach Mike Pettine late in the season and said Sunday that he’d never given much thought to leaving Cleveland before nearly being traded to the Broncos at the trading deadline this season. He admitted he’s been thinking about where he wants to be and that “it becomes harder to swallow” the endless losing as he gets closer to the end of his career.

“I didn’t think too much of it at the time of the horseshoe and hand grenade trade, but when you come to the end of the season, you certainly start thinking about it,” Thomas said, via the Lorain County Chronicle-Telegram. “I don’t know what will happen. I’m not saying yes. I’m not saying no. … I was always wanting to be here and be part of the turnaround, but when there’s changes in the front office and changes in the coaching staff, they may want to go younger — they may not want me. Maybe when we find out what happens, there will be more certainty with the direction the team wants to go and the direction that my career is going to go.”

Trading Thomas would not leave the Browns with any dead money under their cap and would bring back some draft picks that the next regime could use in an attempt to make more positive end of the season headlines. Any call on that will wait until there actually is a next regime in place, but it could be something to watch once teams can start making personnel moves this offseason.

You know it's gettin' bad here in Browns' Town when one of our very best players is thinking about abandoning ship.

Maybe I will follow Joe and root for his new team.

bye

He's going to be playing for a new coach wherever he plays. Might as well do it with a potential winner. He's sure not going to get that here.

As a fan, it's very frustrating to see one of the best and most true blue players thinking about wanting out. I mean, that is just about as bad as it gets.

Haslam needs the right guys in charge this time.

Joe has been so incredibly loyal to this team, and has received no chance of success from the team in turn.

Change coaches. Change the scheme. Fire everyone. Change the coach, Change the scheme. Wash. Rinse, Repeat.

I think that also he was really hurt by the reports of being shopped, and I bet that his agent verified that those reports were true. He also really seemed to like Pettine as coach, and seeing a coach he thought could be a great coach has to have hit him hard. His comments on Pettine were not some lukewarm comments a player gives in some perfunctory manner when reports of firing arise. He said that he would have to reevaluate his future if Pettine was fired. That's not just a "I want continuity". I think it was "I think we have the right coach."

A part of me almost hopes we trade Joe. I would hate to see him go, and I doubt that we manage to make a good deal for him, but, for him, I would love to see him get the chance to play for a winner. I cannot imagine being a Hall of Fame player having to constantly deal with this stupidity. He has been so loyal, and has never once complained about his contract, even when other OL around the league made more than him. He has been everything you want a pro to be. He deserves better.

I love the guy and couldn't possibly feel worse about things if he left. Might actually fell better in that he'd be escaping.

Agree with "close" maybe. "Respected him" is a joke IMHO.

To the OP:

Are you high?

Obviously, Joe Thomas didn't have the best year. None of our linemen did. They went from a system that suited them very well to a system that didn't fit them at all. On top of that they lost their line coach right before the season. Joe Thomas will be in the hall of fame. The one bright star since the return and after a hard season for all of our players you want to dump him? I don't think so.

I want Joe Thomas to enter the hall as a Cleveland Brown. Not like anyone else will be doing so any time soon. Probably be the one chance I have to see another Brown enter the HOF before I kick.

Want the line to have a much better season in the fall? Hire one of the Shanahans.

[quote]Want the line to have a much better season in the fall? Hire one of the Shanahans. smile/quote]

Kyle for HC?

Is here any HOFER without a post season game?

IMHO, he will retire has a Brown, he will never risk being exposed, if things go wrong in a new team.

He's the legacy from times when LT were considered the most valuable players in a team, the truth is that our QB's still get injured and that we didn't improve our record with a franchise LT playing for us.

Regarding his play this year... well.. the OL play ways subpar, not only that but they never improved the team game.

Actually that's my biggest beef with the bunch of mercenaries that play in our OL, they never turn the tide, never. They are good professionals but this team needs so much more, this team needs character from its captains.

I think Joe might have had his best year in his career. He did not have a "subpar year."

He is a HOF even if he retired right now. No other lineman, ever, has had a career equal to his. I hope he retires a Brown, but he will likely leave this offseason for greener pastures - and he has nothing to get exposed except that he's the best of his generation at his position. Bar none.

He's not a legacy, and the time of the Left Tackle has not passed. It is still one of the most important positions in any offense... just ask any team that doesn't have a decent one.

If you want to cite QB injuries and such, I suggest you go back and watch the games again to see where those pressures & hits come from. Very, very, very few will come from Joe's man. Most were coming from our Guard spots, especially once Erving went in.

You really should watch some football, because what you think you're seeing (based upon your post) isn't reality.

I agree with this.

PFF's #1 Left Tackle in football again this year.

J/C

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know someone will - LOL!) but isn't Joe Thomas under contract? If he doesn't want to play for the Browns aren't his only options retirement or the Browns trading him? The Browns hold the cards in this one. I wouldn't want to force his retirement, but I wouldn't trade him either. Even if you get a top draft pick or player, you still weaken one of the most important positions on the team.
I know some will say that the Browns owe it to him, but in a way that's b.s. The Browns owe him the salary he plays for and nothing else. Don't get me wrong, I feel for the guy and all the losing, but from a team stand point, you don't get rid of Joe Thomas.

Those comments make me sick. If people really going to stab and pick at Joe and indicate he's playing below average obviously, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but obviously they just don't have a clue what they're preaching.

This dude is, always was, even his rookie season, and has been above solid for us. Sub par year, I don't see it.......

All JMO

That is something I agree with as well...We have so many faltering players yet people complain about our extremely durable, professional, and proficient franchise LT...blows my mind

I agree...........but, I do want to clarify something. Spirit wasn't ragging on Joe. He was defending him after another poster bashed Joe.

I just used a small snippet of Spirit's post and made my point, but again.........that quote from Spirit did not capture his true intent.

Sorry about that, Spirit. I did not intentionally dog you.

I think he is going. He must want to win by now. It is a real possibility that the team is going to be worse than this year. I am sure Mack is going to be gone. If Thomas stays, it shows he really doesn't care about winning, IMO.

I've been hard on the Oline all year. Mostly because I saw a lack in depth and possible breakdown of the other starters up front going into this season. As a unit they failed this year plus blocking schemes given just didn't pan out. JT was stellar though and deserves to play for a winner. If that's somewhere else other then Clev. so be it. He deserves it.

If he does pull the pin and decide to move on I wouldn't blame him. It's not like he didn't give the Team their money's worth every game. The Browns have 99 problems and Joe Thomas has never been one.

They could get some value out of him in the right kind of trade deal and if that meant he gets a taste of winning for a change then so be it. There's no sense in keeping him chained to that oar until he's retired.