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Gase is out. He signed with Miami. Bet he ends up being the one we should have hired. He gets the most out of a QB. Of course that's not as important as being a math geek into sabermetrics lol.

damn

He was my # 1 choice too, but then he has no HC experience so he would have been a bad one anyway ...

My preference is a HC that has won before, Gruden Billick etc. But since we aren't even interviewing coaches like that Gase was the best of the bunch we ARE interviewing. We'll probably wait around and hire the last guy left. Some assistant to an assistant with an engineering degree.

I got a feeling that the New England DC is the main target.

Matt Patricia.

People probably should start reading up on him. I think he is a natural fit and a very good choice.

Sources: Giants OK Eagles request to talk to Coughlin

By Mike Garafolo @mikegarafolo
UPDATED: Jan 9, 2016 at 9:44a ET

Tom Coughlin's coaching career isn't over just yet, and there's at least a chance it could continue in a familiar place.

Sources told FOX Sports on Saturday that the Giants have granted permission to the Eagles to speak to Coughlin. The interview is slated for Monday.

Sources in the Giants organization said Friday they expected Coughlin to speak to the Eagles about their coaching vacancy. The sources said the Eagles are interested in Coughlin's services, which jibes with a report from FOX 5 in New York on Friday night that stated the Eagles requested permission from the Giants to speak with Coughlin.

Coughlin resigned as Giants coach with one year left on his contract, which means the Giants still hold his rights.

A source told FOX Sports shortly after Coughlin resigned on Monday the 69-year-old coach would entertain the idea of coaching again in the right situation. He has four children and 11 grandchildren who all live on the East Coast.

Whether Coughlin considers the Eagles job to be the right situation remains to be seen. He didn't seem thrilled with the organization's decision to fire Chip Kelly after only three seasons.

"Quite frankly, I'm not surprised by anything in this business," Coughlin said. "But that one was close."

A few days later, during his news conference to announce his resignation, Coughlin praised the Giants for their patience during the early part of his tenure with the team. He was surely referencing their decision to stick with him after a tumultuous 2006 season -- patience that was rewarded with a Super Bowl title one season later.

Coughlin dubbed the Giants a "great organization, people that will support you and back you, people that are real football people." Then, in what seemed like a poke at the teams that have had quick triggers in firing coaches, he added: "That could be another lecture of mine for the National Football League, which I'll refrain from right now. But [the Giants] are football people. They don't panic every time there's a missed third down -- [except] after you go 6-10 twice."

The Eagles were quick to get rid of Kelly but stuck by Andy Reid for 14 seasons, even though the fan base's patience wore thin when he couldn't quite get over the hump and win a Super Bowl.

It's clear Coughlin values loyalty in an organization and would want to hear that's the case in Philly, despite the move to get rid of Kelly in a hurry. There were other factors involved during Kelly's regime, namely his desire for control over personnel. But Coughlin would be looking for signs of stability in any potential employers.

The Eagles would surely have their own questions, such as whether Coughlin has enough in the tank at this point in his career. One viewing of his news conference on Tuesday, during which he gave an emphatic speech that brought Eli Manning to tears, should put those concerns to rest.

And perhaps the sight of Manning crying registered with Jeffrey Lurie. After all, the Eagles owner said recently he's looking for a coach who, unlike Kelly, knows how to "open his heart to the players" and "understands emotional intelligence." Perhaps he believes Coughlin could be that coach.

The Eagles are considering other candidates, and Doug Pederson, a former Eagles quarterbacks coach who has served as Reid's offensive coordinator in Kansas City, will receive strong consideration. But Coughlin brings two Super Bowl rings as a head coach, which makes him an intriguing candidate for any team.

I am glad we didn't get Gase.

Before this all went down..........I said the last thing I wanted was to bring in yet another unproven coordinator and make him the HC. That's what we have been doing for years and it hasn't worked.

We should have just kept Pet unless we were able to make a dynamic hire.

Did you guys see that Bob Quinn from New England was hired by the Lions as their GM?

