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If he's not out there, that hands on the ref incident most likely doesn't happen, and the coach knew his presence on the field would spark something to draw a flag.

That's slightly ridiculous.

Gosh those poor Bengals.

Next thing you're ganna tell me Pacman didn't actually touch a ref, but a Steeler player grab his hand and made him do it..

He's not 6 years old. He's an adult. Making his own choices.

Porter knew exactly what he was doing, and he was successful. I don't agree with what Pacman did either, and I also don't agree with Porter being on the field when he had no business there to begin with.
Makes no difference to me, I hate both of em.

ESPN - Joey Porter of Pittsburgh Steelers will be fined for going onto field against Cincinnati Bengals. As I said... the refs really botched this one.

J/C
Two reasons that I absolutely hate the Pittsburgh Steelers:

1.) They are one of the dirtiest teams in the league that always gets the benefit of the doubt and always act like the other team is classless when they are given a taste of their own medicine. Granted, I didn't watch the game, but it sounded like Cincy had a tough time keeping themselves in check.

2.) They have, by far, the most obnoxious fan base in the entire league. Of course, they call themselves "Steeler Nation" but man were they quiet early in the year when it looked like their playoff chance were as good as ours. As a matter of fact, I heard more boos watching some of their games. My Facebook news feed has been completely filled with these "Die hard" fans, many of which I didn't even know liked football.

I hope Denver destroys them and all their stupid one for the other thumb crap can stop....

I'm not picking on Dover or anyone else, but it's the exact type of crap we hear from those defending Manziel. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

I have no idea how old any of those people are, but from a big-picture, 30,000 feet view....I think it's a CULTURAL thing. Total lack of personal responsibility or accountability. Everything is always somebody else's fault. It's always because somebody ELSE did something, said something, thinks something, feels a certain way. It's because the system is flawed. We weren't given a fair chance. The rules are biased. The decision makers are corrupt. And on and on and on....to the point you can do literally whatever you want, whenever you want and it can be "reasoned" away.

/Soapbox

Two thoughts here:

1. I don't know why anyone would ever fall for his schtick. He's been doing it for 20 years... and he never struck me as some sort of genius manipulator.

2. How could anyone EVER be provoked by something he says? His enunciation of vowels and consonants suggests that he's always holding a dozen marbles in his mouth.

Mike Carey explained it very well. Giovanni had already secured the pass, turned upfield and 'made a football move before Shazier made contact. At that point, GB was a runner, and the rules are different in that case. That was enough to allow the refs to keep the flags in their pockets. (Clemmy side note: imo, they could have tossed the yellow for Shazier's use of the helmet's crown, but that's a subject for another post...)

Burfict used his shoulder, but it was on a defenseless WR who didn't have possession of the ball.

...and therein lies the difference.

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+1

I sent it to you.

Agree, but by NFL rules he is allowed on the field and if the refs thought he had done anything wrong they could have penalized the Steelers but until Jones stuck his nose in it everything was pretty civil.

You're awesome.

I was conflicted with this game, as I am every time those two play, as I cannot stand either team. I hate them both.

I grew up in Youngstown where the fan base is split with Cle and Pit. I moved to Columbus after college where, among the natives, it is split between Cle and Cin. I have spent about the same amount of time in each place so I have an even perspective on the two.

Pitt fans are passionate and, yes, can be obnoxious and ignorant. Good luck finding a passionate fan base that does not have some of those elements. But I see them as good fans. They support their team throughout the years.

IMO, it's the Cincy fans I find worse. When Cincy was doing bad you saw no Bengal gear around town, no one flying the banners or wearing their jerseys. No one talking about them. Now that they have somewhat of a positive run they are everywhere. Smells of bandwagon to me.

A friend of mine pointed something out to me last time we were at a Browns game. Thinking back over the years to the jerseys we see the fans wear to the game. For the Browns, you see a lot of Sipe, Kosar, Newsome, Pruitt, Matthews, Slaughter, and Dixon along with Joe Thomas, Whitner and the recent guys. Same with the Pitt fans - you see Troy and Antonio Brown and Harrison and Ben but you will also see a lot from the past, aged buy worn proudly. Cincy? No Ken Anderson, no Woods, no Munoz, no Esiason. Just current flavors. Hey, the local team seems to be doing OK, I will start watching them again.

I see the same kind of thing on the board. A couple of the Steeler fans here are positive additions to the community. Sk8termom and, I forget his name but he is fairly active leading up to the draft with a lot of insight. Great people to talk football with. The Bengal fans who come here only come here to run their mouth and they disappear when things go south.

So, I am happy Pit won, especially with the implosion at the end by Cincinnati.

I only saw the 2nd half, and only read the last page of this thread so far.

My thoughts was that the meltdown was epic. We have yet to lose a game like that.

I do not want to hear a Bengal fan mention the bottle-gate Jax game again, as they did the same yesterday. Cheering an injury is always classless.

I see Burfect and PacMan as I see Johnny. When you bring someone with a history to yor team, you can't be surprised when that history keeps on.

The coach can't control those guys, it's obvious. Those two lost it at the worst possible time. Did Porter go out there to poke the stick? Sure. And it worked. If a player cannot handle mind games, then that's his problem. Jones runs his mouth all the time. Why? To get in someone's head. Porter did no different. Dish it out, then don't get all butt-hurt when someone returns the favor.

