I'm going to preface this by saying that I assume Josh Gordon is going to be reinstated. I understand he's a dumb kids who's made countless mistakes, and probably should of burned up his 3rd 2nd chance by now..
But the dude can ball. And that gives you infinity get out of trouble cards in sports (Sup Greg Hardy)
Imagine Josh Gordon with a GOOD QB throwing him the ball.. for like, an entire season.. Not the Weeden and Campbell's of the world..
With that out of the way..
I know a lot of people assume either a QB or Bosa at #2.
I'm starting the argument for Laquon Treadwell at #2.
Yeah you could wait and get Doctson or Thomas at #32.. maybe..
I want the biggest and best WR in this draft..
You add Treadwell to Hartline, Benjamin, Hawkins, and Barnidge, you have a solid Receiving core.. and THEN possibly add Gordon to that? Come on now..
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Thoughts about WRs..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
I think the FA route is going to be our #2 wide out this year, Marvin Jones would make sense.He is unrestricted and Hue does know him. With that being said, I like Treadwell but not at 2. I just don't think he is worth that pick. I would like Doctson at 32, think his game is perfect for Afc north. He wins almost every jump ball, and I like the way he snatches the ball not letting it get to his body. I can't say I know enough about the kid from Ohio st. Will Fuller from ND has crazy speed, but he didn't run any serious route trees, and hands are a little suspect. I hope we just spend some more time evaluating Wrs , it seems Pittsburgh and other teams find Antonio Browns and such not spending top 40 picks. I think it will now be a little bit more of a factor when stacking the draft board.
WR at #2 is a what appears to be a NEED stretch pick. I want us to build a winner. Not exciting ways to lose.
jmho no WR at 2
I agree EO. I don't see receiver as a big area of need. Treadwell might be worth the pick. I don't think it would be a big streatch to take him at #2, but there are players equally as good who also fill some pretty big holes on this team.
You know me and know I am not a needs based guy when it comes to the draft, but I am when you have 4-5 players who grade out nearly the same. Then you start filling holes. It makes no sense to me to stack one position and ignore others.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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I had him as bottom of the first talent but adjusted him up to the middle because top WR's are scarce in this draft and someone will reach for need. He may even go top 10 but 2 is too high.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you? Are you saying our WRs are good?
Ok...fair enough. I just don't think they are bad. Add Gordon back in,(which he will) and I don't see the position as one of critical need when compared to other positions, such as QB, LB,CB, and possibly OL depending on what happens to that position somewhere down the road. What happens if we lose Thomas, Mack, and Schwartz? The loss of Thomas would be somewhat mitigated since we would surely get a 1st rounder or more in return.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Re-sign Benji. Draft Doctson or Coleman at 32 and then double down on WR and pick up Braxton in the 4th. Our depth chart will then look something like: Josh, Benji, Doctson/Coleman, Braxton, (Probably a cheap WR or whoever sticks around from last year). This will make one of our weakest groups into a strength of this team. It also allows us a lot of breathing room with Gordon. We're not so dependent on him as the talent at that position.
I would take Goff @ #2 and then take Michael Thomas WR OSU @ #32 he is far away the most pro ready WR in the draft ... JMHO
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I think Braxton is undervalued in this draft because of how little time he has at WR. But he made some very nice catches, and is very athletic. Taking him in the 4th would be a good move. I also think Devin Lucien is undervalued and would be available with one of the 3 compensatory picks we have at the end of the 5th round.
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding you? Are you saying our WRs are good?
Ok...fair enough. I just don't think they are bad. Add Gordon back in,(which he will) and I don't see the position as one of critical need when compared to other positions, such as QB, LB,CB, and possibly OL depending on what happens to that position somewhere down the road. What happens if we lose Thomas, Mack, and Schwartz? The loss of Thomas would be somewhat mitigated since we would surely get a 1st rounder or more in return.
Thomas would get replaced by whatever compensation we got for him. Erving is Macks replacement for better or for worse. Schwartz is the only guy that would need an extra resource to replace.
Thomas would get replaced by whatever compensation we got for him.
