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he had newspapers on his porch to make people think he was out of town apparently. Of course the snoops thwarted his devious plot to fool the masses. -

Ok thanks. I thought it was a "proof of life" or something...

You can pick apart any little segment of the sentences and at the end of the day, there's reason why one of the most popular athletes, I mean JF could pet a cat and make headlines, is getting dropped by marketing companies that likely could profit from/off him.

Say what you will, but this kid isn't grown up enough to hold, IMO, the most important position in football needing the most responsibility/trust from your fellow teammates, as well as dedication.

He'd rather be Johnny Football, Heisman winner loaded with hype/popular/puts partying before the career/getting soaked with fame and attention than being Johnny Manziel, dedicated hard worker where the organization, team and this freaking city as a whole can rely on.

To me, the story ends there. As a matter of fact, I'm done all together talking about JF until he gets cut/traded/consistenly can get his act together.

D O N E!

So far we have pundits telling us that Jackson doesn't want Manziel (who'd blame him) but in his initial presser he says he wants to view tape and talk to the player.

I have a belief that Manziel will be gone no matter the words that are coming out of Jacksons mouth. I doubt we just cut him. More likely we'll trade him for a rusted out 1951 Studebaker or a Draft pick.

Speculation on my part, but I'm not so sure the pundits are correct in saying that Jackson has already decided to jettison Johnny as part of a term of his employment. I think it more likely that he wants to go over this roster thoroughly and asked/told them that they'd have to be willing to let Johnny go if he decided he should and I think they said Yes.

Now it's not like Johnny is a total unknown to Hue, so it may be possible that he's already got his mind 95% made up about him.

Hue Jackson on Cleveland Browns Daily_Jan 15

In the link above, for 1 minute beginning at about 2:50, Hue describes qualities he wants in a QB and, to me, it sounds like he's describing Johnny.

The biggest area that Manziel lacks is in the leadership area .... and he lacks that aspect badly. Manziel has a solid arm, but not what I would consider superior arm talent. He could be an average to above QB if the commitment were there on his part, but I truly question whether or not that is so. (and that leads back to leadership) Can Manziel be the face of the franchise if his actions continually embarrass the franchise? I don't think so.Can anyone say that Manziel is 100% committed to being the absolutely best QB he can be ...working and studying hard every single day of the year? Is he willing to sacrifice in other areas of his life to be the best he can be? I don't think he is.

Could the things that Hue mentioned (in this interview, as well as others) apply to Manziel? They could. Do they right now? I would have to say no. If Manziel turned his attitude 100% around, then he could be a better than average QB. If Josh Gordon stays clean, he could be one of the very best WR in the NFL. However, "Ifs" only go so far in the NFL.

Leadership ability and being the face of the franchise = Not Johnny.

So.... What's the percentage he stays on the team?

I would put it at roughly 5%.

This has been said several times already and I'll repeat it again. The longer it takes this supposed video evidence to surface of Johnny in Vegas, the more I think it's the media being full of crap. If it really was out there, those vultures would've dug it up by now.

Unless Haslam went and bought the video and burned it to maximize any trade value??

As for a %... I'd give him 3% chance of staying. I have a hard time believing that Hue is going to be blown away by him, and short of that, I don't doubt we accept any reasonable offer for him. Someone will offer something for him for giggles... maybe Rex Ryan??? lol

Here's the thing though. JFF put a picture of him and his dog out as proof he was home. Now, unless that dog is the second coming of Benjamin Button, that picture was a lie. His dog would have to of went backwards in age by about eight weeks or more.

Whether JFF was in Vegas may be up for debate, but the fact that he lied yet again to try to provide an alibi that was simply false.

A casino is under no obligation to supply any media outlet with video surveillance evidence. I'm thinking if they want him back again? They keep it to themselves.

I could do with more pigskin and less trauma. Doing everything right if you want to be benched or traded. Manipulating situation towards that goal? Vegas again. Glad to see the fine.

Can percentages be in negative numbers? Why let him roll out the sideshow again?

I would say less than five per cent. More like pi percent; he is a repeating decimal or undefined.

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I think Denver might give us a ham sandwich for you.

Really, someone that can be the face of the franchise is Johnny? Hey, if you want the face of the franchise to be laying face down in the street drunk, then yeah, Johnny is your guy LOL

But I think I get what your saying in all honesty. Johnny did sorta take care of the ball as Hue wants, he wasn't afraid do what he was asked to do ON THE FIELD!

It's the off field stuff that still makes me uneasy.