I didn't think Lewis was the problem with the struggles. I put it on Dalton. I do not think he is the kind of guy who can lead a team deep in the playoffs. Cincy has had talent for quite some time. Dalton is the worst possible level of QB, can get you enough wins to think he is not the problem so you keep sticking with him. Weeden, Quinn, Frye, etc. They were bad enough for us to know to move on after two years. I see Tannehill as another like Dalton.

But now I think Lewis is a problem. He lost control of the team. Kinda like John Cooper's last game. A bowl game that went poorly, and the players started committing stupid penalties.

Happy Pitt won so that the Cincy playoff streak continues. Now they can lose next week.

Now, I read something earlier today (I can't find it though) that said coaches are not allowed on the field during an injury timeout. Only doctors or trainers are.

I could be wrong but it's my understanding that they are allowed on the field during an injury timeout.

Porter did what Porter does. The best defense against hot heads is to get under their skin. He got William Green ejected during the coin toss years ago. I can't stand Porter, but he cashed in on an opportunity. That game had the best outcome for me....bungles lose and the steelers are too physically beat up to continue. Can you imagine what the Bronco's D will do to them? Also, don't minimize the altitude advantage.

You might be right. I don't know. And I'm certainly not trying to argue.

I didn't even watch the game, as I couldn't stand to see either of the teams win. I went to bed. But my wife kept waking me up to tell me what was going on.

jc



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Porter is not an attendant or a trainer, so he shouldn't have been on the field. Another blown call by the refs.

'Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict should be banned from the NFL'

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/1/...ed-from-the-nfl

Some clips and GIFS at the above link, if interested.

P.S. Here comes some snow!

j/c

How was this ruled a catch?

https://youtu.be/__YbopVr9bU

They said he maintained control through the process.....and it's the steelers.

jc...

For all those defending Pitt and bashing on Cincy, the problem in a nutshell is twofold...yes, guys like Burfict and Jones are morons...but it was also Cincy players tiring of the Pitt favoritism and going bat crap crazy because of it. Imagine pouring your heart out and being the better team only to have the game taken away from you by the refs. Hell, even the announcers favor Pitt, refusing to call plays as they see them and dreaming up reasons why a certain play should go Pitt's way. It's not too different than professional wrestling. Nantz and Simms turned their heads every time Pitt pulled out a foreign object.

I don't think I've ever seen more blatant favoritism in any sport than that which exists with Pitt and the NFL. I'll never forget in the glorious Mangini season one when they brought out the measuring sticks to see if Pitt had reached a first down. The cameras clearly showed they were short, but awarded Pitt the first down anyway. The announcers said it must have been the camera angle. In my 30 some years of watching football and watching thousands of games that's the only time I've seen "the camera angle" issue.

At some point it just grates on you as I imagine it did Cincy's players. If the refs had called the game fairly, even for both teams, it would have never escalated the way it did.

I'm glad the Steelers won. The Bengals have no class at all.

That was one of the most blatant miscalls I've ever seen, and I remember the announcers talking about the camera angle. If anything that angle would make the ball appear closer to the stick than make it short.

Here's what I think is funny. James Harrison took the head off of one of our receivers and our QB in games during a season and not once did people say that he should be banned from the league. ALL of my Steeler Facebook friends have gone on and on about how Burfict should be banned from the league. Perception is reality. The Steeler fans see Harrison as a hard-nosed football legend and Burfict as a loose cannon thug. But from the outside, they are very much one in the same...

Right, along with Big Ben's WOW reaction following the measurement and putting his helmet back on to return to play because he himself couldn't believe the refs blew it.

Astute point.

andd the Steelers do??

That's my one for this year.... lol

Then whats the difference here? Caught the ball, took several steps, gets hit. Flag on the Bengals.

Wheaton catch

I am no fan of either team, certainly dislike the Steelers more, but Cincy is officially the dirtiest team in the NFL and might have the dumbest players as well.

J/C
IMO it's like this. Each season, the Steeler's create more controversy and benefit from it than ANY other team in the league, one would have to be blind not to see it.
I'm in contact with many Steeler fans daily (hell I even live with them), and when the Steeler's create this controversy, the bandwagon Steeler fans that know nothing about football see right past the crap and are only happy because they won. The Steeler fans that do actually know football, try to spin it into some crap and get you to believe it while knowing the truth about why they won.

the difference?

bad call against CIN.

The whole problem I have with the hit is Shazier led with the crown of his helmet and made contact with the helmet of the Cincy player. That should be a penalty every time, or am I mistaken about the rules? I was pretty sure leading with the the crown and hitting another player in the head was a penalty regardless of him being a runner.

This should help define it.

NFL.com

So by reading this it should have been a penalty IMO:

It was an illegal hit with the crown of the helmet. Bernard was a reciever in that situation, if any other WR were to take a hit like that right after catching the ball it's a flag %100 of the time no questions asked.

That is only for Team timeouts that states nothing about official injury timeouts.

I know it's college, but Joey Bosa got ejected from the fiesta bowl for a very light tap that was about chest to chest, but the helmuts touched. So Shaziers hit should have been a fine, a flag and ejcection and a suspension.
(But hey, since the rules don't apply, I bet we can expect joey Bosa to end up a Steeler.)

The pittsburg steelers organization should be banned from football and dissolved.