The Cleveland Browns' new brass still doesn't know where Johnny Manziel was prior to the end of the season.

Executive VP of football operations Sashi Brown told the media on Thursday the team fined the quarterback for missing a scheduled medical treatment on Jan. 3, the day of the Browns' season finale, but was unsure the reason for the absence.

Brown said the team still plans to sit down with Manziel before determining the signal-caller's future.

"We're not in a panic to make a decision one way or another on him," Brown said.

The news of the fine comes weeks after Manziel was reportedly seen in a Las Vegas casino prior to the Browns' final tilt.

" We set expectations for our team on and off field," Brown said. "Johnny owns a lot of this in terms of the future of his career."
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport previously reported that new coach Hue Jackson is expected to part ways with the enigmatic quarterback. At his introductory press conference, Jackson echoed the team's stance that they want to meet with Manziel before making any decisions.

The Browns hold the No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming NFL draft, which Jackson indicated the team could use to attempt to finally find a franchise quarterback, which has eluded the organization for decades.
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It really was expected, Sashi is doing buisness.

Hated to start another Johnny thread.. sorry

Makes sense

The fans were mistreated.

Shocking. (not really)

This is old news. It's just a "new" report of something we already knew. Now we get to read 14 pages of "we gotta cut this punk."

We gotta trade this punk

and punk someone in the trade.

OK, next page please. Only 13 more to go...

trade him to pukesburgh for a practice squad player and a bag of footballs....

Good, if he doesnt care about his team mates or fans maybe he will care about his wallet

drop in the bucket.. want to punish him? suspend him a game like they did to josh...

How much was the fine?

not sure but they usually aren't much.. atleast compared to a game check...

Great idea to put him in limbo. Like this is the only story, JFF messes up his team again?

Trade him for something, a golf cart and some brisket. Is Dally stinterested in him? At all? Package him with Bowe.

A case of Dom Pink

People still stick up and support their Johnny Manziel. I'm frankly tired of the meaningless debates of trading him, cutting him, keeping him, will he grow up, does he need to grow up and so forth.

Regardless what side you're on with JF, he's gotta grow up. If you can't at least admit that, I'd say tunnel vision........

It would not be a shock to me if Manziel remained on the roster until the draft. The Browns will be looking for the best deal they can get for him.

I guess there is a possibility that a team could make a deal with the Browns before the draft..

Can't suspend someone who won't be on the roster next year.

yea. but if pettine wasn't such a weak coach and did that year 1 who knows how it would have turned out. nothing like a good hit to the wallet combined with some public humiliation...

JMO

The vast majority posting here do not support Manziel and the numbers get less and less. So don't know what posts you are reading...lol

2. Just who has stated that he does not have to mature? I don't think anyone has ever stated that he is a stable mature adult and the rest is nonsense.

My personal view is - IF he is not a pure ALCOHOLIC...most of this is BS. On his outside deeds. The problem I see as you stated is the Maturity and the commitment to THIS TEAM 100% ALL THE TIME not when he chooses to do so!

jmho

absolutely

All the people who compare his off field life to like Gronks from NE. They use that as leverage to say "hey if JF wants to party it up before game days and miss meetings and just overall make headlines for being what he's has been, then ok np. Gronk does it" and etc. I could go on.

His fan base does seem to decline, but there's people out there still with the utmost faith in him being a solid starting qb/teammate.

I don't think anyone has explicitly stated he didn't need to mature, but there are a few who have implied it:
such those who said he was put in a position to lie, those who said that the partying doesn't matter so long as he comes to play on Sunday (due to a belief that his lifestyle is irrelevant to his career), and I'd even lump the people who referred to Pet as acting like his Daddy without providing any ideas as to how Johnny should have been dealt with.

It wasn't a lot of people, but there were/are some.

Then again, look how many people are ripping him for old news presented in a brand, new shiny article?

and miss meetings

See you snuck that in there. Not a soul says that its ok for him to have a life style that makes it ok to MISS MEETINGS...NOBODY.

