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I know QBs can sky rocket up the draft boards...but what round is he projected at now?
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I'm not wishing, bro. I know it won't happen.
I just think that there is NOT one qb in this draft worthy of a top 5 pick.
Heck, I would NOT draft any of them in the top half of round one. This draft class reminds me of the EJ Manuel, Gino Smith draft class. I'm getting a slight Bortles/Bridgewater feeling.. Goff is the "sure thing" that could fall (ala Teddy) if a project with good measurables shoots up the draft (Lynch/Bortles) I think that one or more of these guys will be drafted high. I am not disputing that. What I am saying is that I think there are no qbs worthy of being drafted that high in my opinion. I don't see a Bortles. I don't see a Teddy. I don't see a Johnny. I don't see a Carr. Heck, I don't even see a Jimmy G. That was the year to get our qb.
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tab, Wentz has already moved up the boards and is now considered a first rounder. Some are even saying the first qb off the board.
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I think it is an extremely rare thing for a college quarterback to be NFL ready, and therefor 'worthy' of a high first round pick. As many have said in different threads on this board, drafting QB's takes a different measure than other positions. If you have a QB prospect who has good skills but needs development, that QB is going to be in demand, which means you have to draft him higher than his immediate impact would suggest.
There is a belief expressed by some on the board that any QB taken with a high 1st round pick HAS to be NFL ready and HAS to start from day 1. I see the logic, but disagree. If you think a guy like Goff, Lynch, or Wentz will develop into a franchise QB, and you need a franchise QB, then you have to get them when you can, and develop them. It is better to use a high 1st round pick to get a guy who will be your 10 year starter in 2 years, than to wait a round and miss the opportunity. Otherwise you are left with taking a lower tier talent and hoping lighting strikes. The next step then, is patience.
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Initially I had heard 2nd round but then most people had him moving into the first round.
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Draft Wentz #2 overall, get Johnny's head screwed on, and now you got a 4 man QB competition with McCown and Davis.
I would agree "moneyball" would say you should take the best player available, but I also think "moneyball" will also determine that no team wins without a QB.
You know Tennessee isn't going to draft a QB, and you know there isn't one worth trading up for, so in essence, the Browns can pick whatever QB they wish. And there will be a successful QB in this draft. We just need to find him and draft him at #2.
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"Not worthy of a top five pick".
Loaded phrase.
We can attach draft grades and speculate on where a prospect could or should be taken.
The first round is the top 32 players taken in the country. When you look at positions most of the players taken in the first round are guys "rated" in the top three of their position.
Think about that. 32 teams rate players at their position. Hell you could have many different position rankings.
Look at the 2011 draft. Cam #1, Von Miller 2, AJ Green 4, Patrick Peterson 5, Julio Jones 6, Aldon Smith 7, JJ Watt 11th. Andy Dalton was taken 35th.
Impact players are going to be in the first round. Some in the second. The odds go down in each round.
The point is most likely there will be an impact quarterback in this draft. A capable quarterback to start and lead a team.
Out of Goff, Lynch, Cook, Wentz and who knows maybe someone not even mentioned right now. Somebody will most likely turn out good.
If Wentz was taken at say 20 and he ends up like Big Ben would anyone care if nobody ranked him in the top half of round one?
What are you wishing for? That the Browns go into next season with their current quarterback roster?
We need to find a quarterback.
Even with all the baggage that is surrounding Manziel I am still in step with letting his story play out. See what happens and adjust.
In the meantime identify a quarterback you believe in and get him. Just be right.
I don't care if they take Goff at two if he proves out.
I don't care if they take Lynch at two and he proves out.
Wentz in my opinion is as good as either of them. But because of where he is coming from most likely he could be taken in the second half of round one or lower.
That to me represents an opportunity. A way to get more from what you have.
I spent last night going over Wentz's last game. He has the potential to be really good. I wish I had the chance to see the coaches film, interview the guy extensively, work him out and go through the entire process to evaluate him totally.
From the little that I do get to see; I like.
At the end of the day all I have wanted since Bernie is a quarterback to believe in. A guy who at crunch time in the forth quarter I can look too and say " I will take my chances with him at the helm."
Hopefully the Browns will find that guy in this draft.
