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Thought this might be a nice topic for people to drop in what they would like to see done. Less dwelling on a bad season and bad regime, and more looking ahead.

I don't really know what time of GM they are going to get with a 38 year old lawyer allegedly having final say over the 53. You're more than likely going to see someone promoted from a director of scouting type role over a former GM that has experience...

I really like Hue Jackson the more I read about him. Sounds like he's really good with players. I think he could fit into this mold they are trying to set up. He has almost 15 years of NFL coaching experience. He's obviously familiar with dysfunction considering he coached the Raiders. I would say right now he's probably the guy I like the most..

I think Chip Kelly is an option, because it sounds like he's ready to accept the fact that if he is going to try the NFL again, that it won't be controlling the entire thing. Jay Glazer went as far as to say that is exactly what was told to him. I still don't see him in Cleveland, especially after the way he left the Browns 3 years ago.

I'm not big on Doug Marrone, but it sounds like he's the media favorite at this point. Something rubs me the wrong way on how he bailed on his team.

I would love Sean Payton but I don't see that as realistic for us. He'd be perfect in NY to take over with Coughlin stepping down. Established QB, weapons, etc..

Not big on Adam Gase either.. I really hope they take a hard look at Hue Jackson because he seems like the best realistic candidate we can land.

I think we can all agree Manziel is done in Cleveland, but more importantly, does his exit force us to go QB at #2? If this is going to be a full rebuild, you almost want a young QB to go through his growing pains while the rest of the team does as well. I hate being forced into having to make that kind of an investment, but I really think they're doing nobody any favors if they roll Josh McCown back out there.

I really hope free agency is quiet for the Browns. I don't think this team should start handing out big contracts for a while.

If Joe Thomas wants out, fine. I don't really care anymore. Still tired of the "WHAT DOES JOE THOMAS THINK OF THIS" take every time we lose a bunch of games. Who cares. Joe is getting paid. Seattle won their Super Bowl after Walter Jones was gone. We put way too much into one guy.

Haden can go too. I don't care.

The next big contract given (outside of rookie deals) should be to a guy who was drafted in Cleveland, who is a top 3-5 player established at his position, and has grown into a tremendous leader. No more Dwayne Bowe takin' 'er easy in training camp.

I'm just glad this new regime will be given every opportunity to succeed. You will more than likely have your pick of QB's in this draft. There's no once-in-30 years player, but one of these guys has the potential to fit in.

How I see the coaching staff shaping into:

HC: Doug Marrone
OC: John Defillipo
DC: Jim Tomsula

Keeping Flip would be awesome! I HATE the run game just like Flip does. We could cut every running back on the roster and be in great shape! LMAO

I think we should hire Mike Hargrove as head coach. He took the Indians to two World Series maybe he could take the Browns to the SB....

I agree, but for a different reason. He has been one of the best in the league for 8 years, loyal and steadfast. This team is not going to win anything soon, and he only has a few more years. Let him find a place where he can play for a winner before he's done. He's earned it.

If we like a QB, take him. We can't count on Johnny.

I don't really have a preference in terms of a HC (well, Payton, but he ain't coming to Clevand), but I'd like to get experienced guys with OC and DC and guys who can work with the good pieces we do have and make it easy for the players to get used to the new staff and their schemes.

Definitely need upgrades on D. With much unknown (Mack, Schwartz, Gipson) it's gonna be an interesting FA/draft period.

SIGH..... why do I root for this frikking team?

At least with Farmer gone, we don't have to worry about that idiot letting everybody walk.

He really lost me when that article came out about him devaluing the QB position. It's bad enough he doesn't like wide receivers.

And for the love of god please no trading down. PLEASE.

Nice post Spergon , good thinking about changing things up.

I'm not sure yet on how I want to move forward, Need to take a little break from all the events of late..

I would like to wait and see what options will be available as the Playoff games come to an end.

I would also like to do a little more reading and research on the options and try to get a feel on what will work best for the team.

How I feel now, may not be how I feel several weeks from now..

I will say moving forward I hope Haslam and Brown will also put forth the effort to make the pieces work for success.. and to take the time to think about whats best for the new GM and HC.

Once the GM and HC are hired, It will be easier to see what players may or may not fit the new ways ahead.

I do agree it is defiantly time to move forward...

Yeah, so were the first two.

At the end of this so called search its not who the fans or the team wants, its what coach or so called GM wants the Browns.

People need to accept the hot names will go through the process and put on a act and interview knowing damn well they are not talking the job

I'd like to see us snag Hue Jackson as our new head coach.

I'd like the offense to keep some consistency with the playbook, so keeping Defilippo would be a plus.

Defensively, it wont matter who is our coach. Until we get some guys who want to knock heads off and wont back down to anyone, we will be the same. A sub-par defense.

We have been conditioned to expect disaster, and chances are this process will not yield great results. But at this point, there is a greater chance of improvement than further regression. And as I have said (and will keep saying) is there are people in the world who like challenges, who want the opportunity to have it said about them "look what he was able to do with the Browns." The mission of this search is to find those guys.

I think many Brown's fans have been conditioned to buy whatever ownership wants to sell them. And no matter how many times things fall apart, they line up w/the tongues hanging out and their tails wagging in hopeful anticipation while their masters laugh at how they tricked the dumb dawgs once again.