Cleveland Browns have Terry Talkin' about search for coaches and the great analytics debate -- Terry Pluto

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- With Lovie Smith being fired in Tampa Bay, there are now seven NFL teams searching for head coaches. Here's the list:
1. Tampa Bay Bucs
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. New York Giants
4. Tennessee Titans
5. Miami Dolphins
6. Cleveland Browns
7. San Francisco 49ers

I put them in order of preference to most coaches. It's my list, so you can debate it. You can argue that the Browns should be No. 7, and I won't spend a lot of time debating it. That's especially true if you're a coach who believes he can revive the career of quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

Tampa Bay is ranked No. 1 because the Bucs have the best young quarterback of these seven teams. Lovie Smith took the Bucs from 2-14 to 6-10 and was fired. He helped Jameis Winston adjust to the NFL life. Dumping Smith after two seasons (2-14 and 6-10) seems odd. The Bucs said it's because the team was 6-6 and lost its last four games. For those scoring at home, the Bucs will be hiring their third coach in five years -- same as the Browns.

So owner Jimmy Haslam and his new front office of Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta have some serious selling to do. The Browns are interviewing Doug Marrone, Hue Jackson, Adam Gase, Teryl Austin and several others. Gase is talking to at least four different teams. Given the Browns decision to go deep into football analytics and have Brown as vice president of football operations with control of the 53-man roster, not every coach will fit with their plans.

AN ANALYTICS DEPARTMENT

When Joe Banner was hired as the Browns CEO, he brought several ideas about analytics to the franchise. Some were concepts that Bill Belichick had used for years, such as rarely trading up in the draft, especially in the first round. The general rule is trade down, pile up the picks. Do research on the following year's draft. That's why Banner made several trades in the 2013 draft to gain 10 total selections (including two first-rounders) in 2014. Banner was fired by that draft, and his replacement (former general manager Ray Farmer) used only six of those picks. Banner correctly believed that the 2014 draft would be far superior than the 2013 draft.

When Banner hired Alex Scheiner as team president, one of Scheiner's jobs was to assemble an analytics department. Scheiner also did that when he was with the Dallas Cowboys. In 2013, the Browns hired Ken Kovash as "Director of Football Research." He had been the "senior analytics manager" of the Dallas Cowboys from 2010-2012. So he was imported by Scheiner.

In the spring of 2014, the Browns hired Kevin Meers, called a "football research analyst." He had been an intern in the analytics department in Dallas in 2012 and with the Browns in 2013.

One of the clashes between Scheiner and the football side of the operation was about analytics. Coach Mike Pettine and Farmer were mildly interested, but used very little of it. After Banner was fired, the analytics department lost its chief advocate. I'd love to know what the analytics department revealed about the 2014 and 2015 drafts vs. what the Browns actually did in those drafts. I've written about the 2014 quarterback study that rated the top three quarterbacks in the draft that season in this order:

1. Teddy Bridgewater
2. Derek Carr
3. Blake Bortles

Johnny Manziel was red-flagged and not in the first round.

New chief strategy officer DePodesta will study the work of the two analysts now on the staff. He may bring in some other people. He certainly will implement some of his methods. Sashi Brown also is a big believer in analytics. It's obvious that Haslam became a believer in analytics after watching what happened the last few years. One person told me that the Browns actually had a fair amount of work done in this area, it just was not used much. All of that is about to change.

WHAT COLLABORATION MEANS

Since Haslam bought the team, he's dealt with division in the football operation. Banner's greatest mistake was hiring Mike Lombardi as general manager. Banner did it against the advice of so many people. Haslam was aware of Lombardi's dubious reputation, and he should have insisted that Banner move in a different direction.

But Lombardi came to town. After several months, Banner and Lombardi were at odds. Several members of Rob Chudzinski's coaching staff didn't trust the front office, especially Lombardi. First, the coaching staff was fired. Three weeks later, Banner and Lombardi were fired.

