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No, he didn't chose the Dolphins over the Browns. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't offered a job with the Browns or anywhere else. How in the hell do you know he wouldn't have accepted the job with the browns if it was offered. Tell me how you ABSOLUTELY KNOW he'd have chosen the Dolphins over the Browns.. Tell me!
All Gase had to do was wait for second interviews.
I heard on the Browns Daily that Gase was pushing to be the first guy hired. He was going to take the first offer. I am not saying I wouldn't want him, but not at the expense of not talking to all the field of candidates.
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I am hoping that Brown having control over the 53 man roster means that if the GM and the coach have a differing view over whom to draft or sign then Brown listens to both sides, consults the numbers and makes a final decision. Hopefully we do not have the situation we had this year with Manziel, Bowe etc. Where it was apparent that Farmer was bringing in guys that Pettine wanted no part of and instead of working together they were both content to let their egos sink the team even further.
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I really wish the NFL would not allow coaching interviews to take place until after the Superbowl. I think the current way hurts both the coach and team.
As it is it is like starting a race before everybody is in the gate.
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There sure seems to be a lot of guys w/final say over the roster.  Nothing new. Too many cooks in the kitchen botches the recipe.
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No, he didn't chose the Dolphins over the Browns. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't offered a job with the Browns or anywhere else. How in the hell do you know he wouldn't have accepted the job with the browns if it was offered. Tell me how you ABSOLUTELY KNOW he'd have chosen the Dolphins over the Browns.. Tell me!
All Gase had to do was wait for second interviews.
It apparently wasn't offered, The Browns continued to interview candidate after candidate. Nothing was ever leaked about Gase being seriously considered. He interviewed with Miami, they offered, he accepted... End of discussion.
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No, he didn't chose the Dolphins over the Browns. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't offered a job with the Browns or anywhere else. How in the hell do you know he wouldn't have accepted the job with the browns if it was offered. Tell me how you ABSOLUTELY KNOW he'd have chosen the Dolphins over the Browns.. Tell me!
All Gase had to do was wait for second interviews.
I heard on the Browns Daily that Gase was pushing to be the first guy hired. He was going to take the first offer. I am not saying I wouldn't want him, but not at the expense of not talking to all the field of candidates.
You heard it on the radio?...two guys talking...giving their opinions and not quoting anyone or quoting a story?
..just two guys talking on the radio?
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Seriously, Mac? You call out somebody for that? How many times do you provide a link when you spew you're paranoia -reeked speculation?
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No, he didn't chose the Dolphins over the Browns. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't offered a job with the Browns or anywhere else. How in the hell do you know he wouldn't have accepted the job with the browns if it was offered. Tell me how you ABSOLUTELY KNOW he'd have chosen the Dolphins over the Browns.. Tell me!
All Gase had to do was wait for second interviews.
I heard on the Browns Daily that Gase was pushing to be the first guy hired. He was going to take the first offer. I am not saying I wouldn't want him, but not at the expense of not talking to all the field of candidates.
You heard it on the radio?...two guys talking...giving their opinions and not quoting anyone or quoting a story?
..just two guys talking on the radio? Mac...in all fairness, you post articles w/o any quotes justifying your position or logic, so if someone wants to provide info by a host on a Browns radio show, so what? Quotes aren't always the be all indicator of what is going on. "Sources", despite many people not wanting to read this, do generally provide significant information about what is going on for a sports franchise. People just don't want to read it because it effects their agenda. Not saying you have an agenda but I'm sure you're smelling what I'm steppin' in. 
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No, he didn't chose the Dolphins over the Browns. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't offered a job with the Browns or anywhere else. How in the hell do you know he wouldn't have accepted the job with the browns if it was offered. Tell me how you ABSOLUTELY KNOW he'd have chosen the Dolphins over the Browns.. Tell me!
All Gase had to do was wait for second interviews.
