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What does trust have to do with anything. I gave my opinion on a player. Here is a Bleacher Report assessment of Goff which is considerably different than your boy Ben's. I bet Ben gave a glowing assessment of Brandon Weeden because he had a very good arm. The problem was he had nothing between his ears.

I didn't notice this article/analysis of Jared Goff anywhere that includes game tape.

Good read for anyone wanting to learn more about Goff.

Why Jared Goff Is the Next Franchise Quarterback

Article

Here's a quick note from the article....

Goff is a smart, analytical film nerd and it shows on the field. A three-year starter, he's developed well in the Bear Raid offense (a progression-based offense featuring plenty of run/pass options and largely based on downfield throws). Goff loves the game and spends his time off the field immersed in football.

I don't know what it is, but I always like the guys whose parents were professional athletes.

Especially those that donned a 'Spos jersey.

I say take a couple, one in the 3rd and one later. Park them on the bench and develop them. McCown is serviceable next season and should be healthier now that we have a Coach that will RUN the ball sometimes.

Jones in the 3rd would be fine. I wouldn't take him higher, but 3rd round or later he has enough upside to take the chance IMO. He's definitely a project. Better than spending the 2nd pick on a project. Now, If Coach is SURE he can coach up one of the top picks, and he wants to bet this JOB on it, then by all means take a QB at 2. But he better be SURE.

TIL people think Goff is a worse prospect than Manziel lol

2 lower round prospects might be they way to go for us this year. There are a lot of high risk/reward guys. Why not try to double our odds.

I know that, Pit. The guy got on my nerves because he said: "I laugh at people...."

There are a lot of "experts" on here, that is for sure.

I think everyone tries to do their best to predict how players will do and evaluate talent. Some do act as if they know more than they really do. But it's just the nature of the beast. After all, the draft is our Super bowl. lol

I get everything you're saying, and do not take this as me thinking he will be a legitimate NFL QB. But I think there is no way he goes undrafted. He is big and has a cannon. Someone will fall in love with that and pick him. The NFL is full of coaches with egos that think they can turn him into a stud pro QB. If he makes it to the 5th round I will be surprised.

Cardale will get drafted. He is just very raw. I still think he was the better OSU QB. I do not think Ohio State would have won the NC in 2015 without him. The combo between his arm and Devin Smith opened everything up for Elliot to go onm his unbelievable stretch in those 3 games.

Devin Smith was the missing piece for OSU this year. If they could have found a deep threat they would have probably stayed with Jones and won it all again this year.

I disagree. Goff throws behind his receivers too much. I actually think Lynch is better in regard to leading the receiver with ball placement. I've only watched a few games of each atm though.

I woudl not mind taking wentz at 32 if he was still there.

1)Lynch
2)Goff
3)Wentz

Those three are the only one I feel are worth talking about in the first 2 rounds.

If we took Lynch at #2 I would be happy to also take Cardale in round 4 and roll the dice. Let them both sit a year behind Mccown and let the cream rise to the top so to speak. I think Cardale would make the perfect backup/rival for Lynch because they have a similar build and style. I could also see putting in cardale for a QB sneak on short yards.

The QB I saw throw with the best anticipation this year was Deshaun Watson from Clemson... but we'd have to wait a year and potentially really suck again to have a chance at him.

Josh Rosen.

I'll have to take your word for it.. I don't think I saw any of his games this year.

I forgot about him. He is going to be really good. Wasn't he a true freshman this year? That would mean he wouldn't be draft eligible until the 2018 draft.

If we are drafting high enough in the 2018 draft to get Rosen then I don't think Hue is still going to be our HC.

Not if he elects to enter the draft, which could be as early as next year.

Are you sure? I thought you had to complete your junior year or red shirt sophomore year before you can come out. If he was a true freshman this year then he would not be eligible to declare until the 2018 draft.

Rosen was a true freshman in 2015. That means 2016 is his sophomore year (can't leave) and 2017 is his junior year (can leave).

Thanks for the clarification.

Goff reminds me of Matt Ryan as the best comparison.

