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Every year a QB gets hot during the time leading up to the draft, and this season I believe it'll be Wentz. I think a team will fall in love with his size, ability, and intangibles, and I think Wentz doesn't sniff the second round. Watch the Rams take him at 15.
In a perfect world for ME, I'd love to see the Browns take Bosa, Tunsil, or even Ramsey with first pick, and then take Wenzt in the second. But I don't think Wentz gets past #15.
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Every year a QB gets hot during the time leading up to the draft, and this season I believe it'll be Wentz. I think a team will fall in love with his size, ability, and intangibles, and I think Wentz doesn't sniff the second round. Watch the Rams take him at 15. Not sure who you are referring to, but the past few years these QBs have allegedly gotten "hot" tend to not get drafted until 75+. Ryan Nassib, Tom Savage, Garrett Grayson were all talked up as potential first rounders leading up to the draft and they usually end up third day guys.
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Kind of a kool-aid chugging contest with QB's and the draft. The group speak chatting up the hype, where a number of folks share the hype and their take on players, QB especially, didn't do us a lot of good. Hue can help himself if he limits some of that and just remaining focused on where we are and what we need. I think we complicated things too much. I also think we drank our weight in koolaid because the vetting proved to be ineffective in a number of picks that didn't deliver. Like it or not, for better or worse, one main football guy in the form of our new HC will need to draft differently and better. We need him to ignore and replace some of the nonsense we have bought into in the past.
I hope he is equal to the task.
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That's a good point. I just keep seeing the knock on Goff being his arm. I don't know how average or weak it is, but that is also hard to fix. Dink and dunk is fine, but it works better when you at least have the ability to unleas it. I do like that Goff is totally dedicated. I think having a big arm is great. I do not think that a qb has to have a great arm. I do think that throwing into coverages w/out a big arm is a no-no in the NFL and that is why I am so skeptical of Goff.
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I am sure you know more about Goff than I, but I keep reading that he is super accurate and a real film room rat. So he might get over the throwing into coverage thing. But if his arm is truly below average, I worry about the winter wind.
I know people say none of these QBs are worth No. 2. It is strange how one draft can produce 4-5 decent NFL starters and another none. Such a crapshoot.
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Goff is 21, far removed from the grown man strength that happens later in life, and especially in NFL weight rooms. And he has a tendency to throw the ball into coverage, but he played on a bad team and tried to play Hero ball. He looks a lot more crisp, accurate and sound than Lynch or Wentz.
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Recent mocks have Wentz going fourth to the Cowboys and 15th to the Rams.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts
I have watched plenty of film of all the quarterback prospects. Kind of a hobby of mine.
This is just my take on how I see things:
Hue Jackson and hopefully Al Saunders are the right guys to make this decision. So thankful that is not in the hands of Ray Farmer.
Given the backgrounds of Hue and Saunders and their knowledge of the AFC North Wentz appears to be the guy that fits. Jackson had Palmer, Flacco, Dalton, McCarron Saunders goes back to Don Coryell. He has worked with a lot of great quarterbacks including Kurt Warner, and many others he has a long and distinguished career.
Wentz fits the mold. Big strong athletic guy who can throw it and run it. For what they are looking for my guess is Wentz is their guy.
I am not going to breakdown all the game film I have watched. It is there for those who wish to look. It seems most give opinions without looking at more than a highlight reel.
Wentz has the material to work with. I can not conduct interviews and get into the prospects head. We have to rely on them to do that. In the end I will initially accept what Jackson and company will do. Wentz just seems to fit the AFC North and Hue Jackson.
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There is no way that the Cowboys are about to take a freaking top 5 QB when their team was projected to go to the SB last year. They are a high end team with Romo and their window is closing, no chance the Cowboys are taking a project QB to be a backup for the next 3 years or so top 5.
My mind would be absolutely shattered.
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How many seasons has Romo finished?
How old is he?
What has happened every time he has gone down?
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How many seasons has Romo finished?
How old is he?
What has happened every time he has gone down?
I get he's old, but he isn't done yet. Taking a top 5 QB with an All Pro QB on the roster. When has that ever happened?
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San Diego.
It is not just age. It is the question of a chronic condition with his back as well as his age and his inability to remain on the field.