You gave some correct statement then you throw in a SKUNK of a statement to therefore make all who want to see it through possibly in case he becomes good (matures) look like total pieces of crap. not playing fair. no no no...

I suppose so. I haven't been around much, but this is the first I've heard of Johnny being dealt any disciplinary action for missing that last appointment.

I do find it odd that they fined him, but supposedly still don't know where he was... I guess they don't bother fining players in person? What do they do, certified mail or Fed Ex?? lol

They probably just take it out of his check.

To be fair, the fact that he was fined is not old news.

To be fair, it was not a new violation.

Darn...........I promised myself I would not get dragged back into one of the JM threads. I have no will power. No discipline. Trade me.........

I do find it odd that they fined him, but supposedly still don't know where he was.

One thing I will find interesting is our actions (Hue Jackson in particular) if it finally comes out that he was in Las Vegas 100% sure. Right now we got some bogus claim with a guy in a bad wig and I think some Poncho and glasses???

But if true. Hue is on record saying. If he missed the scheduled session for concussion because he was in Las Vegas - THEN HE WILL NOT BE PART OF THIS TEAM. pretty point blank and if that is his decision I think he is right in doing so. Will they pursue it to come down to a 100% - possibly why we fined him hoping there is conclusion right there.

jmho

Same. I will not comment on Manziel again until something significant happens.

I'm sure we can find one or two others here that we could package you with. Not to anybody in our division though...

SUCKER!!!!

Our Security Chief John Frain is former FBI. Johnny has a cell phone and there are cameras everywhere in Vegas. If the Browns want to know where he was, then they know where he was. Do they want the fans to know where he was though?

what lends it credibility is that he didn't show up for work...

He said he was home. There has yet to be one shred of evidence showing that he wasnt. It is just the media would rather buy into costume clown johnny did it again that to report he was home. Even when he was home they were checking the date to the news paper to see if he was really gone or not.

I think the media and this fan base wont be happy until he is out of the NFL or hung from a tree.

Gronk shows up to play every sunday. he doesn't get into trouble, he isn't a headcase for his team.

oh...and he's actually GOOD.

you're right bro, people can't even being to try and compare manziel to Gronk.

Johnny has said a lot of things.

Most of them not true.

Those newspapers they checked, all 5 had the same date.

Well, it could also be that regardless of where he was that weekend, they do know 100% that he missed his appointment, so might as well hand out the minimum discipline regardless of what his reasons were.

What's all this about newspapers and dates? has the story evolved from being in Cleveland to partying in Vegas to being taken hostage in Columbia?

After Johnny went AWOL reporters went to his house in Avon to see if he was there. There were 5 newspapers sitting on the porch to give the appearance that he wasn't there. All 5 newspapers were the same edition.

he had newspapers on his porch to make people think he was out of town apparently. Of course the snoops thwarted his devious plot to fool the masses. -

Ok thanks. I thought it was a "proof of life" or something...

You can pick apart any little segment of the sentences and at the end of the day, there's reason why one of the most popular athletes, I mean JF could pet a cat and make headlines, is getting dropped by marketing companies that likely could profit from/off him.

Say what you will, but this kid isn't grown up enough to hold, IMO, the most important position in football needing the most responsibility/trust from your fellow teammates, as well as dedication.

He'd rather be Johnny Football, Heisman winner loaded with hype/popular/puts partying before the career/getting soaked with fame and attention than being Johnny Manziel, dedicated hard worker where the organization, team and this freaking city as a whole can rely on.

To me, the story ends there. As a matter of fact, I'm done all together talking about JF until he gets cut/traded/consistenly can get his act together.

D O N E!

So far we have pundits telling us that Jackson doesn't want Manziel (who'd blame him) but in his initial presser he says he wants to view tape and talk to the player.

I have a belief that Manziel will be gone no matter the words that are coming out of Jacksons mouth. I doubt we just cut him. More likely we'll trade him for a rusted out 1951 Studebaker or a Draft pick.

Speculation on my part, but I'm not so sure the pundits are correct in saying that Jackson has already decided to jettison Johnny as part of a term of his employment. I think it more likely that he wants to go over this roster thoroughly and asked/told them that they'd have to be willing to let Johnny go if he decided he should and I think they said Yes.

