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discuss what? He's a good player who went to a team that actually knows how to coach and scheme.

O'Neil probably would of had him covering TEst and Slot WRs..

If we switch to a 4-3, I'll be disappointed in letting him walk, as a 3-4 OLB HERE, I was never that impressed with him, he was good, not a game changer.. not that thats a bad thing.

He does however benefit from being good on another team, which to some means he's great.

He went to a different team, with different coaches, a different approach, and different players around him.

It happens. Barnidge had only a handful of catches when he came to the Browns, and this year, IIRC, he led the team in receiving.

Sometimes a guy is just a better fit with a different team, in a different situation.

Farmer doesn't work here anymore. So theres that.

Jabal was good here and we should have found a way to keep him

.... and place for him to contribute more on the field

But that's a theme our players have complained about

we should expect next year they won't be able to say "it's too complicated - I am out of position"

I will be rooting for him (and Phil Taylor if he ever gets another job) class of '11 (Jordan and Buster too)

mac...

Why did you not respond to the questions I asked about the claims you made regarding Haslem's odd, bizarre and skewed from normal behavior? I answered to every one of your points as you ticked them off in your post but you ignored that totally, as you often do, and focused on the one thing where you think you have a point, you don't.

Based partly on our history of discussions over the years, and in the spirit of the Browns new organizational set-up, I've used analytics to determine the likely hood that you would respond to me explaining exactly what you mean, using examples, of Haslem's odd, bizarre and abnormal behavior.

My analytics says it won't happen.

I have to say that I am a bit surprised by how well Sheard played this season. I thought he did some good things here, but I thought many overrated him.

Guess I was wrong.......

I remember when Pettine said Sheard was supposed to be his surprise player to break out in 2014. Unfortunately, he completely came out flat.

I don't know the snap allocation, but my guess is Sheard's success in the 43 alignment allowed this recognition because he did struggle in the 34 when we switched to it in 2013.

We would have dropped him in coverage which would have destroyed his production. I'm glad he went to NE, nothing but disaster here.

As Swish said, they run a good defensive scheme with solid coaches to execute/teach it and it's been consistent. No shock to me, I thought he was always a good player in certain schemes.

pblack's "Drunken Nut" name calling stock dips lower and lower.

THANK YOU SWISH!!
Thats all it is!!.. The Browns were trying to use a 4-3 edge pass rushing DE and make him a 3-4 end or a stand up LB. Just dumb and Dumber. Then the Browns wonder why we don't have a passh rush. BTW - A.Rubin is playing alright for SEA and the WR Willie Snead was pretty good for N.O!!..

Idiots, Pettine and Farmer!!

I hate to break this to you guys........but New England plays both a 4-3 and 3-4. They are listed as a 4-3 team, but they don't prefer it.

Their opponent determines whether they primarily play a 3-4 or a 4-3 in each game.

that's fine, but they rarely have, if at all, players playing out of their position.

That is true. On the other hand, has anyone ever considered that having talented players around you is beneficial because they take a lot of the attention away from you?

Sorry Vers,
One thing about N.E is that they really do not get caught up in a so-called scheme. They try to figure out what D or offense will exploit the other teams weakness. So yes, there are games when they line up 3-4 a majority of the time OR 4-3. They try to take away the opponents strength.

But they use their players, like Sheard to their strenghs!

nobody has denied that.

but talent lacking or not, in order to maximize the talent we do have on the roster, we need them playing in position.

you play to the players strength. We tried to convert a guy who never played OLB into one, then wondered why he had a lackluster season.

it's like having a RB go to the FB position and wonder why he isn't capable of blocking.

It's good.........I probably should have typed in: "j/c:" I intended that for everyone and not just you.

Well, if you are correct, we should see a gigantic increase in our win total next year.

sure, if our coaches play to the players strength.

so far since 99, we haven't seen any consistency to that yet.

I know, he's the only one who has been successful. Blind squirrel, indeed.

Jc

This is the legacy of the Cleveland Browns. To trade away/dump our best players. And then wonder why we are weak.

Our talent isn't bad.

Our coaches and schemes SUCK.

When we were desperate at OL, botch let roman oban walk. He went on to start at LT for the Bucs when they won it all.

If Jabaal Sheard is one of your "best players", then IMO you're not going to be that great regardless..

He is a good peice on a good team.

Lets not claim he's anything more than that.

Good job Jabal. He is playing great this year AND he is having fun and enjoying winning. I'm happy for him, he's a good kid.

I always liked Sheard, he had a good motor and was strong at the point of attack.

tab, most of that information was posted on this forum, so people are aware of it.

I think it's dangerous to automatically believe something when there is no name attached to the quotes. Furthermore, the apparent source was someone who was a friend of Farmer.

I am NOT going to buy into every good move was made by Farmer and every bad move was mandated by Pet. Sorry, that is unrealistic. At the end of the day, Farmer was the GM and he was responsible for the 53 man roster.

Man, we ran a 4 man front at least 80% of the time THIS year.

Who was on it?

When I think of a TRUE 4-3 D Line, I think of the NYGs when they had Strahan/Osi/JPP as their bookends..

No we did not.

While we ran a ton of nickle, (maybe even close to 80%). It was usually in an odd front.

One player I really like and Browns ditched him. I don't what your point is with this. He did well with NE, of course, they know how to use players, correctly. He is a heck of guy off the field. I am glad he is with a good team.

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No matter how it is done, just another tidbit of info that points to why the last braintrust was sent packing.