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Studying a playbook on your own is so tough too. It's like trying to memorize a dictionary. It's much easier to learn when on the practice field or in a meeting room with someone drawing it up on a whiteboard. I can't believe how players can digest 100 plays over a weekend enough to be able to practice them on Tuesday.

Not to diminish that accomplishment but we are thinking about 11 guys all having different responsibilities... if you are the TE, then you are only worried about what the TE is supposed to do... and of those 100 plays, how many are identical (or nearly identical) to other plays they have run in the past?

I can see where it would be overwhelming for a young guy who is still working on understanding the base play book... and I can see where it would be difficult for the QB who has to know where the WRs, TEs, RBs, etc are all supposed to be...

But for most of the guys, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do something like that in 2 days... I mean, it's YOUR JOB.... It's the most important thing you have to do for 2 days.

All the skill positions need to know what the others are doing as well. A RB may have to line up at X, Y, Z, F, WR for example and one WR's read might change another's route.

The blockers have to know who everyone else is blocking too because a line shift might change everyone's assignments. It's really amazing.

The thing is, those players are coached to be able to do that. When you have the whole 53 man roster fully bought-in to the coaching a lot is possible.

Anyone interested in Bradford??

If we can sign him for cheap I would be interested. He's an injury waiting to happen but then again so is McCown.

I'd prefer Bradford over using the #2 pick on a QB in this class.

Of course it would probably take a ridiculous contract to get him to come to Cleveland.

When is the deadline for the franchise tag?

JC

Meh. Not worth the resources. Bradford is a mess. I'd rather just start with a new sheet.

Bradford wanted a long term deal worth $25 million/year from the Eagles according to one of the articles posted on the board.

Pass.

Is that a joke?

He's not getting that. Maybe Hue could entice him. As someone else said I'd take Sam over a #2 QB in this draft

..and that right there, is the very definition of a team.

These guys are LITERALLY 'on the same page' from start to finish. When you have that as your team's culture, you can become perennial NFL royalty. Dynasty material.

Man, this team of ours has a long way to go.....

Signing Bradford would just ensure mediocrity (or worse). While mediocrity is better than what we have had, it is still not what we should aiming for.

I don't want rehash the Sam Bradford debate (we did that last off-season), but he has never been good.

No, that is what he sorry, his agent, told the Eagles when they approached him about an extension.

Sam Bradford's agent reportedly wanted $25 million per year from Eagles before 2015 season - Bleeding Green Nation
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/...ason-salary-cap

Oof. And that was after the season?

I know these are negotiating tactics, but come on.

To expound on your point: There is something to be said about creating a positive mind-set w/in your team by being demanding. You tell them that they will be the most prepared team in the league. You tell them that no one will outwork us. The players also look at BB and say, man this guy leaves no stone unturned. They feel they have an edge.

It's great because he is actually ensuring that his team is better prepared while at the same time creating a positive mental outlook w/in the team

I do know this.............guys wanna buy into that type of mindset, but man, you have to have some success. Outworking and preparing harder than what you are used to doesn't sell well if you lose a bunch of games.

This conversation brings to mind one Brandon Weeden. Do any of you remember the game we played and failed to convert on late TD that would have given us the win or tied it up and afterwards Weeden complained that they hadn't even practiced that play during the week?

Winners and losers. Sometimes the difference isn't as great as we think it is...........

No. We have a new HC that most people like, let him get his QB and let them grow together for a few years.

If Hue decides there is nobody in this draft that he wants, I'm fine with that... take Bosa or somebody else who can make an immediate impact and we'll look at QB next year. I don't really want a less than stellar veteran and I don't want to hitch our wagon to a 3rd round QB..

I don't remember that exact instance but that regime was a whole bumbling mess of incompetence. Remember the play where our 3rd string TE or whatever (Alex Smith?) got the call on a FB dive and fumbled? Or Weeden's 'flipper' plays? That one punt when losing, 4th and 1 at midfield late in the game? Oh and who could forget this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mToSXz3JEcM

Lol anyway...