Now it's not like Johnny is a total unknown to Hue, so it may be possible that he's already got his mind 95% made up about him.

Hue Jackson on Cleveland Browns Daily_Jan 15

In the link above, for 1 minute beginning at about 2:50, Hue describes qualities he wants in a QB and, to me, it sounds like he's describing Johnny.

The biggest area that Manziel lacks is in the leadership area .... and he lacks that aspect badly. Manziel has a solid arm, but not what I would consider superior arm talent. He could be an average to above QB if the commitment were there on his part, but I truly question whether or not that is so. (and that leads back to leadership) Can Manziel be the face of the franchise if his actions continually embarrass the franchise? I don't think so.Can anyone say that Manziel is 100% committed to being the absolutely best QB he can be ...working and studying hard every single day of the year? Is he willing to sacrifice in other areas of his life to be the best he can be? I don't think he is.

Could the things that Hue mentioned (in this interview, as well as others) apply to Manziel? They could. Do they right now? I would have to say no. If Manziel turned his attitude 100% around, then he could be a better than average QB. If Josh Gordon stays clean, he could be one of the very best WR in the NFL. However, "Ifs" only go so far in the NFL.

Leadership ability and being the face of the franchise = Not Johnny.

So.... What's the percentage he stays on the team?

I would put it at roughly 5%.

This has been said several times already and I'll repeat it again. The longer it takes this supposed video evidence to surface of Johnny in Vegas, the more I think it's the media being full of crap. If it really was out there, those vultures would've dug it up by now.

Unless Haslam went and bought the video and burned it to maximize any trade value??

As for a %... I'd give him 3% chance of staying. I have a hard time believing that Hue is going to be blown away by him, and short of that, I don't doubt we accept any reasonable offer for him. Someone will offer something for him for giggles... maybe Rex Ryan??? lol

Here's the thing though. JFF put a picture of him and his dog out as proof he was home. Now, unless that dog is the second coming of Benjamin Button, that picture was a lie. His dog would have to of went backwards in age by about eight weeks or more.

Whether JFF was in Vegas may be up for debate, but the fact that he lied yet again to try to provide an alibi that was simply false.

A casino is under no obligation to supply any media outlet with video surveillance evidence. I'm thinking if they want him back again? They keep it to themselves.

I could do with more pigskin and less trauma. Doing everything right if you want to be benched or traded. Manipulating situation towards that goal? Vegas again. Glad to see the fine.

Can percentages be in negative numbers? Why let him roll out the sideshow again?

I would say less than five per cent. More like pi percent; he is a repeating decimal or undefined.

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I think Denver might give us a ham sandwich for you.

Really, someone that can be the face of the franchise is Johnny? Hey, if you want the face of the franchise to be laying face down in the street drunk, then yeah, Johnny is your guy LOL

But I think I get what your saying in all honesty. Johnny did sorta take care of the ball as Hue wants, he wasn't afraid do what he was asked to do ON THE FIELD!

It's the off field stuff that still makes me uneasy.

I guess one of the reasons why I am still behind Johnny is because of the way the media has a focused vendetta against him. This article is a perfect example. The title of the thread makes it sound as if the Browns are passing on Manziel but it was the farthest thing from the comments made by DePodesta. I hate that stuff. Mary Kay Cabot would make anyone want a drink. Anyway its an interesting read anyway
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Paul DePodesta on if Johnny Manziel will be with Cleveland Browns next year: 'Pass'

By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com
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on January 22, 2016 at 8:33 PM, updated January 22, 2016 at 9:18 PM
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns new Chiefs Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta discovered Friday that he better bone up quickly on all things Johnny Manziel.

He tried to filibuster his way out of a Manziel question Friday, but Fox Sports Radio host Jay Mohr wouldn't let him.

Here's how the exchange went:

Mohr: "Is Johnny Manziel going to be a Cleveland Brown next year?"