That's when Haslam put Pettine and Farmer together. Lurking in the background was Scheiner and the analytics department. They lost influence with the departure of Banner. Obviously, Farmer and Pettine began to split over the drafting and signing of players. Farmer's texting an assistant coach during games in 2014 also was a problem for the coaching staff.
Meanwhile, Farmer and Pettine were suspicious of Scheiner and some of the accent on analytics. QUICK EXAMPLES:

1. Analytics would say that if you play the big money free agent game, you see players such as Paul Kruger and Desmond Bryant. They were coming to the end of their rookie contracts. The best age was 25-28 range, when they are in their prime. They were signed by Banner.
2. Analytics would be against giving multi-year contracts to players such as Donte Whitner, Tramon Williams and Karlo Dansby, who have reached 30-year-old level. They were signed by Farmer.
3. Quarterbacks are different, because they can play longer and even average NFL starting quarterbacks are so hard to find. So bringing in a 35-year-old Josh McCown as a veteran presence would be acceptable.
4. You can bring in a veteran of any age on a deal that's only guaranteed for a year (or just a bonus) if you think he can help. That's because it costs little to cut him.

In many ways, it was New School vs. Old School football. With the promotion of Brown and the hiring of Podesta, it's all New School Football. Analytics isn't all numbers. They do put value on attitude and background checks. It's part of the reason Manziel was rated so low in the Banner 2014 draft report.

In addition to a coach, the Browns will hire "a talent evaluator." They keep using that phrase with me, rather than a general manager. The talent evaluator must be a guy who buys into the basics of analytics and is also be able to work with the head coach.

ABOUT DOUG MARRONE

In 2013, the Browns offered the coaching job to Marrone. Instead, he went to Buffalo. Marrone was 6-10 and 9-7 in two years with the Bills. When there was an ownership change, he used a clause to opt out after the 2014 season. Marrone obviously believed he'd receive another chance to be a head coach. The 9-7 season was the best for the Bills since 2004. But he had no offers. He wasn't even hired as a coordinator. He landed in Jacksonville as an offensive line coach.

In Buffalo, Marrone was very strict. He also was sensitive to media criticism. The players hardly adored him. But he somehow was 9-7 with E.J. Manuel and Kyle Orton at quarterback. I talked to one executive who interviewed and researched Marrone. "A good man, but very strong-willed," said the executive. "He's an old-school coach." I find it hard to believe he'd blend with the new Browns. Nor would I want them to hire a coach whose philosophy was so different than that of the front office.

ABOUT HUE JACKSON

Cincinnati's offensive coordinator who will interview with the Browns. Jackson was 8-8 for Oakland in 2011 and fired after one season. Of the two, I prefer Jackson. If he can go 8-8 in Oakland, he knows what it's like to coach in the losing atmosphere of Cleveland. Dennis Allen replaced Jackson and was fired after an 8-28 record in 2 1/4 seasons.

Jackson's Raiders started the 2011 season at 7-4, then lost 4-of-5 to end at 8-8. He had a large say in trades for Aaron Curry and Carson Palmer, both worked out poorly for Oakland. I also hear that the 50-year-old Jackson leans in the Old School direction. But he is far more of a people person than Marrone, and may be more open to the analytic approach.

ABOUT THE BROWNS:

1. Chip Kelly loves analytics but he also loves to be charge. It's hard to imagine the former Eagles coach fitting into the Browns new structure. Kelly has said that he's content to just be a coach. He said this after being fired. But the Browns better proceed with caution if they decide to interview him.
2. The Browns are to interview Jerome Henderson, the defensive backs coach in Dallas. He had the same job with the Browns from 2009-11. Henderson was in Dallas with Scheiner in 2012, and that may have helped him secure an interview. He also drew raves from Browns cornerback Joe Haden.
3. Matt Patricia sounds like a coach made for the new Browns front office. The Patriots defensive coordinator has an aeronautical engineering degree from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. He has brought a lot of technology to the Patriots. But is the 41-year-old ready to be head coach? Not sure, but his story is interesting. The Browns have asked permission to talk to him.
4. The Browns plan to talk to Bengals defensive coordinator Paul Guenther. Hard to judge him. It's much like Patricia. Both guys stepped into great situations with strong head coaches who really know defense. Bill Belichick's fingerprints are all over everything in New England. Cincinnati's Marvin Lewis is a strong defensive head coach. His former assistant, Mike Zimmer (now head coach at Minnesota) really helped shape the Bengals defense.
5. Lovie Smith is now available. I'd chat with him, just to pick his brain. The same with Tom Coughlin.

I rue the day that the idiot Haslam fired Banner.