So true...

Too many. Each time we hire a coach it's all "oh yeah, this is the guy". Same with owner, gm, draft pick.

Not for me. Not any more. I'll save my glowing endorsements for when something good (like, a winning season) happens.

I don't give a hoot who are next coach is, because history say's he'll be gone in 2 years.

I don't give a hoot who are draft picks are, because history has shown we can't draft, and most of our top picks are out of the league, or playing somewhere else.

I'll get excited AFTER we have a winning season. Until then, I'll be extremely leery.

Yeah..........that is pretty much where I am at. I was really upset last night. I will probably keep following the team, but my love for them is so tainted. I don't trust them at all. It's not like me to be apathetic. I am pretty passionate. Heck, it kinda makes me angry that I don't care as much as I used to, if that makes any sense.

I think you nailed it when you said.......

Nope. I disagree wholeheartedly. If he is not traded, shipped for some ridiculous discounted value by these idiots, then he should be our QB. He has done nothing on the field but improve. All the stuffed shirts (that never experienced life when they were young) can snub him all they want, but the kid has more talent than we have seen for quite a while.

I don't think the QBs in this draft can hold a candle to JFF, period. I know the "Franchise" QB search is the holy grail on this board, and I feel we might be making a HUGE mistake not following through with JFF.

my 2 cents

He's an alcoholic with no self control or regard for his coaches and teammates. He's mediocre at best on the field itself. He still makes very poor decisions and has the worst mechanics our of any QB in the NFL.

Do you have proof that he is an alcoholic?

Well Vers, I don't think he checked himself into rehab for the free showers.

What's your take on Gordon and Haden?

I am one of those fans you are talking about, Vers. I get so damn mad and want everyone cut or fired. Then we hire a coach and draft a few guys and I'm right back there, all full of hope and excitement again. This team treats me like every high school girlfriend I ever had.
Someone posted Marrone as HC with Flip and Tomsulo as coordinators. That is not sexy at all. But it isn't bad, either. I think we could win with a staff like that.

Then name one prospect that we have had since the return with more upside? Name one QB in this upcoming draft with more upside?

Not jumping on, just joining the discussion. There is no empirical proof that he is an alcoholic. But it is the logical explanation for why he went to rehab. And for those of us intimately familiar with alcoholism, his behavior supports that conclusion.

I think Gordon is a turdball, BUT I don't want to release him and give him what he wants. I say keep his contract and sit his azz on the bench. I view him in a worse light than Manziel.


Haden, honestly I don't know. His situation is just odd.

Well, we kinda suck at drafting QBs, so that's not a good question. I'm a consistent Goff supporter as a franchise QB.

Since this thread started out with this phrase, "Thought this might be a nice topic for people to drop in what they would like to see done. Less dwelling on a bad season and bad regime, and more looking ahead."

What I would like and what they will do are two things. Sashi might be a great guy but I get the sense he is just signing his name on personnel moves so as to prevent 9 million dollar signings and players being let go without Haslam having a peek first. IF that's true than I'd imagine that any GM coming in will have an eventual power struggle with the Jimmmy and Sashi unless they hire a yes man.

I really think the GM is still going to come from in house. Who, outside will want to come in and not have a say on the final 53 and the coaches? I wouldn't.

So the HC will be a patsy, albeit a patsy with some street cred.

IF I was in charge, at this stage in the game, I'd call Mike Shanahan and give him the reigns and make sure he hires an OC/DC that can fill his shoes when the time comes. Having a "name" coach will help in retaining vets and luring vets.

Otherwise, I can't see Mack/Schwartz staying. Thomas sounds like he's ready to toss in the towel. I'm reading that Joe Haden is a cancer in the locker room and Manziel is a high school drama queen. Who, by the way, showed his true colors by not being on the sideline to support his teammates. I'd rather go all year with an Austin Davis or anyone else who puts the team first and his social life last.

Players hated Mangini but he was the polar opposite of Crennel who let the locker room run wild. We need someone with gravitas.

Not agreeing or disagreeing.

But, one small correction: Manziel wasn't allowed on the sidelines even if he had been at the game, due to the nfl concussion protocol.

I think Nick Caserio and Josh McDaniel of the Patriots should be talked to.

Haslam has the right to protect himself against an idiot GM who signs Bowe for $9M. There isn't one of us who thought that was a good signing. The only person on the planet who did was the dipshit who was empowered to do it. My God, the guy blew a career's worth of first round picks in two years and then he signed Bowe. He was the worst.

I am not ripping you, Big G.........I think you are a good guy, but I believe that we could win if we had better talent. I think firing Pet was a mistake.

BTTB is abrasive, [no comments from the peanut gallery] but he is right that overturning the roster every couple of years is extremely damaging.

Thanks for answering honestly. I think you are a good dude. We disagree about Goff, but that's cool..........at least on my end. We can debate, but let's not get personal.

I know you weren't ripping me. I was just recognizing myself in your characterization of fans, I feel like an idiot every year around this time, people at work (New York) snicker at me, and then it begins. The buildup to draft day. I wish I had the discipline to hate them all year long!

You're not an idiot. Just a fan. Hang in there, my man.

mary k said so.... plus ofcourse that one short stay in rehab...

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