DePodesta: "You know, it's funny. Yesterday we were at our press conference and I was there with Sashi Brown who's our (Executive Vice President) of Football Ops and he obviously knew so much more about the team at this point, the players, and they're asking him about Manziel and some of the other guys and they sort of looked at me and I said, 'no, I'm still trying to figure out what the extension is in my office. I don't even know these guys yet.''

Mohr: "That's a cool answer, bro, for the corporate guy. Look, I'm an old pothead, comic actor that got a radio show. Is Johnny Manziel going to be a Brown next year? Yes, no or pass?''

DePodesta: (Laughs).

Mohr: "That's a cool story about a guy that was at a place, at a thing, but what?''

DePodesta: "Hey, I wasn't even around so I don't know. It really honestly isn't fair for me to comment those guys.''

Mohr: "Just say the word pass. Like 'pass, I'm passing on that question.'''

DePodesta: "Pass.''

Mohr: "Alright. Fair enough brother.''

During the introductory press conference Thursday for Brown and DePodesta, Brown indicated that Manziel must get himself together over the next few months in order to stick around.

He acknowledged that he didn't know if Manziel went to Vegas during the season finale but "I do know he missed his concussion treatment and received a fine for that,'' he said. "What we expect is Johnny to have a good off-season and come back and be ready to go. We're not in any panic to make any decision one way or another on him. He understands what's ahead of him and what he needs to do to have a career in this league and with the Browns.''

Related: Sashi Brown says Browns won't panic on Manziel decision

Brown revealed that Manziel has been cleared from the concussion protocol and should be ready to go once the team reconvenes in the spring. He also acknowledged that the club's hands are somewhat tied in what they can require him to do. Last year at this time, he checked himself into inpatient rehab for 73 days.

"Johnny is a man and he's going to have to obviously own a lot of this in terms of his future career,'' said Brown. "I'm not going to comment on the off-the-field stuff now or go into some of the internal conversations that we've had with him. He understands perfectly the circumstance that he's in and where he is in his career. As we move forward, our expectation is that he comes back ready to go and is focused on being a great teammate."

He stressed that coach Hue Jackson will have a large say in the matter.

"He's looking forward to sitting down and meeting Johnny,'' Browns said. "We will have standards and expectations for our players on and off the field. If they meet them, they meet them. If they don't there will be consequences there.''

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I didn't post the article for an agenda, I posted it because I see it as he was fined, not really any big deal.It makes me wonder just what they have planned for him.

I find some of the statements made by Hue J interesting toward his views on Johnny and the QB position... I also feel Hue's personality may deal with Johnny's a little better then what Pets did.

No one on this board can say that Johnny is the only NFL player who has had off field issues... We can in fact look at how others situations were handled with such Coach and FO's.

This has been mentioned, Was it really a good situation for a rookie HC to be paired with a rookie QB of Johnny's nature ? Not to speak for others, I surely don't think so.. It was pretty obvious Pet and Johnny clashed on a consistent basis.

Look what happened to David Blatt..Reading more into that situation makes you wonder how there was any success... I look at Pets situation, had he been able to have this team winning, would the Johnny issues have been there ?

I in no way agree with Johnny's behavior toward missing meetings or disrespecting team orders.. Could we argue that the rift between him and Pet caused all the crazy nonsense ?.. Can we argue that johnny was crazy before that and his actions were going to be what they were no matter who his HC was ?

Sure, We can and will argue every scenario about what was and what is Johnny Manziel... I respect the opinions of the people who want him gone & I also respect the opinions of the ones who would like to see him stay.

This article to me was, okay, a fine...I didn't see any harsh punishment. But at this time of season, can there be or would there be any reason to do anything but just fine him.

Can Johnny succeed in the NFL ? who knows.. The question I have is if he was to be successful, Is a guy like Hue the type of guy who could make him succeed.

I still support the on the field, in a Browns uni Johnny. I will also support any decision that will be made of him by Hue J... Maybe I'm wrong to maybe I'm not, It's just where I stand now.

Johnny Playground may be more appropriate. I am wondering if the flaws shown make him too messed up to ever be a NFL QB.

After that is a big question sitting there of his durability if he does start.