Factor that with a high pick and they may very well go that route. Grooming the replacement for Romo.
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Brees wasn't a top 5 talent then.
Also, why would the Cowboys take a QB? They're an aging team that has other, more pressing needs. If you already know you're a bottom 10 team without Romo, than you can wait till he retires, and then draft a QB (Who is probably a better prospect than Lynch or Wentz). Or you can split both philosophies and take a QB in the later rounds. You're still in a position to draft a quality QB with a plan to draft a top 10 talent as well.
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Anyone notice how so many of these "top QBs" are rated by different publications and/or mocks?
What's that tell you?
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Manning was cut in March. Luck was drafted in April.
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Anyone notice how so many of these "top QBs" are rated by different publications and/or mocks?
What's that tell you? 1. Which publications and mocks (most of the ones I've seen have Goff ranked highest)? 2. It's still early.
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They drafted Phillip Rivers when they had Brees.
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They drafted Phillip Rivers when they had Brees.
Who had been benched, earlier that year, for Doug Flutie because he(Brees) was not good.
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There is no way that the Cowboys are about to take a freaking top 5 QB when their team was projected to go to the SB last year. They are a high end team with Romo and their window is closing, no chance the Cowboys are taking a project QB to be a backup for the next 3 years or so top 5.
My mind would be absolutely shattered. Cowboys should follow the Patriots model and target a QB in the 2nd or 3rd if the intent is to sit him for a few years.. evaluate him, get him some time if Romo goes down..
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There is no way that the Cowboys are about to take a freaking top 5 QB when their team was projected to go to the SB last year. They are a high end team with Romo and their window is closing, no chance the Cowboys are taking a project QB to be a backup for the next 3 years or so top 5.
My mind would be absolutely shattered. This might just be the time for the Cowboys to grab a QB if there is one they believe in. Them picking in the top 5 is an anomaly and they probably will not be in this position again for a while. They need to figure out what is next after Romo sometime soon. This might be the year.
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Yeah agree nobody likes the blowups. But once its done there is nothing we can do about it except observe the new build up.
This is slightly different then past ones it seems its the first complete build up since Policy and Clark.
Nothing is Knee jerk about it. Well thought out with 2 brilliant young minds at the top. One of the first time well since Davis that we are getting our First Choice candidate for HC. He has experience at HC with a bad franchise and took them to 8-8 and got fired which makes me believe it had nothing to do with his Coaching. Still regardless he has learned from that experience.
Not going to go and try to sell you on this, over the years I know you n vice versa I'm sure. You ain't buying until you see much more positives, I get it.
Back to the thread on drafting a QB.
Very very few QBs are worthy of their slot. I would have to say the vast majority of those were from the #1 slot.
So its hard to abide by the advice - NO QBs are worthing of a top 5 pick. Cause its true but it doesn't change much for those teams looking for a franchise QB.
If there is a guy we "KNOW" is our guy but he's slotted for Mid to late first round and Vers we know where they are slotted now is not how they end up closing in on draft day. But if we determine he is OUR GUY...I would gladly accept taking him at #2 If and only if we are CERTAIN that he will not be there when we pick at 32 or even be in the area of a move up from 32. With QB it defies the BPA concept because hardly ever are they statistically the BPA.
At this time in 2012 I think RG3 was noted as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Pointing and saying and look at him now...but that is via individual by individual. I'm just pointing out how a QB climbs up the slotting charts like no other position in the NFL.
So your statement of no QB is worthy of a top pick is probably 99% accurate. The reality is you don't mess around with QB if you know just KNOW he is THE GUY...you don't take the chance of losing it. You go and get him!
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More likely to play 16 games this year: Gordon or Romo? Do you feel confident relying on Gordon as our top receiver?
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More likely to play 16 games this year: Gordon or Romo? Do you feel confident relying on Gordon as our top receiver? Ugh, it's a coin flip, from a physical standpoint it would be Gordon. From a not doing something stupid standpoint, obviously it's Romo.
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This is a huge week for Carson Wentz. This will really be the first time that the media will be all over everything he does. He will get wall to wall coverage.
If he performs well and creates positive buzz regarding work habits, leadership, and ability to take to NFL coaching techniques. He may well be the first quarterback taken.