I do respect BB and how the Pats run their organization. This has been brought up a few times around here, I do think BB is a really, really smart coach but a lot of the success their just comes from relatively simple things like what we're talking about here-- just being prepared to deal with different situations, having a high football IQ, actually practicing the plays that will be run, etc.

Years back I remember reading a similar piece that had to do with practicing Hail Mary situations. One team (I think it was Jack Del Rio's Jaguars) did not practice that play, due to fear of injury. Pats of course were on record as saying that they had practiced it many times on both offense and defense. That just seems more logical, doesn't it? I can't recall any Pats game ever being decided on a Hail Mary (although they very nearly won a Super Bowl on one-- it was tipped and just out of reach of Gronk's hands) and we've seen other games decided on them. Just this past weekend we saw Green Bay force OT on a hail mary, and won a regular season game on the same play. I don't understand how a coach could decide not to practice something like that. It's not that rare of a play and can come up at the end of either half.


edit: I kind of/sort of remembered that last bit correctly. http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/...ll-being-hailed


Of course, the irony in this is that this was said after the Jags won a game on a Hail Mary. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good? I don't know. I still like Belichick's approach on things although I certainly wouldn't expect this to be practiced the day before a game. Practice situations even if there is some inherent risk. If it's cold/wet/slippery outside, you better get outside and practice in it while you have the chance. Other teams might not be so prepared. There are a lot of examples.

I want Jared Goff. That's where I'm at right now. Round 1) Jared Goff Round 2) Corey Coleman (Baylor WR)

You are thinking of Nate Sudfeld. He's got very good size and arm strength but his accuracy is erratic/streaky despite his motion being pretty solid. Also has a bit of a drawn out release. JMO.

I haven't watched a lot of Sudfeld, so you can take this w/a grain of salt.

I saw the guy make two throws early in one game that made my jaw drop. I mean perfectly placed, great trajectory, and right on time. I look at the guy and it looks like he is a pretty decent-sized guy. I'm wondering why isn't everyone talking about him. Then, he made a couple of bad throws that equally boggled my mind.

I don't know if he is always so inconsistent, but man, it was pretty amazing how he could look so awesome and so terrible in a very short period of time.

I might take another look at him.

'Report: Sam Bradford's agent asked for $25 million per year'

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philad...&ocid=yahoo

January 20, 2016, 10:30 am

If you're wondering why the Eagles didn't sign Sam Bradford to a long-term deal before last season, here's a reason.

Well, 25 million reasons.

ESPN's Jim Trotter said on NFL Insiders, via theBigLead, that Bradford's agent, Tom Condon, was asking for $25 million per year before the 2015 season. That's a lot of money, especially for a quarterback who hadn't really played in two years. Then-personnel controller Chip Kelly, who traded for Bradford, wouldn't do it.

But this is important to remember: There has to be a starting point in any contract negotiation. Just because Condon was asking for $25 million, it doesn't mean that's necessarily how much the Eagles would have needed to pay to keep him.

This offseason, if Bradford hits the open market, there's a very good chance the Eagles will have some tough competition to keep their starting quarterback around.

Bradford's numbers in 2015 weren't eye-popping, but he did play much better in the second half of the season and seemed to build strong on-field relationships with Jordan Matthews and Zach Ertz.

On the year, Bradford completed 65 percent of his passes for 3,725 yards, 19 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. His 3,725 yards ranks as the fourth-best passing season in Eagles history.

Now, there's also the question about how much new head coach Doug Pederson likes Bradford. Pederson was, of course, asked about Bradford at his introductory press conference on Tuesday and said the QB would fit "perfectly" into his system.

"I think Sam, he's got all the tools, there's no question," Pederson said. "There's no denying that. Got good size, got a great arm, good mind for the game, and it's just a matter of now, just plugging him in and cutting him loose and utilizing those strengths in this system."

I thought Bradford was awful this year. He's so soft.

Yep. This is what I have seen from him as well. That's what I was getting at with the "streaky" comment.