I guess one of the reasons why I am still behind Johnny is because of the way the media has a focused vendetta against him. This article is a perfect example. The title of the thread makes it sound as if the Browns are passing on Manziel but it was the farthest thing from the comments made by DePodesta. I hate that stuff. Mary Kay Cabot would make anyone want a drink. Anyway its an interesting read anyway
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Paul DePodesta on if Johnny Manziel will be with Cleveland Browns next year: 'Pass'

By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com
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on January 22, 2016 at 8:33 PM, updated January 22, 2016 at 9:18 PM
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns new Chiefs Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta discovered Friday that he better bone up quickly on all things Johnny Manziel.

He tried to filibuster his way out of a Manziel question Friday, but Fox Sports Radio host Jay Mohr wouldn't let him.

Here's how the exchange went:

Mohr: "Is Johnny Manziel going to be a Cleveland Brown next year?"

DePodesta: "You know, it's funny. Yesterday we were at our press conference and I was there with Sashi Brown who's our (Executive Vice President) of Football Ops and he obviously knew so much more about the team at this point, the players, and they're asking him about Manziel and some of the other guys and they sort of looked at me and I said, 'no, I'm still trying to figure out what the extension is in my office. I don't even know these guys yet.''

Mohr: "That's a cool answer, bro, for the corporate guy. Look, I'm an old pothead, comic actor that got a radio show. Is Johnny Manziel going to be a Brown next year? Yes, no or pass?''

DePodesta: (Laughs).

Mohr: "That's a cool story about a guy that was at a place, at a thing, but what?''

DePodesta: "Hey, I wasn't even around so I don't know. It really honestly isn't fair for me to comment those guys.''

Mohr: "Just say the word pass. Like 'pass, I'm passing on that question.'''

DePodesta: "Pass.''

Mohr: "Alright. Fair enough brother.''

During the introductory press conference Thursday for Brown and DePodesta, Brown indicated that Manziel must get himself together over the next few months in order to stick around.

He acknowledged that he didn't know if Manziel went to Vegas during the season finale but "I do know he missed his concussion treatment and received a fine for that,'' he said. "What we expect is Johnny to have a good off-season and come back and be ready to go. We're not in any panic to make any decision one way or another on him. He understands what's ahead of him and what he needs to do to have a career in this league and with the Browns.''

Related: Sashi Brown says Browns won't panic on Manziel decision

Brown revealed that Manziel has been cleared from the concussion protocol and should be ready to go once the team reconvenes in the spring. He also acknowledged that the club's hands are somewhat tied in what they can require him to do. Last year at this time, he checked himself into inpatient rehab for 73 days.

"Johnny is a man and he's going to have to obviously own a lot of this in terms of his future career,'' said Brown. "I'm not going to comment on the off-the-field stuff now or go into some of the internal conversations that we've had with him. He understands perfectly the circumstance that he's in and where he is in his career. As we move forward, our expectation is that he comes back ready to go and is focused on being a great teammate."

He stressed that coach Hue Jackson will have a large say in the matter.

"He's looking forward to sitting down and meeting Johnny,'' Browns said. "We will have standards and expectations for our players on and off the field. If they meet them, they meet them. If they don't there will be consequences there.''

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I didn't post the article for an agenda, I posted it because I see it as he was fined, not really any big deal.It makes me wonder just what they have planned for him.

I find some of the statements made by Hue J interesting toward his views on Johnny and the QB position... I also feel Hue's personality may deal with Johnny's a little better then what Pets did.

No one on this board can say that Johnny is the only NFL player who has had off field issues... We can in fact look at how others situations were handled with such Coach and FO's.

This has been mentioned, Was it really a good situation for a rookie HC to be paired with a rookie QB of Johnny's nature ? Not to speak for others, I surely don't think so.. It was pretty obvious Pet and Johnny clashed on a consistent basis.

Look what happened to David Blatt..Reading more into that situation makes you wonder how there was any success... I look at Pets situation, had he been able to have this team winning, would the Johnny issues have been there ?

I in no way agree with Johnny's behavior toward missing meetings or disrespecting team orders.. Could we argue that the rift between him and Pet caused all the crazy nonsense ?.. Can we argue that johnny was crazy before that and his actions were going to be what they were no matter who his HC was ?

Sure, We can and will argue every scenario about what was and what is Johnny Manziel... I respect the opinions of the people who want him gone & I also respect the opinions of the ones who would like to see him stay.

This article to me was, okay, a fine...I didn't see any harsh punishment. But at this time of season, can there be or would there be any reason to do anything but just fine him.

