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Since the very beginning of this years college season I have watched all of Cook's games.
From the pure point of making NFL throws Cook has made more than the other prospects. Understand what I mean when I say NFL throws. At Michigan State the offense Cook ran for his entire career there was close to NFL offenses. They come out of huddle and line up under center most of the time. They utilize play action. They run NFL type route trees. The quarterback is responsible for pre and post snap reads and often has to go to second and third level reads. Cook has made many throws under pressure and into tight windows (NFL type throws). He also has played tough.
There has been many questions raised about Cook in regards to his personality and leadership. I really dislike that type of thing because it very hard to verify with any accuracy.
I found this today which is something I have been looking for and glad to see:
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This is not the end game but I am glad someone within has come forward to defend Cook.
Looking forward to completely vetting this years quarterbacks.
One thing for certain I am glad that Hue and Al Saunders are a going to play a big part of the evaluation.
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Cook is not without issues.
But in that game he was far from being healthy.
I still am holding out on final judgement but I like Wentz.
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My biggest problem with Cook is consistency. Here are a few examples. Agreed. I watched/listened to a lot of Mich State this year. I figured Cook was going to be our guy if it wasn't Johnny. And I just became less and less impressed. He's got the strong arm, big body, NFL Style Offense. But he throws so many bad balls.
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Am I aloud to say he doesn't seem very athletic ??
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He looked like such a good prospect in 2014. 2015 I'm not sure what happened.
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Thank you and I don't get all this love for other prospects and the dissing Cook gets...oh yeah I forgot he's inconsistent and I know the under 60% stat is what warrants that claim.
All I know is I've seen a lot not all of his games (most of the big ones against top competition and there were a lot of them)for several seasons. There is no QB in this draft that can make correction...HAS MADE all the throws you can ask of a NFL QB. As you stated a lot of NFL Windows unlike many of the other QBs with no pressure and 5 yard separation. I saw him as a winner and a leader.
Then came all the his team mates hate him and he wasn't voted captain. But on the field I kept seeing his leadership and the team willing to follow him.
Maybe cause he played out to his commitment and there were not many left from his class so there was more clicking with the other class??? I don't know.
What I do know I came into this with the mental frame that this guy is THE GUY. I would be happy to take him at 2 and 32...don't care where as long as he ends up here.
Let Manziel start...let Cook learn under McCown, at some point he would take over and begin his era.
I look at the footwork, the release the amount of times he has had to throw under pressure, the great not good but GREAT defenses he has had to play. His Pocket presence, the Rhythm in his drops, The accuracy in tight windows and not 5 yard slants we are talking deep outs the toughest throws to make.
The negatives will come out. I can go grade any QB and harp on the negatives and make them look like Lengerie league QBs.
All I know is I've seen him play and I have come away with him being a good to great QB in the NFL. Hopefully the Browns despite the possible Boos that might come from ill advised fans.
I would love to get him at 32 but I doubt he would be available they never are. Yeah I know I know we should pick a WR...lol 
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I am still going to reserve final judgement. There is still lots of time to look.
Early on Cook was in my mind way ahead of the others for a lot of the factors you and I mentioned.
This coming week will be very interesting with Senior Bowl practice week. Normally it is the time I really look at other positions especially linemen. Senior practice is cool when you get to see these top linemen really get after each other.
Quarterbacks not so much because plenty come out early.
Wentz will be there this year I really like what I have seen of him on tape.
Really disappointed that Cook turned down the Senior Bowl. Maybe he is still recovering from injury.
The highest academic achievement award for all of college football has Wentz's name on it. That is no small achievement. It takes great discipline and intelligence.
On game film. Wentz is a very big, tough, athletic guy. He throws from a wide base and can really chuck it. He can extend and make plays with his legs. He actually is a good runner. He can throw on the run accurately, and has the ability to put touch on throws. He has all the tools that you can work with and develop.