Not again,remember Romeo. Our worst records and most dismal stats have been under DCs turned HC. Bud Carson,Belichik,Butch Davis,Romeo,Mangini,Mike Petine. Only exception was Marty. They all did not care for offense,wanted all vanilla tango,run oriented but pass 3rd down,no imagination,no audible,keep score close,kick FG,ect,all tried and wanted to GM and HC at same time. Our OC HCs(ChrisPalmer-NFL office done him in,Chud,Pat Shurmer) did not get any help from GMs who refused to get needed RB and or legit WRs even when they fell to them-Banner,Farmer,Holgrem(run draft although prez/ceo),Mangini,Belichik and their D picks are hopeless-exception being ET and Joe Haden. Got Lucky on OL though-Toe T,Alex,Steve Everitt in first,Joel Bitonio,Mitchell Schwartz in second.

You've made that abundantly clear at least 8 million times. But thanks for the reminder.

W84NxtYear, there could very well be an 8th opening if the new GM decides to fire Caldwell in Detroit . . .

Great post. No one else repeats things over and over and over.

The article, as do many others, mentions Kelly as an option.

During the HC search in which Haslem hired Pettine, his number one, at the top of his list candidates was Kelly. At one point Haslem thought he had him. There were even reports that Kelly was a done deal. Then, in a surprise move, Kelly opted to go back to the Eagles and subsequently sign with them.

I think Haslem was stunned and probably felt Kelly had not been totally honest with him. For those reasons I don't see any chance Haslem would have Kelly here, especially with the HC reporting directly to him. Would Haslem trust Kelly to give him the straight dope? I doubt it.

The article I posted above had several links that didn't transfer. Here is the one about Patricia.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2015/12/how_matt_patricia_engineers_patriots_defense

I totally agree. As I recall it, Kelly agreed to a 2nd meeting over dinner, then simply didn't show...a very insulting way to turn down the offer. I think Haslam has no intention of signing Kelly.

And for the record, the Kelly dis lead to the Chud hiring.

Gase is the one candidate that I did not want. What the hell has he done? Taught Manning how to play QB. Freakign OC having the QB teach him his system lol. I thought he looked like a rookie OC in Chicago and without throwing it up to Alshon, he really didnt have a plan to succeed.

Hue Jackson, Mcdermit, Coughlin, Lovie are the guys who i think have the experience and would do a good job if the lawyers and nerds would get the hell out of their way but we know that isnt gonna happen. Henderson has a quality about him. I think he will be a great head coach but I dont think he has much of a chance to succeed in this toxic environment.

If we end up going with Hue, what are the odds that we bring AJ McCarron in to be our starting Qb? He has played pretty well in relief of Dalton, he already knows the offensive system and this would allow us to go a different route with the #2 pick.

I know, all those other teams are all interviewing Gruden and Billick etc. those big name coaches.

oh wait.

It seems our list is pretty much the same names as on every other teams list... I guess they have limited their pool of possible candidates too.

Just read that Gase and the Dolphins agree to terms.

I keep reading "no first time HC." A couple of points; 1) every good and great HC had a first HC job at some point in time, 2) just because it hasn't worked in the past, doesn't mean it will never work, and 3) it isn't like ours is the most desirable job on the market. Successful coaches with experience are in demand and will have better options. Marrone and Kelly have lumps, Saban, Cowher, and Guden are unlikely to leave their current positions. Gase is out of the picture. Based on the promotion of Brown and the hiring of Depodesta, I'm thinking Patricia is the most likely target, and may be the best suited to be successful within the structure Haslam has put in place.

I thought Banner was on to something good but I do believe that his hiring of Lombardi and the handling of the coaches after the first year left Haslam little choice but to fire him. He went all in on Lombardi and it failed. I also believe that our main issue with hiring our last two coaches was Banner himself. I think he turned a lot of people off. I thought he lucked into getting Chud even tho he was not our first choice.

Which is why I do not have quite the doom and gloom outlook on the HC hiring as some do. I don't see that prior to Banner, the Browns have had issues with getting top coaching candidates.

Why do a lot of folks infer that, since the Browns don't land Cowher, Gruden, Billick etc., that we are inept. These guys do not want to coach any longer, anywhere. Any one of them could have had numerous opportunities over the years and have not returned to coaching. We are not landing these guys because they do not want to coach.