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Got a feeling we will get our guy at 33
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Tab I think we draft at 32. NE lost their pick because of deflate gate.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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If there is a guy we want in the first, trading down is easier than trading up.
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The Browns need a pass rusher in addition to a quarterback.
At this point I have only looked at quarterbacks.
As the process moves forward I will see others that stand out at different positions.
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The Browns need a pass rusher in addition to a quarterback.
At this point I have only looked at quarterbacks.
As the process moves forward I will see others that stand out at different positions. I say we draft Josh Rosen and Myles Garrett and stash them in Europe (I stole that line from candyman).
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I know we need a qb but Bosa is the kind of player you can build a D around. Impact player. It's too bad we can't depend on JM then we could take Bosa.
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I know QBs can sky rocket up the draft boards...but what round is he projected at now?
...mid 1st round as he was last month to most scouts not leaking info to CBS sports.
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May I ask why you get upset when I say I don't want any of this year's qbs in the first round?
Jesus, you act like the Browns are listening to me.
You like those qbs......more power to you. I think they stink. What do you care?
And at this point...........I almost hope the idiots do take Goff at number 2. I'm at the point where I can't stand the Browns. I'm hoping that it fades away and/or they prove me wrong, but almost every move they make sickens me. I've had enough. Let them take Goff so I can laugh my ass off when he is yet another bust in a long line of them.
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Spirit hasn't gotten me anywhere. I'm hoping that they will succeed if I trash the Browns and give up on them. I just can't tell anyone that or it will mess w/the spirits who control such matters.
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Spirit hasn't gotten me anywhere. I'm hoping that they will succeed if I trash the Browns and give up on them. I just can't tell anyone that or it will mess w/the spirits who control such matters. The ole reverse jinx.
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Yeah, just don't tell anyone or it won't work.
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I'm at the point where I can't stand the Browns. I'm hoping that it fades away and/or they prove me wrong, but almost every move they make sickens me. I've had enough. Let them take Goff so I can laugh my ass off when he is yet another bust in a long line of them. Literally exactly how I felt except substitute the name Manziel for Goff.
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Who knows, maybe the Browns will have both. LOL.......wouldn't that be something?
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bone...I took the time to watch some video on Wentz earlier and again this morning.
He does remind me a bit of Rothlisberger when he was at Miami. Wentz looks like a better runner but his processing and release appear to be a bit slower than Ben's.
I like Wentz's size...I believe size is a quality that should be a consideration when drafting a QB.
I like the fact that Wentz played his ball in a similar enviroment/climate (to Cleveland).
I would expect him to move up draft boards.
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Yeah, just don't tell anyone or it won't work.  Not insulting you, just thought it was funny. I hope you do to. 
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Spirit hasn't gotten me anywhere. I'm hoping that they will succeed if I trash the Browns and give up on them. I just can't tell anyone that or it will mess w/the spirits who control such matters. So if I'm understanding this correctly.....you are going to be the Browns version of Randy Quaid from Major League 2 now?  
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Boy, you got a bad case of brown flu.
I have had many bouts of the same stuff.
My son always says to me "why are you so negative"? He is 30. I said you wouldn't understand you have not suffered enough.
Here is what I told him that I hoped would happen knowing that it never goes the way I want.
Hire Hue Jackson as HC and keep DeFilippo. Find a really good talent evaluator. A guy that can draft players and work well with Jackson.
Get a defensive coordinator that believes in pressure on the quarterback. Someone that will build an attacking style of defense.
Use free agency wisely.
Draft a quarterback. The way I see it is: There is not a lot of separation between Lynch and Wentz. Goff is a little different. But at the same time Goff may not have the upside that I see in Wentz.
Therefore, I would like the Browns to trade back. Get a pick in the top ten and select the best receiver or pass rusher. Come back later into the first round and take Wentz.
After that just get the BPA.
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Brandon Doughty
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Height 6-3
Weight 220 lbs. This is a guy I've had my eye on for the like the 5th, preferably 6th . . . But I guess this is for the other thread. This one is strictly Wentz.
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There is nothing that you stated that I disagree with.
It used to be an accepted practice in the NFL that drafted quarterbacks in any round sat for a year or more.
It has only been recent history with guys starting in their first year.
The position at the NFL level is extremely complicated. Most teams "accept" that a new quarterback is not going to win many games. They figure they will swallow the loses to gain experience.