He has faced limited competition. Not much different than Big Ben and Flacco. He looks the part of AFC North QB. Knowing Jackson's, and Al Saunders frame of reference he fits the mold of the guys they have worked with. Leadership wise; when you watch the game film it is clear from the way he interacts with players and coaches that he is the man.
Actually I am pretty confident in this QB class and the people we have who will be looking. Between Cook, Goff, Lynch and Wentz we should be able to find our guy.
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Good analysis, Bonefish. But if you like all those guys, do you think we should take Bosa or theWAR and grab one of the QBs at the top of Round 2? I hate to be greedy or unrealistic, but man, if we came away with Bosa or Treadwell AND Wentz, I would be pretty happy!
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Coming from an old school perspective: If you don't have a franchise quarterback you need one and should get one if you have the chance.
In a perfect world I would love to walk out of the first round with Bosa and Wentz.
But reality says that won't happen. At this point I am uncertain if any of the top QB prospects gets out of the first round.
So my mind set is simple. If they really like one of these guys go get him early.
Cook maybe the only guy who may slip to our pick at 32. But why take a chance?
I have respect for Hue Jackson and Al Saunders when it comes to quarterbacks. They are going to get their guy.
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I agree with you. I believe when one targets a QB, it shouldn't be an "either and or" proposition. You have to have one you believe in and target that QB. I don't believe you can go into the process with the mind set that you can take whoever is left. That's not an approach I believe should be taken.
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Really Pit the more I look at this quarterback class the more I think they are underrated.
No there is no Peyton or Luck but that is usually the case. Those type of guys don't grow on trees.
But this class is not that bad. There could be a real gem in this class.
I look forward to the process. It's alot more fun than the season.
My hopes:
Joe Thomas and Alex Mack stay with the team.
Josh Gordon becomes a reliable asset.
Travis Benjamin stays.
Hue figures out how to utilize Duke Johnson.
They find a pass rusher.
Number one - they identify the real quarterback of the future and develop the guy properly.
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Since the very beginning of this years college season I have watched all of Cook's games.
From the pure point of making NFL throws Cook has made more than the other prospects. Understand what I mean when I say NFL throws. At Michigan State the offense Cook ran for his entire career there was close to NFL offenses. They come out of huddle and line up under center most of the time. They utilize play action. They run NFL type route trees. The quarterback is responsible for pre and post snap reads and often has to go to second and third level reads. Cook has made many throws under pressure and into tight windows (NFL type throws). He also has played tough.
There has been many questions raised about Cook in regards to his personality and leadership. I really dislike that type of thing because it very hard to verify with any accuracy.
I found this today which is something I have been looking for and glad to see:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000626387/article/msu-lb-darien-harris-defends-qb-connor-cook
This is not the end game but I am glad someone within has come forward to defend Cook.
Looking forward to completely vetting this years quarterbacks.
One thing for certain I am glad that Hue and Al Saunders are a going to play a big part of the evaluation. I like Cook, I've come around on him this year as a prospect... It just bothers me, and I hate to go Draft Day on you guys, but seriously, why was that guy not voted as a captain? 5th year senior, starting QB? People point to the way he acted during the trophy presentation during the Big Ten, and I don't want to take too much from that because it was literally minutes after a huge win. It's almost unfair to judge players or coaches on the things they say immediately after a game. If you've ever played sports, you get it... But it just really bugs me that this guy didn't have the respect of his teammates to be voted as a captain. I don't think you have to make the decision on Cook at 2, but maybe at 32. Maybe round 3. I don't think we can afford to bring in anyone other than a QB who has no question marks, and displays high leadership qualities.
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I think there are lots of good choices out there. I just hope Hue is sure that the guy fits what he want them to do before picking one and doesn't just go with the next highest guy on the list.
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Once again I agree with you but have a caveat.
I don't want Hue to push or reach for a QB simply to draft one. Yes, IF he can identify his QB, I certainly hopes he uses the #2 pick to address it. I just want him to be totally sure in his mind about the decision.
There are other picks such as Bosa I would be fine drafting at #2 if Hue isn't sure about his guy.