I heard on the Browns Daily that Gase was pushing to be the first guy hired. He was going to take the first offer. I am not saying I wouldn't want him, but not at the expense of not talking to all the field of candidates.
You heard it on the radio?...two guys talking...giving their opinions and not quoting anyone or quoting a story?
..just two guys talking on the radio? Oh Come on Mac...I can't believe you just did that. WOW. You've done gone off the rails man.
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No, he didn't chose the Dolphins over the Browns. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't offered a job with the Browns or anywhere else. How in the hell do you know he wouldn't have accepted the job with the browns if it was offered. Tell me how you ABSOLUTELY KNOW he'd have chosen the Dolphins over the Browns.. Tell me!
All Gase had to do was wait for second interviews.
It apparently wasn't offered, The Browns continued to interview candidate after candidate. Nothing was ever leaked about Gase being seriously considered. He interviewed with Miami, they offered, he accepted... End of discussion.
Now if folks want to believe control of 53 man roster was not a consideration in Gase's decision to take the Dolphins job...so be it.
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Well it still could be true that he wanted to be the first one to sign. There is an advantage in getting your staff together. It is rather logical to want that.
Control of the 53...glad you know our new system inside and out. Cause I don't.
Why would they make a POINT to hire the HC first and then let him Hand pick his GM. Wouldn't that give him - without knowing exactly who has what power - be the #1 football guy and have a very big say in the Roster?
Yo have your mind all made up and are certain that some Office people have the say in the roster and not the football people.
All I see is they have made a definite decision that the HC will have the football power over the GM - he will have a very bid say in who his GM will be not the other way around.
SO I don't know what this bit about the HC having limited power so that they will not sign here comes from.
How many HC's get to pick their GM/Head of Personnel?
We want the two HC n GM to work together. That left two options. Hire the GM as he would have the ALPHA Power and in turn he would Pick his HC that he can work with.
Instead we felt it more important to get the Alpha HC to be the guy in charge and he would hand pick his GM.
How does that remotely spell him not having any control of the Roster???
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mac, did you want Gase as the coach?
If so, why?
If not, then isn't it a good thing that "control" kept him away? There hasn't been one report that indicates the Browns are crying in their Wheaties over this. As a matter of fact, I've read multiple things that would lead me to believe that Gase was at best the 4th or 5th option of the Browns when ranking the candidates.
Why don't we see what ultimately ends up happening before jumping to conclusions? You do realize that we've had coaches and GMs with control of the 53 and those regimes flat out failed right?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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There sure seems to be a lot of guys w/final say over the roster. Nothing new. Too many cooks in the kitchen botches the recipe. You can have as many cooks in the kitchen as you want as long as there is a head chef that makes the final decision.
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Maybe we should actually see how this gets set up. Instead everyone is predicting this and that when we don't know. Obviously the football people will have the final say regarding to the talent on the roster. There will also be an economics that will have to take some power in this only because we do have a cap to deal with...The GM seems to be taking a back seat to the Mathematicians regarding to Capology.
As for Brown...he will keep the organization running smooth and void of any in fighting (Power Moves) which come up a lot with HC n GM eventually.
In our recent past I think the two Pet n Farm tried to work together but there just was a chasm of basic football philosophy between the two...in hind sight because of that it was doomed.
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There sure seems to be a lot of guys w/final say over the roster. Nothing new. Too many cooks in the kitchen botches the recipe. You can have as many cooks in the kitchen as you want as long as there is a head chef that makes the final decision. Who is our head chef?
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There sure seems to be a lot of guys w/final say over the roster. Let's get 53 guys, each one responsible for one spot on the roster. Nice and focused.