The more I look into Carson Wentz the more I like what I see. At the same time I know the first year is going to be a challenge.
Wentz is every bit as good as Blake Bortles was coming out. He has the size, arm, and is a better runner. He moves better in the pocket and can throw better on the run.
Actually I am excited about getting a quarterback.
I just pray that they select the right guy.
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This was just published by Daniel Jeremiah:
He has Carson Wentz as the best quarterback in the draft. Which is what I have been saying since looking at the tape of the top four quarterbacks.
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"Wentz was a two-year starter at quarterback for the Bison. He lines up both under center and in the shotgun in this offense. He has quick feet in his setup and he throws from a wide, firm base. He is very quick to work through progressions and he throws with excellent touch and anticipation. He is very accurate underneath and intermediate but he has been inconsistent with his deep-ball accuracy. He has a quick release and he can throw from a variety of arm angles. The ball doesn't jump out of his hand but he has enough velocity to make all of the throws. He is very athletic to create plays with his legs and he's effective on designed QB runs. He is extremely tough to hang in the pocket vs. pressure and he's played really well in big games. Overall, Wentz has an enticing blend of size, ability and toughness. Don't be fooled by his level of competition. He's a big-time talent."
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Wentz problem is that he's very raw himself. A little less raw than Lynch, but needs a LOT of tune ups.
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Nobody coming from college into the NFL tears it up.
The only quarterback that came into the NFL and really played at high level in his first year was Marino.
Manning, Luck etc. all had to get time in and NFL reps.
When you look at coming from spread offenses they even need more time.
It used to be until recently that all quarterbacks drafted sat for a year or more. I mean guys taken first like Carson Palmer.
You look at the prospect and determine does he have what you want to work with and develop?
I find it crazy when people look at a 20 year old college quarterback; find his flaws and say well that's it for him. Like he is finished project.
These young guys get bigger. They fill out. They mature. They come into the league gain top instruction and hopefully get better. When you come to work and work hard every day to get better as time goes by you usually do get better.
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That's why I get so sick of hearing the terms, "His ceiling" or "His floor".
Those are simply made up to bolster or lesson a very raw QB's future.
They generally hold no merit.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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That's why I get so sick of hearing the terms, "His ceiling" or "His floor".
Those are simply made up to bolster or lesson a very raw QB's future.
They generally hold no merit. I agree with you.,
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I find a lot of these quarterbacks interesting, but for playing in Cleveland, I want a guy with a powerful arm, I don't want a heady game manager, which is what I think Goff might be. I would be happy with Bosa and then Wentz or Lynch, and I do think QBs often fall.
No thanks to Cook, no thanks to Hackenberg. I love Cardale Jones and his rifle arm, but man, if he can't start in Columbus, he can't in Cleveland.
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We just had a QB with no brains and all arm. It didn't work.
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We just had a QB with no brains and all arm. It didn't work. Not sure if it's fair to categorize any of them that way. The issue is/was heart. The desire to play. the love of the game and being a good teammate and leader. Unless you are talking about Weeden.
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We just had a QB with no brains and all arm. It didn't work. Not sure if it's fair to categorize any of them that way. The issue is/was heart. The desire to play. the love of the game and being a good teammate and leader. Unless you are talking about Weeden. pretty sure he did mean weeden
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It's easier for a game manager to become better than it is for a guy with a big arm to become smarter..
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That's a good point. I just keep seeing the knock on Goff being his arm. I don't know how average or weak it is, but that is also hard to fix. Dink and dunk is fine, but it works better when you at least have the ability to unleas it. I do like that Goff is totally dedicated.
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Talking about arm strength is tough because different people use different definitions for what is good arm strength. Some use that term to describe an adequate or better arm while others reserve it for the truly elite arms. Might I suggest this definition/scale?
Elite - Favre/Jeff George
Good - Rothlisberger
Adequate - Dalton/Brees
NFL minimum - Alex Smith
Poor/inadequate - Connor Shaw/Ken Dorsey
Why don't you guys think about this. Offer suggestions for modification. Do we need to add another category to separate it out more? Are their better player examples for a certain category?
Once we come to a relative consensus, we can refer to this scale when discussing prospects not only this year but when duscussing drafts in future years.
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