Sometimes it's not easy to replace a player. You can put another body at his position, but that doesn't mean you replaced him.
I dont think anyone is talking about replacing Thomas with anything equally as talented. That just doesnt happen.
We have had the best LT in the league for 9 years. Its a wonderful thing.
But that means, for the past 9 years the SB champion has NOT had the best LT in the league.. and.. still won the SB.
I'm not trying to get rid of Joe Thomas, or trying to downplay him at all. But eventually he will be gone, and some people act like if we dont win before that we will never win at all..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
The last WR to be taken at #2 was Calvin Johnson...Is this kid as dynamic?
I do not know the answer to that question, I think the easy answer is to say "No way!"
But coming out of college, no one knew what Calvin was going to be, being at Georgia Tech, in that offense..
It's the easy answer.
No way. Scouts knew enough about Calvin to draft him at #2. His Size speed combo was unbelievable. And he was already a physical WR back then. There was a ton of hype about CJ before the draft and for good reason.
That's not a knock on Treadwell, he is a big physical WR that could be special, but CJ was in a class of his own.
Seriously, you should listen more and stop pretending you are an expert. There are some guys on here who know what they are saying. You really might want to listen once in awhile and check your ego at the door.
The last WR to be taken at #2 was Calvin Johnson...Is this kid as dynamic?
I do not know the answer to that question, I think the easy answer is to say "No way!"
But coming out of college, no one knew what Calvin was going to be, being at Georgia Tech, in that offense..
It's the easy answer.
No way. Scouts knew enough about Calvin to draft him at #2. His Size speed combo was unbelievable. And he was already a physical WR back then. There was a ton of hype about CJ before the draft and for good reason.
That's not a knock on Treadwell, he is a big physical WR that could be special, but CJ was in a class of his own.
Of course I knew the answer - just wanted to make my point.
I don't mind a first round WR but not in the top 10 and Especially not in the top 5. Unless we are talking about a once in 10 year talent like Calvin. And for those who like using the Yeah and look how it didn't help their franchise...when they talk about other positions. Rastaplan...directing to you. Well the great WR taken How has that helped the Lions get to Nowhere?
Its about the Team gentlemen and ladies. Pieces of the puzzle of course our major problem is that we keep changing the puzzle too often before we even connect the 4 corners and outer border.
I like for us to invest in WRs but at a good buy. I pimp a few here or there I liked Sammy Coates last year and thought he could have been had at a good price. Many guys I like end up getting drafted by our rivals.
Its supposedly not a strong draft class this year. So I don't know. Our best bet is to hope Gordon is done with mess ups...actually he hasn't had bad mess ups the last year or so just stupid things that had more severity due to the stage of the NFL program.
Gordon if we sign Benjamin and we have Hawkins and Hartline. the Unit would not be that bad at all a good solid investment in FA? Don't know who is available.
jmho
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Listening to local sports talk, a lot of the on air types are convinced Hue is going hard after both Marvin Jones AND Mohammed Sanu from the Bengals. Bolster your WR corps, weaken your division opponent ... win-win. I have no idea if the Cleveland sports yakkers actually know anything, but it makes a lot of sense.
JMO, but I wouldn't mind burning that second first rounder on whatever the best, biggest, most physical WR with the best hands/route running that's available and don't think twice about it.
I'm done seeing our smaller guys get jammed at the line and shut out. What good is speed if you change crank up the gears to get there?
Josh Gordon I just can't rely on, and besides even if we did - him, player X from the second first rounder and Travis with Hawkins in the slot seems like a decent setup for me. If Gordon fails and gets himself terminated - we can move player X to #1 and still have a legit force.
Seriously, you should listen more and stop pretending you are an expert. There are some guys on here who know what they are saying. You really might want to listen once in awhile and check your ego at the door.
The difference between you and me, is if I have an opinion, and find out its wrong, I dont spend 3 days yelling at people and insulting them for disagreeing with me.
So please.. who exactly needs to "check their ego" again?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Its about the Team gentlemen and ladies. Pieces of the puzzle of course our major problem is that we keep changing the puzzle too often before we even connect the 4 corners and outer border.
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