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There sure seems to be a lot of guys w/final say over the roster. Nothing new. Too many cooks in the kitchen botches the recipe. You can have as many cooks in the kitchen as you want as long as there is a head chef that makes the final decision. Who is our head chef? Who knows At this point, the way I understand it is this: Owners: Dee and Jimmy Head coach: reports to Jimmy and Dee GM: reports to Sashi Brown Who in term reports to Jimmy and Dee. Head of Strategy (or something like that) reports to Sashi Brown All I can do at this point is guess. What we heard was that Sashi would have final say on the 53. Then we heard last night that if Hue Jackson will have big control if he's hired. Honestly, a ton of mixed messages are being sent.. But rather than pick on them for things we don't know, I'm going to do what I always do, let it play out.
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There sure seems to be a lot of guys w/final say over the roster. Nothing new. Too many cooks in the kitchen botches the recipe. You can have as many cooks in the kitchen as you want as long as there is a head chef that makes the final decision. Who is our head chef? Looks to me like it will be Sashi Brown that will be the head chef. My understanding last year was that no one had any idea who to ask when it came to making a final decision. One example would be the near-trade of Joe Thomas. Denver had no idea who made the final decision on the deal they wanted to offer and couldn't find anyone that would give the go ahead. Luckily the deal fell through because of that.
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No, he didn't chose the Dolphins over the Browns. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't offered a job with the Browns or anywhere else. How in the hell do you know he wouldn't have accepted the job with the browns if it was offered. Tell me how you ABSOLUTELY KNOW he'd have chosen the Dolphins over the Browns.. Tell me!
All Gase had to do was wait for second interviews.
I heard on the Browns Daily that Gase was pushing to be the first guy hired. He was going to take the first offer. I am not saying I wouldn't want him, but not at the expense of not talking to all the field of candidates.
You heard it on the radio?...two guys talking...giving their opinions and not quoting anyone or quoting a story?
..just two guys talking on the radio? OK .."Gase was pushing to be the first guy hired. He was going to take the first offer." Better?
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Well it still could be true that he wanted to be the first one to sign. There is an advantage in getting your staff together. It is rather logical to want that.
As for hiring the coaching staff, I've criticized the Browns for dragging out their coaching searches to a point where your new coach has nothing but the leftovers to pick from in an effort to build a Browns coaching staff.
Pettine was forced to sift through the leftover assistant coaches when Haslam made him the last HC hired in 2014. I do agree, not being one of the last HCs hired should be a consideration for the HC candidate as well as the franchise trying to hire a HC. Control of the 53...glad you know our new system inside and out. Cause I don't.
Why would they make a POINT to hire the HC first and then let him Hand pick his GM. Wouldn't that give him - without knowing exactly who has what power - be the #1 football guy and have a very big say in the Roster?
The HC will be one of many who do the search for a GM...Sashi, Jimmy, Dee, Jed and also the HC will be involved in GM search. The GM will be "a football guy" and will be in charge of talent acquisition but control of the 53 man roster will remain with Sashi. Yo have your mind all made up and are certain that some Office people have the say in the roster and not the football people.
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I watched Haslam's presser and he clearly said, Sashi will control the 53 man roster...should I believe Haslam?
He also said in reality he'd expect several people to work really close together, the GM, Sashi, and the HC. I wouldn't necessarily peg this as everyone must bow to Sashi. This would seem the three would work with each other under the same plan. I don't think Sashi is going to lay the hammer down and say "these are the players you will be using like it or not."
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Honestly, i think the whole thing is set up to fail from the start.
You can't have a lawyer and some baseball guy having control of the roster. No matter what coach we hire is gurantee you there will be a power struggle withing the 1st 12-16 months...its not going to work.
We should just hire a coach and give him 100% control of the roster, let the coach hire his GM(Head scout), and the scouting people and let them report to the HC and let the head coach decide the roster by taking input from the GM and scout he delegated to do the homework.
You need one guy in charge, not 3 people jockey for position over the roaster..this is a HUGE mistake.
The best thing Jimmy could do right now is get on the phone with Tom Coughlin and tell him i'll gurnatee you 6 years in contract with 100% roster control you can hire your own GM and whomever you want, then fire Sashi Brown and tell podesta to pack his things and get out, then get out of Coughlin's way and let him fix the team.