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When it comes to questions about personality, character, leadership it is really hard to verify anything with accuracy.
Manziel? There were many questions raised about drinking etc. Even his father was quoted.
But unless you can sit across from him or talk to people that know the guy from an insiders point of view. Not much to do but rely on the people making the decision.
Wentz has been captain for the last two years. But when you watch his games it is easy to see that he is the leader.
Watching Cook he rarely interacts with anyone. That is why there are questions. That is why I posted the team mate who came out to support him.
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I don't think is worth a first or second round pick. I also think he has one of the quickest releases I have ever seen. The ball gets out of his hand very fast.
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Agreed.
The one scenario I could see is trading back. But obviously it entails risk. I could see the Cowboys, Houston, 49er's, Rams all in the market for a QB. So trading back opens the door to lose your guy.
I just have this hunch that Wentz may be of their liking
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It would be just like the Browns to draft one of these chump qbs at number 2. I hope they do.........Seriously. It will be funny watching you guys defend the pick for 2 years and then you can start lobbying for the next great QB.
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I don't think is worth a first or second round pick. I also think he has one of the quickest releases I have ever seen. The ball gets out of his hand very fast. So if he's there at the top of the 3rd.. do you take him? I dont think he will be, but stranger things have happened. And say he is there, and you take him, he's "pro ready" and all.. is he then your starter?
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I'd rather we look at Sackenberg instead of Cook.
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I don't think is worth a first or second round pick. I also think he has one of the quickest releases I have ever seen. The ball gets out of his hand very fast. So if he's there at the top of the 3rd.. do you take him? I dont think he will be, but stranger things have happened. And say he is there, and you take him, he's "pro ready" and all.. is he then your starter? I'd starting thinking hard about the pick if he fell to the 3rd.
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No way Cook lasts until the 3rd unless he's injured, in which case you don't take him at all.
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No way Cook lasts until the 3rd unless he's injured, in which case you don't take him at all. Many QB's have fallen farther than that.
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No way Cook lasts until the 3rd unless he's injured, in which case you don't take him at all. Many QB's have fallen farther than that. IMO, Cook doesn't get past the early 2nd round. He would have gone mid 1st last year had he come out.
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No way Cook lasts until the 3rd unless he's injured, in which case you don't take him at all. Many QB's have fallen farther than that. IMO, Cook doesn't get past the early 2nd round. He would have gone mid 1st last year had he come out. Barkley would have gone in the Top 4. Then went in the 4th round the following season.
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Maybe everyone should wait for your blessing on a quarterback since your knowledge is so vastly superior to everyone else's.
No wait let's keep propping Manziel up that should work.
You have gotten to the point that nothing is right. Therefore everyone is wrong.
Sounds like you want all to go sour so you can say you were right. Sad.
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When it comes to questions about personality, character, leadership it is really hard to verify anything with accuracy.
Manziel? There were many questions raised about drinking etc. Even his father was quoted.
But unless you can sit across from him or talk to people that know the guy from an insiders point of view. Not much to do but rely on the people making the decision.
Wentz has been captain for the last two years. But when you watch his games it is easy to see that he is the leader.
Watching Cook he rarely interacts with anyone. That is why there are questions. That is why I posted the team mate who came out to support him.
I have a really hard time looking past the fact that a 3 year starter at QB was not voted as a captain, especially as a senior. We need a leader, we need a face to this franchise. Can it be someone whose teammates would not consider to be the face of his college team?
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When it comes to questions about personality, character, leadership it is really hard to verify anything with accuracy.
Manziel? There were many questions raised about drinking etc. Even his father was quoted.
But unless you can sit across from him or talk to people that know the guy from an insiders point of view. Not much to do but rely on the people making the decision.
Wentz has been captain for the last two years. But when you watch his games it is easy to see that he is the leader.
Watching Cook he rarely interacts with anyone. That is why there are questions. That is why I posted the team mate who came out to support him.
