DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum It's early, but John DeFilippo doesn't look like a rookie offensive coordinator for Cleveland Browns: Tom Reed

Yes, I believe he's on par with our previous OC's. I thought I put that in my posts, but I didn't. My b was p. high

I'm not sure how amazing Shanny or Flip is. Shanny hasn't been able to find a way to finish the season as a top OC. He does pretty decent at the start, but then quickly regresses. I think Flip might be on par with someone like that.

Flip is going to do a great job in the NFL for a long, long, time I hope it's with us.

I think Flip had some rough games. Especially those ones where we were getting yards on the ground, and yet he'd abandon the run game. I think he's creative and put guys in position.

He was given a good pass protecting line for the most part, and the surprise decent-to-good play from Josh at QB likely shocked us all, but helped Flip.

To be honest, I kind of hope whoever we hire will retain Flip. I don't see him getting a HC gig, but he could get snagged up elsewhere for OC.

The thing with Flip leaving is that we cannot stop him leaving for a HC job, however, he cannot take an OC job with another team unless we give the okay. Pettine was fired, not Flip. Flip is still under contract - for now.

Thanks Jester! So sounds like our new staff will get final say on him as OC because, as I said earlier, I don't see a team giving him a HC gig.

But cheers again bro for the contract info, totally forgot about that!

Not necessarily, if the Rams want him as OC our FO could release him from his contract before we hire our new HC

Neither do I at this time. He's only had 1 year of the NFL "experience" and, while Flip may be great at some point down the road, I expect he is perceived as being too "wet-behind-the-ears"...

It doesn't seem as though that would be true. What if Flip doesn't want to work with the new HC. Do we force that?

Are you sure of this?

Pretty sure. Flip is under contract until we terminate it. If another coach comes in and wants to keep him he stays regardless of what he wants.

If he's still under contract doesn't that also mean we had to give permission for him to interview? If we're giving permission I seriously doubt we have any intentions of holding him to that contract.

We had to give permission for him to interview for the OC job with the Rams because it is a lateral move. We did not have to give permission for him to interview for the SF HC job as that is a promotion.

As for our intentions to hold him to his contract or not, I have no insight into that. Perhaps we are acting in good faith and allowing him to interview in the event we do not keep him, with the plan being for the new HC to pick his staff that may or may not include Flip.

Yeah, I don't think it's right for a team to hinder a coach from finding work by holding him hostage knowing the new HC may opt to not use him.

Quick question? What if they give him the Assistant Coach title along with OC?

Sorry I meant the Rams or 49ers adding the title of AC

Good question. I don't know the answer.

What I do know is that some teams give a coordinator or position coach the assistant/co HC title so that they can keep them from interviewing for HC jobs.

What has Flip really accomplished to earn such an honor from any team?

Oh I was just spitballing the question because I really didn't know. Let's say he knocked the Ram's socks off in the interview and the only way they could actually get him was by adding the TITLE of Asst. Coach

Exactly.

Only thing I see as advantage keeping Flip is continuity and stability. Flip showed nothing to me he isn't worth keeping around.

I think there will be some good coaches available on either side of the ball.

Not saying it is a good mix...Hue Jackson HC; Jim Schwartz DC; Doug Marrone OC...might be available.

Jester, a rule was put in place a few years ago that made all assistant positions lateral for that reason.

The team wants the possibility of retaining defilippo but it's the new coach's prerogative to keep him or not. That is why they are granting him permission to interview, because they aren't guaranteeing his position next year.

It would somewhat satisfy the continuity concerns a tad...

He also had McCown looking better than he ever has in his career for at least short stretch... no small feat

Just tryin to help!

But on a serious note, it will be the same concerns trying to find an OC and DC in regards to the proposed set up as there are with finding a HC. Opinions are going to vary about Flip's offense, but overall I don't believe he can be called incompetent. People criticize him about abandoning the run game, true, but it's not like he completely abandoned the RB's. Some people would at short passes and screens to the RB as an extension to the running game. In the passing game, I think our QB's would have put up much higher numbers if we had a game breaker kind of WR. There were difficulties in the Red ZOne to be sure, but that would be expected I think in a rookie OC's new system.

I honestly wouldn't be opposed to retaining him (and O'Connell) because I'm not sure we're likely to get an established superstar OC, but I would like to hear from Flip more about what his offense is supposed to look like and how it's supposed to run.

That is what I was thinking. He is a good guy and all, but he is a little short on measurable results that point to him being a head coach.

Oh yeah, for HC definitely. I'm actually surprised anyone brought him in for that. But I think as I pointed pout in my above edited post that he's at least earned serious consideration to be retained.

I wasn't talking about why the Browns should do that. I was talking about why any team would make that offer. I just don't see it.

Flip getting an interview with the 49ers. Doesn't he satisfy the Rooney Rule as a Latino?

You are joking, right?

There's just no helping some people my friend lol

As far as Flip: gotcha. I misunderstood a bit on your original point.

Not before coffee, lol. Is that an Italian name then? I'm just trying to make sense of him getting an interview as HC. Just seems so soon. I'm usually not "Bah humbug, token interview" guy, but it exists when some teams have their guy in site already. I also don't know who they've interviews other than Koetter.

Yes, it is an Italian name.

Well when you compare what he did with out offense in 2015, to what Kyle Shanahan did with our offense in 2014 I would say he out Coached your boy Shanahan.

Of course you would.

Our 3rd down conversions went from 61 out of 207 for Shanny to 95 out of 227 for Flip. Our total offensive yards went from 5193 under Shanny to 5311 under Flip. Our passing yards went from 3678 yards to 4156 yards. Our T.O.P. went from 28.13 to 31.01. We threw for 8 more touchdowns, and four less INT's. We did all of this even with all the injuries we had this year with our O-line and WR's and with a rookie OC who is improving verses Shanny who you LOVED.

Yeah okay..........I really don't give a rat's butt about it. You completely missed the point I was making. Have a nice day.

Is is likely that the FO's analytical approach would mean that there is a chance that Flip is retained. It would help as far as continuity is concerned. Also, the rebuilding process shouldn't take as long on the offensive side of the ball.

If Flip was to be retained, they would have never let him interview elsewhere.