Can Johnny succeed in the NFL ? who knows.. The question I have is if he was to be successful, Is a guy like Hue the type of guy who could make him succeed.

I still support the on the field, in a Browns uni Johnny. I will also support any decision that will be made of him by Hue J... Maybe I'm wrong to maybe I'm not, It's just where I stand now.

Johnny Playground may be more appropriate. I am wondering if the flaws shown make him too messed up to ever be a NFL QB.

After that is a big question sitting there of his durability if he does start.

After all, they are hiring a new Strength & conditioning staff...

I am goin to make something up...maybe manziel lied about concussion. or maybe it was a deal made to sit by club pett.

Why go to treatment if your not hurt?

I Hope Cam Erving is number one on his list...

It was much needed. I don't think any of our players have become physically stronger since they've been here.

Sashi Brown has difficulty in judging people...he referred to Manziel as a "man" in his presser. He is just a big boy making the world his playground.

3) Johnny Manziel's future. It's not news that Johnny Manziel's days as a Brown are numbered. Or they likely are, based on how things went down during the interview process of eventual head-coaching hire Hue Jackson. But the reason why? As I understand it, there's significant doubt within the organization that Manziel will be able to handle the demands that Jackson puts on players at his position. The expectation of the new staff will be, more or less, that the quarterback take up residence at the facility during the season, and be a round-the-clock presence with his teammates inside those walls. It's why Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell were ideal for Jackson in Oakland. It's why he connected so closely with Andy Dalton. It's why he believed in AJ McCarron when Dalton went down in December. And if Manziel is going to have any sort of shot, he's going to have to convince a lot of people in Cleveland very, very quickly that he's capable of being that kind of gym rat. Jackson's handling of Dalton the last couple years can provide a pretty vivid illustration of what all this means. One Bengals coach said that after Jackson took over as offensive coordinator in 2014, "He changed Andy's routine to get him around us more and around the other offensive players more." Jackson actually moved to get the game plan to Dalton early each week, per the coach, "so he could talk through it in more detail. Then, he pushed [Dalton] to meet separately with other skill guys and some offensive linemen to get them on the same page as him." Overall, Jackson wants his quarterback to take ownership of his offense. As of right now, it's hard to envision Manziel as that kind of guy.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...manziels-future

This reminds me of someone. . .

Gotta find a way to reach the players. ITs why Hue is now here. I hope he can reach many of our players that have untapped talent.

I cannot imagine that Jackson wants him. A new HC, the last thing he wants to be dealing with on a weekly basis are "what Manziel did over the weekend" questions..

Not to mention, even if the stars align and Manziel becomes suddenly mature and responsible... there is still the simple question of "Can he play?" He's shown some flashes but nothing consistent. He's shown he can get hurt.

If I'm the new HC in a long line of failed HCs.. and I've got Manziel and the #2 pick in the draft... if there is a QB there worth taking, I'm taking him. I need to bring stability to this organization and the best way to do that, for at least 2-3 years, is to bring in my own QB and put that conversation to rest.

j/c:

Could the Manziel Vegas story be fabricated?

I don't see how it could be fabricated. There's pictures and videos all over the net of him doing similar things and the Vegas story has been repeated and embellished so many times that it must be true. There's no other possibility.

If the story was BS, why wouldn't he and/or his agent deny it with vehemence?
Why say nothing?

I have to say yet once again, even if the Vegas story is false, one thing is true.

The picture he posted on instagram to depict he was home with his puppy was fabricated. Unless of course like I said before, his dog was related to Benjamin Button. When a puppy reverses age by weeks, something is wrong. So whether the Vegas story is true or not I'm not at issue with.

But once again, his alibi was a lie.

Who cares lol... he himself or his agent would've squashed it like a bug, especially after getting dropped by two marketing companies at the time, had it been false. Yawn....

man, we really discussing a browns QB's fabricating pics like government propaganda pamphlets?

we have sunk so low as a franchise that we have to be exposed to this embarrassment.

Johnny at home with a migrane from the concussion just isnt the same story as psycho Manziel in a wig, partying in Vegas in a disguise. Everyone in the media and the fan base was yelling and screaming for his immediate dismissal from the team for his actions all because of one story with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

Johnny has issues but I have less problem with what Johnny as done and more problems with the way the mob was out for blood because of a rumor. Even now, people still want him released because someone started a rumor.

Hell people were ripping on him for having a concussion. lol They werent ripping on him for drinking when he was sick which I had major problems with but ripped on him for bieng placed in concussion protocol on wednesday.

That was due to the reports that said he came to practice intoxicated.