I have a really hard time looking past the fact that a 3 year starter at QB was not voted as a captain, especially as a senior. We need a leader, we need a face to this franchise. Can it be someone whose teammates would not consider to be the face of his college team? Too me that's just a red flag that you investigate a bit and look into in the interview.
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Waiting to read more. Watched several games and was not impressed much; not sure of his injury status. Just do not care for what I saw as a starter for us in the NFL. I have been wrong before, but I liked what I saw of Goff in two partial games.
I favor him over CC, meself.
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Coming from an old school perspective: If you don't have a franchise quarterback you need one and should get one if you have the chance.
In a perfect world I would love to walk out of the first round with Bosa and Wentz.
But reality says that won't happen. At this point I am uncertain if any of the top QB prospects gets out of the first round.
So my mind set is simple. If they really like one of these guys go get him early.
Cook maybe the only guy who may slip to our pick at 32. But why take a chance?
I have respect for Hue Jackson and Al Saunders when it comes to quarterbacks. They are going to get their guy.
I think that if Bosa is there, we take Bosa, and then do whatever we need to to trade back up to get Cook/Wentz or whomever. Our #32 plus some other things should be able to get us into the #13-#17 range, which should be good enough to get our guy. Either way, we need to come away from this offseason with a solution at QB and a beast at one of the LBer spots.
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Yesterday I watched all of the NE/Denver game and most of the Panther/Cards game.
In a big game it is hard to go against Tom Brady. He has delivered so many times.
However, even the best quarterback can be humbled by a great pass rush and constant pressure.
With that being said and as much as I believe in defensive pressure. Quarterback trumps all. Brady has got them there many times and won many times.
We have to get a quarterback that we can count on.
Is that guy in this draft? I don't know.
I see some talent and potential. I have decided to take a wait and see approach. I have trust in Hue Jackson and Al Saunders experience with quarterbacks.
We need a quarterback. The Browns also need to prioritize rushing the passer on defense.
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Understood, but that reinforces my rationale.
You can get Bosa and then Cook/Wentz with a trade up.
The reverse is not possible as Bosa will be gone before any opportunity presents itself for us to trade up.
This is the lone type of scenario where I actually favor looking at draft location value.... the QB's will be there later on, and we can trade back up to get the one we want. That uber-stud passrusher will NOT be there.
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You could argue that Noah Spence gives ~Bosa quality and could be found in the 2nd. JS.
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Yes, assuming that they are equal, but then you're grabbing a QB in the Top 5 that you should be able to get around pick 15-25 before grabbing a 2nd rounder that you hope will pan out to do as well as a guy considered worthy of the #1 overall.
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Yes, assuming that they are equal, but then you're grabbing a QB in the Top 5 that you should be able to get around pick 15-25 before grabbing a 2nd rounder that you hope will pan out to do as well as a guy considered worthy of the #1 overall.
Is that any difference from picking a QB in the 2nd round who should be there in the 3rd and hoping he performs like a top 5 pick? I'm just sharing a similar strategy, nothing more.
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When you have a number of teams shopping quarterback ie. Houston, Rams, 49ers, Cowboys, maybe even the Jets and the Eagles. Hard to know what their approach to the draft is going to be.
The Browns are in a position to get their guy if they feel that guy is in this draft.
Get that guy. Then use the draft wisely to get impact players. We have openings at virtually every position to improve upon.
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Yes, assuming that they are equal, but then you're grabbing a QB in the Top 5 that you should be able to get around pick 15-25 before grabbing a 2nd rounder that you hope will pan out to do as well as a guy considered worthy of the #1 overall. I'm not so sure that it will be possible. I understand that draft gurus and posters act as if they know how draft boards will be set to some degree. Yet in actuality that means very little. It only takes one team to decide they wish to draft your QB to totally blow this entire theory out of the water. The QB is not a position where you can just "insert name here out of the top 3 prospects". It has to be a QB that you have chosen above all others. You take a big risk missing out on your QB of choice by employing such a strategy. Now I'm not saying that our FO sees such a QB in this draft. But if they do, that will be the pick and I completely understand it.
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