I like Hue Jackson, but I don't think the front office will. He already dealt with an interfering owner in Al Davis, and I doubt that he wants to get into a situation where the owner and/or front office are going to try and coach through spreadsheets. He is more of an old school type, so I just don't see that as a fit.

Jerome Henderson is still my pick. I think that he'll be the guy they choose to lead this team.

Agree with much of what you said. I think Banner could have been a fantastic head of our organization. He had 2 problems. 1, hiring Lombardi. What was he thinking? We all knew that was a mistake when it happened. 2, he has san abrasive personality. It seems as if very few people who interact with him like him. Some people just have that quality about them. Unfortunately for him, it makes him very hard to work with.

I think I am most interested in Patricia. More because he is a perfect fit for what Haslam is trying to do than anything. The other candidates (other than Gase who is gone and Chip Kelly who I don't want) simply don't impress me. Marrone is probably the strongest ex-HC available, at least out of the recent ex-HC candidates.

Well, we've certainly seen how to hire people who shouldn't have been hired. So there's that.

If you were a top coaching candidate would you want to coach Jimmy's mess of a team? You wouldn't even consider it.

If we switch to a 4-3 I'll be thrilled. Tired of the 3-4.

People down here are livid about Gase being chosen, and calling their owner some not so nice names.

just curious... who would they have preferred?

This is a fluff piece, but the more I learn about Henderson, the more I am convinced that he will wind up being our guy.

5 things to know about Jerome Henderson
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...36-f8541f1ad0a4

Throughout the Browns’ search for a new head coach, ClevelandBrowns.com will break down the candidates after their interview with the team’s search committee is complete. It continues today with a look at Jerome Henderson, the first candidate to have a past with the Browns.

1. Henderson is the first candidate to interview who has spent extensive time in the Browns’ facility in Berea. Henderson came to Cleveland in 2009 with Eric Mangini, whom he coached under the previous two seasons with the New York Jets. Though Mangini was fired at the end of the 2010 season, Henderson remained with the Browns for one more season in the same position under Pat Shurmur. He reunited with former Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan in Dallas for the 2012 season and has remained with the Cowboys under multiple other defensive coordinators.

2. In Cleveland, Henderson was Joe Haden’s first defensive back coach. Haden is the lone remaining defensive back who was with the Browns during Henderson’s tenure. Haden, who had six interceptions as a rookie, often credited Henderson for his quick adjustment to the NFL. "He was on top of me, as far as my technique would go," Haden told MLive.com in October 2013. "I mean, every single day, every practice play, he would never, ever get off my back. He was a big reason. He kept pushing me to never take any plays off and get my technique more and more sound every practice."

3. The Cowboys went through a woeful 2015 season and finished with one of their worst records in years, but pass defense wasn’t an issue. Dallas finished the year fifth in the league, allowing 227 yards through the air per game. The Cowboys allowed just five players to go over 100 receiving yards and intercepted eight passes.

4. In a January 2012 meeting with reporters, Henderson was asked if he’s laid back or more of a taskmaster. “I’m whatever I need to be at the time,” he said. “There are times when I’m laid back. There are times when I get aggressive because the situation dictates me to be aggressive. It’s situational football, even for me as a coach. I got to be able to come into the situation and say, ‘what do I need to be with this group to get them where we’ve got to go?’”

5. As a player, Henderson was a second-round pick out of Clemson in 1991. He lasted eight years in the NFL with four different teams -- New England, New York Jets, Philadelphia and Buffalo -- and appeared in 98 games (34 starts). Henderson played in two Super Bowls, one with the Bills and another with the Patriots, but came away on the losing end of both. Henderson played for Hall of Fame coaches Marv Levy in Buffalo and Bill Parcells in New England and New York.

By letting Gase out of Cleveland without signing already shows that the hierarchy is incapable of action. Absolutely clueless

I guess we will see if the issue hiring a top coaching candidate wa due to Banner and his personality or if it is a product of Jimmy Haslam being the owner.

The Browns have not had a difficult time finding a head coach in the past(pre Banner/Haslam) and it wasn't like the organization was the picture of organization and functionality then either.

Looking at our past coaches, most where near the top of the prospect list at the time. Although they didn't work out, they were pretty hot commodities ( except Shurmur, but he was our big name presidential hires top choice).

So I guess we will know soon enough.