After all, they are hiring a new Strength & conditioning staff...

I am goin to make something up...maybe manziel lied about concussion. or maybe it was a deal made to sit by club pett.

Why go to treatment if your not hurt?

I Hope Cam Erving is number one on his list...

It was much needed. I don't think any of our players have become physically stronger since they've been here.

Sashi Brown has difficulty in judging people...he referred to Manziel as a "man" in his presser. He is just a big boy making the world his playground.

3) Johnny Manziel's future. It's not news that Johnny Manziel's days as a Brown are numbered. Or they likely are, based on how things went down during the interview process of eventual head-coaching hire Hue Jackson. But the reason why? As I understand it, there's significant doubt within the organization that Manziel will be able to handle the demands that Jackson puts on players at his position. The expectation of the new staff will be, more or less, that the quarterback take up residence at the facility during the season, and be a round-the-clock presence with his teammates inside those walls. It's why Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell were ideal for Jackson in Oakland. It's why he connected so closely with Andy Dalton. It's why he believed in AJ McCarron when Dalton went down in December. And if Manziel is going to have any sort of shot, he's going to have to convince a lot of people in Cleveland very, very quickly that he's capable of being that kind of gym rat. Jackson's handling of Dalton the last couple years can provide a pretty vivid illustration of what all this means. One Bengals coach said that after Jackson took over as offensive coordinator in 2014, "He changed Andy's routine to get him around us more and around the other offensive players more." Jackson actually moved to get the game plan to Dalton early each week, per the coach, "so he could talk through it in more detail. Then, he pushed [Dalton] to meet separately with other skill guys and some offensive linemen to get them on the same page as him." Overall, Jackson wants his quarterback to take ownership of his offense. As of right now, it's hard to envision Manziel as that kind of guy.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...manziels-future

This reminds me of someone. . .

Gotta find a way to reach the players. ITs why Hue is now here. I hope he can reach many of our players that have untapped talent.

I cannot imagine that Jackson wants him. A new HC, the last thing he wants to be dealing with on a weekly basis are "what Manziel did over the weekend" questions..

Not to mention, even if the stars align and Manziel becomes suddenly mature and responsible... there is still the simple question of "Can he play?" He's shown some flashes but nothing consistent. He's shown he can get hurt.

If I'm the new HC in a long line of failed HCs.. and I've got Manziel and the #2 pick in the draft... if there is a QB there worth taking, I'm taking him. I need to bring stability to this organization and the best way to do that, for at least 2-3 years, is to bring in my own QB and put that conversation to rest.

j/c:

Could the Manziel Vegas story be fabricated?

I don't see how it could be fabricated. There's pictures and videos all over the net of him doing similar things and the Vegas story has been repeated and embellished so many times that it must be true. There's no other possibility.

If the story was BS, why wouldn't he and/or his agent deny it with vehemence?
Why say nothing?

I have to say yet once again, even if the Vegas story is false, one thing is true.

The picture he posted on instagram to depict he was home with his puppy was fabricated. Unless of course like I said before, his dog was related to Benjamin Button. When a puppy reverses age by weeks, something is wrong. So whether the Vegas story is true or not I'm not at issue with.

But once again, his alibi was a lie.

Who cares lol... he himself or his agent would've squashed it like a bug, especially after getting dropped by two marketing companies at the time, had it been false. Yawn....

man, we really discussing a browns QB's fabricating pics like government propaganda pamphlets?

we have sunk so low as a franchise that we have to be exposed to this embarrassment.

Johnny at home with a migrane from the concussion just isnt the same story as psycho Manziel in a wig, partying in Vegas in a disguise. Everyone in the media and the fan base was yelling and screaming for his immediate dismissal from the team for his actions all because of one story with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

Johnny has issues but I have less problem with what Johnny as done and more problems with the way the mob was out for blood because of a rumor. Even now, people still want him released because someone started a rumor.

Hell people were ripping on him for having a concussion. lol They werent ripping on him for drinking when he was sick which I had major problems with but ripped on him for bieng placed in concussion protocol on wednesday.

