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Andy Dalton does not have a big arm. Dalton is mobile but on the small side so they don't want him taking a lot of hits. He isn't the best fit so Hue adapted. If he gets that big armed mobile QB, then he'll open it up even more.

If 5 years down the road, it turns out that there was a hall of fame quarterback in this draft and we passed on him in the #2 spot, would anyone say in 5 years it was the right move to pass on him?

or that Jimmy Clausen group.

or that Ryan Mallett group.

So then, definitely not in the Weeden grouping?

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You keep saying don't draft any of these quarterbacks. You want to address higher needs.

So what is your plan at quarterback?[/quote]

I am not sure they are "higher needs." I just don't believe in overdrafting guys because you have a need.

I had a plan at qb. Remember Teddy? LOL

Look, I think we probably do need a qb. The odds of Manziel being the guy are minuscule right now. I am NOT saying that we are set at qb. I am not saying we aren't going to need one. I just don't like the guys at the top of the draft. That doesn't mean I am right. It's simply how I feel.

That's not a very good argument. If 5 years down the road, it turns out the qb we take at #2 is a crap qb and out of the league, would anyone say it was the right move to pass on him?

Or, what if the guy we passed on at #2 becomes the most dominant pass rusher in the entire league, would anyone say it was the right move to pass on him for a journeyman qb?

We can play the "what if" game all day long.

If you deem a QB has franchise QB potential. Should you not take him as soon as possible? Why risk letting the one guy go because of some made up "value" on a draft chart.

QBs have their own value in the draft, they are incomparable to any other position.

So, do you feel like any of these QBs have any potential to be Franchise QBs?

If you wouldn't take a guy at #2, how good do you really think he is if youre "hoping" he's still there at 32?

Any other teams have a young QB we can steal?

Draft aside, is there anyone out there off the top of your head, FA or otherwise, that you might think could at least be solid for us until we do see someone in the Draft?

No one really knows for sure what kind of QB Hue prefers, but it does appear he has a pretty good rack record of getting more out of his QBs. Just to throw a name out there, but do you think there might be a guy like Mike Glennon who he could turn in to Andy Dalton 2.0?

I am not sure why so many people are misunderstanding what I am saying????

I do NOT deem any of this year's QBs as a franchise QB. If I did, I would be all for drafting that guy.

Maybe Glennon? Maybe Oseiler? Maybe roll Josh, Johnny, and Austin one more year? Or, maybe Josh, Austin, and lower round pick this year?

Not trying to be evasive. I just don't really know.

And again...........I could be dead wrong about guys like Goff. Who knows. It's just my opinion that I don't think any of this year's top-rated QBs are worth a first round pick. Of course, teams will take a chance on them. I just wouldn't do it.

I think each one has a hole or holes in their game that are most-likely going to be hard to overcome.

I wasn't necessarily asking you specifically.

General thoughts.

J/C, Etc.

I have no idea about any of these QBs, and am not really interested in spending the time to research them yet..

If that guy was drafted in the 4th round, I may be upset that we didn't get him, but I would have wanted us to have picked him with our 4th rounder and used that #2 on another player.

Okay.....

Ok, just curious

I know picking Cardale sounds kind of crazy, since he wasn't starting for his college team, but I think if Devin Smith was still there or Noah Brown hadn't gotten hurt right before the season started, Cardale would have been the QB all season. The threat of his deep balls opened up all sorts of space for Zeke during the championship run. He seems to fit Hue's stated philosophy of pounding the rock and vertical passing game. I think Cardale is better suited for the pro game than he was for Urban's offense. He obviously has some developing to do, but he'd cost a lot less than the top rated QBs now who also would have their own share of developing to do. From everything I've seen and read, Cardale has come a long way since his infamous tweet, and I think he gets a bad rap for a teenage lapse in judgement which involved less than 140 characters.

If we re-sign Benjamin and Gordon returns to form, I think Cardale is the guy to get it to them deep.

I want to wait till after pro days to get a better feel for all the prospects, but this is where I stand now.

Boy,, Cardale Jones. This time last year, he was all the rage wasn't he.

Not sure if there is a problem between his ears or is he just not all that and a bag of chips.