Here is a recent take by Bucky Brooks:
North Dakota State, QB: The buzz is building around Wentz's potential to emerge as the draft's top prospect at quarterback. The 6-foot-6, 230-pounder displays all of the tools scouts covet in a franchise quarterback (size, athleticism, A-plus arm talent, leadership skills and winning pedigree), but the small-school standout must convince evaluators that he can step up his game against elite competition. Moreover, Wentz needs to show coaches that he can quickly learn a pro-style offense and thrive in a scheme that requires him to make full-field reads and progressions from the pocket. Although he played in a system that featured some advanced passing-game concepts, Wentz's performance as the director of the North team's offense this week could determine the pecking order of the quarterbacks on draft day.
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Question for all the experts as I watch/follow very little college ball. How would Wenz's competition/opposing Ds compare to what Big Ben went up against in the MAC?
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Like Big Ben and Flacco, Wentz did not face the highest level of college competition.
Even though that is the case it is hard to quantify. There are many reasons because each school faces a different schedule and until some time has passed you don't know what players go on to have pro careers.
I think at this stage you just study the player and try to determine if he has the skills that translate into the NFL.
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I am seeing more and more of Wentz being the 2nd QB off the board. Lots of #4 to Dallas too.
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I am seeing more and more of Wentz being the 2nd QB off the board. Lots of #4 to Dallas too.
If they believe he is the guy...they will pull the trigger. No need to play him right away with McCown and/or Manziel.
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I agree Eo. If both Wentz and Goff rate out as solid players, I hope we don't trade up if someone wants to move to #1. Just take whos left.
People throw arounf the term franchise QB every day. The fact is there aren't that many of those guys. I don't consider Dalton or Flacco franchise QBs. Neither is a sure fire hall of famer. Both are good QBs. I wouldn't mind having a good solid QB.
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FWIW, Walter Football is now listing Wentz as their top QB in the draft.
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FWIW, Walter Football is now listing Wentz as their top QB in the draft. Who is Walter and why should we trust him?
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FWIW, Walter Football is now listing Wentz as their top QB in the draft. Who is Walter and why should we trust him? Ugh because he has a website with his name on it.. ..duhhh.
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Who is Walter and why should we trust him? Just another site. Pretty decent, but nobody asked you to trust. The fact remains the kid is near the top on all of them. No need to diminish that.
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FWIW, Walter Football is now listing Wentz as their top QB in the draft. Who is Walter and why should we trust him? I believe I prefaced my comment with FWIW.
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FWIW, Walter Football is now listing Wentz as their top QB in the draft. Who is Walter and why should we trust him? I believe I prefaced my comment with FWIW. I know. Just putting it out there. Not criticizing you.
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Who is Walter and why should we trust him? Just another site. Pretty decent, but nobody asked you to trust. The fact remains the kid is near the top on all of them. No need to diminish that. I know Wentz is good and I am not trying to diminish that. I just wanted to point out that this Walter is not all that credible.
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Who is Walter and why should we trust him? Just another site. Pretty decent, but nobody asked you to trust. The fact remains the kid is near the top on all of them. No need to diminish that. I know Wentz is good and I am not trying to diminish that. I just wanted to point out that this Walter is not all that credible. Walter is a guy that figured out a fun way to make money. Walter
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walterfootball is a pretty respectable website. I been usin it a long time now for predraft info to gauge who I want to get started researching.
That being said I don't think wentz is all that great. His throws sometimes have VERy slow velocity and kind of loft to where he is throwing. He got away with it because of the poor teams he was playing. I have watched several of his games now and I have become more and more worried about his ball velocity.
The video I watch the more it confirms that Paxton is by far the best QB in this draft. I mean this kid throws balls with great anticipation where only the WR can catch it whether its 10 yards or 80 yards. I mean its just unreal to me how much great ability he has to put the ball in a great spot for the WR to catch it. I think he will end up being a top 15 QB at least in the NFL. I just love a QB that is crazy accurate and has great ball placement but throw in that crazy ball velocity and he would just thrive in the offense we will be running.
Goff is OK but he is more the Alex type of QB and I don't think that is all that exciting.
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