Are you saying I am long-winded?

lol, no I was just typing my reply on my phone before a meeting and was overly vague. I appreciate your painting the picture.

Here's my take in the draft thread.

bradford to gordon has a nice ring to it ...

He is a project but man, he had every major program he played on the ropes. Most were losses, but he definitely raised to the level of competition. At worst he'll be a nice backup in the NFL and I don't see him touted highly in almost any circles.

Yeah, but what would Philly give us for Gordon?

Could this be a technique issue? I always thought a QB who loses accuracy had poor footwork.

Here are some Qb options for next year and the future. Which do you prefer.
Trade values are based on what I think the other teams involved would be willing to accept.

1 - Use our #2 for the top Qb in this draft class. No particular person. Whoever you consider to be the top prospect.

2 - Colin Kaepernick. We give SF our 3rd round pick this year and exchange the #2 overall pick for their #9 overall pick.

3- Jimmy Garappollo. We give NE our 2nd round pick this year (#32) and our 2nd round pick next year.

4 - Bryce Petty - We give NYJ our 4th round pick this year after the Jets acquire Kaepernick.

1. I don't see anyone in this draft class that I would draft in the first half of the first round.

2. KAP has issues. He just isn't followed around like Manziel is.

3. This is the best idea of the bunch, but I don't know......it's very risky.

4. Nope, don't like Petty.

Farmer's incompetence put the Browns in a terrible situation. No one wanted to hear it, but now it is staring everyone straight in the face. Good luck w/that.

The decision to take a QB at 2, or wait until 32 is probably the most important decision this franchise has on its plate right now...

They really need to make the call on whether or not Goff or Lynch or any of those top rated guys are quarterbacks that can be franchise guys. That is a really tough call. Just from a fan's perspective, it doesn't seem all that obvious.

I really don't want to trade down. We need to come away with an A+ player at 2. With all these new people in the mix, it is going to be difficult. Guys don't know each other that well. There isn't a great trust level built up (yet). It scares me a little, although I feel better about this group doing it than a guy who we all know can't draft (Farmer). I do believe these guys will stick to the process that they are currently building. Whether or not that produces great results, who knows, but I really think they will stay the course.

I guess the other question is, what if the scenario where these guys don't feel comfortable with QB at 2, and decide to take Joey Bosa, or one of these other guys (I truly believe it is QB or defense at 2). What do you then do about QB? Do you force yourself to take one at 32?

Selling this fanbase on McCown as your starter in a new era is a bad idea. Todd Boles got away with it in NY, but they had a very good defense, and Fitz is better than McCown. I can't count on McCown.

The perfect scenario for this team is that Jared Goff to them is a true franchise guy. A guy that can quarterback this team for 10+ years. He would start from day 1, so you could easily have McCown as a backup. Hue Jackson gets the absolute best possible chance to succeed in Cleveland.

It almost seems unfair to stick this group with that brutal of a decision right off the bat. They have to be absolutely sure about those quarterbacks, either way. You can't take one of them, or pass on all of them and not be right.

I agree with most of your post, besides this one point:



When there is not a player you want available when you pick, trading down is a great option. "A+" players are selected in places other than the very top of the draft.

I wouldn't want to trade down in this draft because I think Goff is the guy we should take.

I think there are only 2 good options for QB this year.

1) If the Browns think Goff is a potential franchise QB then he must be the pick.

2) If the Browns don't think Goff is a future franchise QB then they should select a pass rusher like Bosa then look for the best QB option at the top of the 2nd round like Cook or Hackenburg.

I just don't see any QB's that will be available in trades or free agencies that will be any better options than McCown.

Denver is in a bit of cap bind thoughts Browns go heavy after Brock Osweiler.

Another, if Hue made Campbell look good, is there a chance Austin Davis can be as good? Put play makers around Davis like Marv did for Dalton. Davis did well playing for Southern Mississippi. How much a difference is there vs. Wentz?

I would rather get a WR or something else that would improve the team.