Another guy with Physical tools for sure. What's missing?

Did you watch the Alabama game at all?

As opposed to those coaches that like weak QBs that are slow?

The guy has been inconsistent his entire career. Did he suddenly re-injure his shoulder between the Iowa Game and Alabama because it was fine when he played Penn St and Iowa? He also said that he could have played the OSU game.

The secret to Cook is easy. He caves under pressure. If you want more examples go back to the Michigan game or when he faced Central Michigan. The guy hasn't had one season where his completion percentage has been above 60 percent. It's not like this guy plays on a bad team, he is surrounded by talent.

Hackenberg is getting the same stats surrounded by nobody's.

No and that is the big thing with him. He is Lower risk but lower reward. Goff's got great accuracy and is smart but he can't make all the throws.

I am a huge fan of the Buckeyes, but I don't like Cardale as an NFL qb.

He has the physical tools, but his mental games is lacking.

A few things I noticed:

--Doesn't read defenses pre-snap. Rarely checks out of a play.

--Processes what he is seeing very slowly. Gets confused by coverages.

--Does not throw w/anticipation.

--Footwork is poor which leads to many off balance throws that then leads to loss of accuracy.

--Struggles to play up-tempo ball. The game clock is always close to zero by the time he gets the snap.

I had hopes for him last year, but I think he was exposed this year.

Any of those fixable ?

Cook is one of those guys I was talking about that has holes in his game.

You mentioned Hackenberg. I like him even less. Great physical skills, but man, this guy is frustrating to watch. He does not value possessions. He plays w/very little heart. He makes terrible decisions. I realize the talent around him was poor, but he has his own flaws.

One play kinda sums it up w/this guy: Penn State was trying to come from behind late in the game. He throws the ball way out of bounds. He then puts his head down and walks towards the sideline. They had to tell him it was only 3rd down on that previous play. Incredible on two levels:

1. He was not aware of the down on a potential game-winning drive, and...

2. He would have purposely throw the ball out of bounds if it was 4th down and not even give his team a chance to win.

Footwork can be improved and that should help accuracy.

I doubt they can speed up his processing skills.

You could teach him to make better pre-snap reads. Lot's of film study, recognizing tendencies, looks, etc.

Hard to teach reading coverages post-snap. It's related to the processing skills.

Throwing w/anticipation is also more of a natural gift, although hard work, timing w/WRs, and film study can help here, too.

Yep, and that is why I think he's a 3rd rounder. If he had the mental side to his game, he would have been the 1st pick off the board. His talent level is that high. Right now you don't know if you are getting Big Ben or Jamarcus Russell.

Third rounder? He has no track record of success and is limited in other capacities.

Brett Hundley was twice the prospect Cardale Jones is and he went in the fifth round.

Jones is a sixth round or later guy.

He also lacks that quick, compact release you'd like to see in an NFL QB, and his fundamentals are horrible. In addition to the things you mentioned, he doesn't always step into his throws, or square up to throw. He trusts his arm way too much, like that is the only tool he possesses.

Cardale Jones has all of the physical traits you would look for, but man, he really needs built from the ground up.

Hackenberg is frustrating for me to figure out because he is playing with a bunch of Pop Warner guys and it doesn't look like he is being coached fundamentals. I'm betting that the coaches there are too busy putting out other fires, but bad fundamentals become bad habits quickly and habits become hard to break. (See Johnny Manziel)

Trent Dilfer loves him and sees Troy Aikman, which makes me even more wary.

I like his arm though and decision making can be improved. He's a guy that I could change opinion on up or down easily once I see more.

Chip Kelly wouldn't have even ranked Brett Hundley as twice the prospect of Jones and he likes read option QB's. Everything crumbled when he tried to be more of a Pro Style QB his senior year. He was a lost at that point. Lots of panicked decisions under pressure. He could run fine but didn't throw on the run very well. He held the ball way too long in the pocket if his first read wasn't open. Yes he had a lot of athletic ability, but not the arm or size of Jones. Switching to more of a Pro style exposed his flaws to scouts and he was drafted right about where he should have been.

That was really well written.

I don't know where Jones will be drafted, but I agree w/you on Hundley.

Yeah, he is amazing!