Coughlin came off the Parcells treee, and only him and Bellichik were successful off that tree...Coughlin's methods have been proven over and over and over again to be right, Coughlin runs things the same way Parcells and Bellichik do, the guy knows what the H he is doing, we need to just hand him the keys as Head Coach and get out of his stinking way.
Im sick and tired of losing with hairbrained idead such as this...Coughlin is that light at the end of the tunnell that can pull us out of this mess, in 5 years he could win us a Super Bowl and then retire and leave the Browns roster, coaching staff, and culture completely changed here...I have no doubt Coughlin could win a SB here...the guy is a HOF coach, he toughed it out in NY, he is a great D coach, he done very well beating the Steelers as Jacksonville's head coach and the Jag's have stunk since he left..
We got our chance right...a chance to get this team on track and actually win...the only question is..will Jimmy swallow his pride and hand over the keys to someone who knows what the hell they are doing (Coughlin) and then get out of the man's way and let him fix this team and its roster? I honestly doublt he does...Truck Stop Jimmy is the worst owner in the NFL, he is worse then Jr. ever was and thats just pathetic...
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Negotiation is what all this is about.
That goes for any job.
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Negotiation is what all this is about.
That goes for any job. Absolutely. Just last night I saw a report on WKYC from Jimmy Donovan that said that Hue Jackson was the guy the Browns wanted and almost in the same breath, he said that Jackson will have "big" Say (or words to that effect) on the roster and especially the QB. That's almost in direct conflict with Sashi Brown having final say on the 53. Question: Did Jackson insist on that amount of say on the Roster? Was it negotiated into the deal by Jackson? So, I would say that nothing is completely final. I'm certain as can be that if the Browns fall in love with a guy, and that guy wants something, he'll get it.
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All the talk between parties involved is negotiation.
That goes both ways. The prospect has the power to negotiate terms. The owner can decide how important job titles and responsibilities are.
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EO...I'm not buying the idea that being the first coach hired in 2016 was a priority on Gase's list.
As for hiring the coaching staff, I've criticized the Browns for dragging out their coaching searches to a point where your new coach has nothing but the leftovers to pick from in an effort to build a Browns coaching staff.I'm not selling anything so whether you buy it or not means nothing to me. I said that it is logical.
This is what confuses me in discussing with you.
You state you aren't buying that being first hired was a priority for Gase.
Then you go and state how important it is to hire first as a priority to get your staff together. You say you aren't buying I think sometimes you say it just to say it...then you go and give the LOGICAL REASON WHY HE WOULD MAKE IT A PRIORITY...do you realize you do that???
As for Pettine Banner already had his hire for OC made up and that was Shanny - he basically turned us down and looked elsewhere and there were no buyers so he came back to us and Pettine said OK but Flip was his choice who btw was still available.
His DC we all know who that was.
SO just is this foorced to sift stuff coming from. Prove it...do you have a QUOTE... lol 
The Browns HC will NOT be hand picking his GM, according to Haslam's presser.
The HC will be one of many who do the search for a GM...Sashi, Jimmy, Dee, Jed and also the HC will be involved in GM search. The GM will be "a football guy" and will be in charge of talent acquisition but control of the 53 man roster will remain with Sashi. Wrong...committee of 4 to pick HC and then HC will join the 4 in picking the GM. The reason is to make sure there is compatibility with HC and GM - His opinion in this will hold the highest value and if he states - I CAN'T WORK WITH THIS GUY - Ya think he will get over ridden. SB will have the buck stop at his desk regarding the Roster. It doesn't mean his input is the one that counts. His value is to keep it organized and void of any In house fighting. Putting a HEAD on something doesn't always mean Micro Managing.
He will let the Football people do their work and he will step in when there is conflict. And I say this with pure speculation cause I don't know for certain. It amazes me that you claim you do. What is said is not always literally it can be structually.