Me too.

I don't see Ryan as a game manager so the comparison is off.

Are we talking Matt Ryan pre or post 2014?

Not really. Big difference between "may" and "will".

He does look like Matt Ryan to me.



cfrs15 the answer is both.

I've been semi-studying the quarterbacks in this draft.

Unfortunately, my consensus is that Johnny is still the best talent and our best hope for winning in 2016 than any quarterback in this draft. Johnny needs to work on his footwork, but his pocket presence, field vision, and quick release seem to trump most in this draft.


I would pick Wentz over Goff. I feel Goff would be an Alex Smith type. Struggle for a while in the NFL and perhaps finally find his niche.

Goff has decent pocket presence and seems to have a good but not great arm. His passes almost always look to be on the money so he's fairly accurate. He seems to be a weaker armed Brett Favre gunslinger type.

Wentz is a winner. But the knock on him is the level of competition at NDST. But you should judge the player not the level of competition. Both he and Goff seem to eat sleep and drink football which is what we want. Wentz is bigger and faster than Goff.

Lynch is big...athletic... but he seems very very raw. Actually seems like a large version of what people think Johnny is, but Johnny is more patient with better field vision. Also, he has a funky delivery, almost tebowesque, and that's one main reason why Tebow never made it in the NFL, his release is SO SLOW and couldn't ever get it corrected. I read Lynch is accurate, but his long passes seem off the mark, but he does have the arm strength. He'll need work.

My sleeper is Jacoby Brissett. He will probably need to sit a year or two, but you can probably scoop him up in the later rounds. Very good arm, mobile, throws well from the pocket as well as on the run. Seems to have that gunslinger mentality, not just a game manager. It would appear he needs more work on his field vision, but he's a guy we can get late if we have someone to already lead us for 2016.... Johnny?

See, the missing the concussion session at the end of the season did it for me with Johnny.

He's being paid. This is his job. If you don't show up to your job, you get fired. That's how it works. He seems to have a lot of trouble with this one.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and chances until he crosses the line. He reached the line and crossed it. See ya Johnny.


And from what I've seen of Goff, he's got the NFL size, he's fairly athletic, decent arm, and a passion for the game. I've liked his throws, and while he's lit up weaker defenses, so have Lynch and Wentz.

Cook has the NFL body and from the NFL system, but he lacks consistency, and I keep hearing reports about how he is not a team leader. I just see a lot of bad bad passes to go with his good throws.

Lynch has the same inconsistency issues. Wentz, I haven't seen enough of to be honest. Just seen him play against Montana, and get beat this year (opening week of college football).

So Goff is my guy right now.


EDIT: And also, if Gilbert missed all those meetings too, I'd like to see him fired as well. Where these folks get off with this kind of nonsense is beyond me. I hope HueHorton won't put up with it.

Start by suspending. Work your way up to firing. That's how it works in the real world, why these pampered premadonna's can't figure that out is beyond me. Don't like showing up to practice and meetings? Fine. Don't sign an NFL Contract.

Wentz might be the only QB, in the top 5 or so prospects, who isn't better than Johnny tbh

I'd give that honor to Cook myself.

What's a Gerald Golf?

JC

Just throwing this out there, not comparing the two.


Tom Brady at the draft:
6'4 211lbs
From San Mateo, CA

Jared Goff listed:
6'4 210lbs
From Navato, CA

Doesn't look like Ryan to me either. Ryan is a stiff.

JC

If we draft a QB do we have to start him immediately?

If we do we are screwed. All these guys are projects.

Which QB hasn't been labeled a "project" coming out of college? Do they start or sit right away? Does it lead to better success for them?

Personally, I think we need to start whoever we draft right away. I know this makes people cringe, but honestly it's for the best of the player. The best way for a QB to grow in the NFL is by game experience. We have an offensive line that gives our QB somewhere between 3 and 4 seconds to throw the ball. Reading defenses is all about being able to pick out tendencies and pattern. The best way to learn it is by playing against it. No Chess grandmaster ever got there by watching on the sideline.