But never mind cause I can predict whats coming next...
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j/C: FWIW.... Rapoport: The #Browns have put themselves in an incredibly good position to close this with Hue Jackson.
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EO...I'll play...Wrong...committee of 4 to pick HC and then HC will join the 4 in picking the GM.
You even quoted what I said and got it wrong...
I said.."The HC will be one of many who do the search for a GM...Sashi, Jimmy, Dee, Jed and also the HC will be involved in GM search."
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Rapoport just tweeted he would not be surprised to see if they made an offer today. What's taking so long, if Jimmy and the boys like him. Be the first to offer him and put some pressure on the niners and giants.
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The reason is to make sure there is compatibility with HC and GM - His opinion in this will hold the highest value and if he states - I CAN'T WORK WITH THIS GUY - Ya think he will get over ridden. SB will have the buck stop at his desk regarding the Roster. It doesn't mean his input is the one that counts. His value is to keep it organized and void of any In house fighting. Putting a HEAD on something doesn't always mean Micro Managing.
He will let the Football people do their work and he will step in when there is conflict. And I say this with pure speculation cause I don't know for certain. It amazes me that you claim you do. What is said is not always literally it can be structually.
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I'm ok with hue. I was scared that we kept coordinators though. I just read that we would let the d-coordinator go. thank god. even the players hated that defense.
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I really wish the NFL would not allow coaching interviews to take place until after the Superbowl. I think the current way hurts both the coach and team.
As it is it is like starting a race before everybody is in the gate. TOTALLY agree!
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Truth is none of know who this is going to work out.Hello is there an echo???
That is what I have been telling you ...but you insist you know exactly who is doing what and who is running this and that. I've been saying Including myself we don't know exactly what is going on. That its all guessing and opinions. then you go and say that as if it was your thought process...  I give up...lol but always a pleasure. 
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just clicking...
Now the stat boys have a decision to make...do they jump on to the Hue Jackson train, sign him as their next HC?
OR, do they wait to do second interviews for other candidates on their list?.. such as Patricia?
If the Patriots win this weekend and keep winning, it could be a long wait for the Browns.
Time for the stat boys to earn their keep...what do the Browns do?
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just clicking...
Now the stat boys have a decision to make...do they jump on to the Hue Jackson train, sign him as their next HC?
OR, do they wait to do second interviews for other candidates on their list?.. such as Patricia?
If the Patriots win this weekend and keep winning, it could be a long wait for the Browns.
Time for the stat boys to earn their keep...what do the Browns do?
Oh Great,, another nickname... Geez
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Yeah, I'm waiting in anticipation for you to tells how whatever choice they make is the wrong one..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Truth is none of know who this is going to work out.Hello is there an echo???
That is what I have been telling you ...but you insist you know exactly who is doing what and who is running this and that. I've been saying Including myself we don't know exactly what is going on. That its all guessing and opinions. then you go and say that as if it was your thought process... I give up...lol but always a pleasure. Wrong...committee of 4 to pick HC and then HC will join the 4 in picking the GM. The reason is to make sure there is compatibility with HC and GM - His opinion in this will hold the highest value and if he states - I CAN'T WORK WITH THIS GUY - Ya think he will get over ridden. SB will have the buck stop at his desk regarding the Roster. It doesn't mean his input is the one that counts. His value is to keep it organized and void of any In house fighting. Putting a HEAD on something doesn't always mean Micro Managing.
He will let the Football people do their work and he will step in when there is conflict. And I say this with pure speculation cause I don't know for certain. It amazes me that you claim you do. What is said is not always literally it can be structually.
I agreed with your speculation comment and you get your undies all twisted up.
BTW, I never insisted that I knew exactly who was doing what and that...what I did say is..I repeated exactly what Jimmy Haslam said in his video. Here, you can listen to it yourself...
Haslam Presser
..if you don't like what Haslam said, take it up with him.
Last edited by mac; 01/12/16 02:03 PM.
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