That was due to the reports that said he came to practice intoxicated.

never let the truth get in the way of a good story lol.

Manziel proved that he cares nothing about the fans.. so y should we care about him.. let this thread die.

Because of one story? Hardly.. For most it was just another in a long line of negative stories about him and his lack of commitment to football and the Cleveland Browns...

Maybe he wasn't guilty in this instance... but he has been guilty enough. The Browns are trying to dig their way out of a hole both on the field and off the field as a joke of a franchise, Manziel hasn't really proven that he wants to be a big part of that effort. He has spent more of his first two years here serving as an anchor..

I like the kid, I wish him the best, but the baggage at this point is too great... he's not going get a fair shake from the media or the fans in Cleveland even if he does turn it around...

The exact same thing happening to Manziel is what I thought would happen to Cam Newton.

I knew he was talented, but I questioned whether or not he wanted to be a great NFL QB, or was just interested in being in the NFL..

Cam has obviously proven me wrong, and it appears Jamies Winston, another guy I felt that way about, is slowly righting the ship in the same direction.

But here's Manziel. Two years into his Professional career, I think its quite obvious what he left A&M early for..

whats that?

Honestly, the only place on this earth that he can start with a clean slate is Texas with Dallas being the best fit.

You know, with Family in the area, he may get the "AT HOME" support that could make the difference.

Looks like we are back in business...

Fame.

He doesnt "need" the money like some other kids who come out early may, and while he was already a certain level of famous. Getting to the NFL as soon as possible seemed like a bigger goal than becoming the best QB he could.

And once he finally got there, he had "nothing left to prove"

IMO

would've thought thats when he had the most to prove...

He didn't act like it.

I didn't think he go the "AT HOME" support when he was at home.

I think getting traded to a team in Texas would be the worst thing for him honestly.

Who cares what's best for him? He has proven he could care less about the Browns.

One team's trouble likely to become another team's trouble, and I'm more than happy not being on the latter end of that!

Probably, but that's not our problem. If we decide to move him and a team from Texas gives us the best deal, then off he goes.

JM's actions tell me he doesn't want to be here IMO. I was hoping he would come around and be the starting qb we were all hoping for but that isn't happening. When they cut him loose, trade him or whatever I wish him well. To bad it didn't work out here.

I wish all these pictures that I'm reading about in this thread would get posted...as I must of missed them.

I saw one picture and when I read that it was suppose to be him in Vegas in disguise I just laughed thinking it was a hoax??? Is that the picture that has damned him?

1. of two things happened.
1. He didn't go to Vegas to celebrate and dissed our protocol and missed session.
2. He did go to Vegas and celebrated and was totally out of line by not showing up here.

Now if two there is again 2 parts for me.
a. He just wanted to party cause he was immature and to him he felt SEASON over time to party - get his spirit up.

b. He tried hard all year to avoid the major lime light such as Vegas and didn't really plan any parties. Some did happen.

Then all of a sudden his Coaches were going to be fired he felt betrayed by the Organization he just Crap it....I've tried to be good. time for some Vegas as some form of defiance and of course immaturity.

One thing I do know. Is that Hue Jackson stated if he lied about not being in Vegas and he was there when he should have been here for a session. He will not be his QB...period. Gone or buried on his depth chart.

jmho

MOBILE, Ala. -- Browns' football boss Sashi Brown admitted Wednesday that he's concerned about more Johnny Manziel partying videos and that the third-year quarterback has something to prove before he's back on the team next season.

"I haven't seen them, but I would care about it just because I want all of our guys to represent themselves well and be responsible in terms of their behavior off the field,'' Brown told cleveland.com of at the Senior Bowl of videos of Manziel partying in Dallas.

MKC Article


Here's the pics and video Sashi Brown is referring to....

Manziel Pics/Video

yes he was seen dancing in public. My God someone get the whip 20 lashes the boy just aint never gonna get it.

Its less about what he is actually doing and more about his attitude and handling of the whole thing IMO

Fact - Manziel fined for missing treatment. Fact- no one could find him during last game of season in Cleveland. Fact- Our other QBs have made NO negative news and even if hurt, supported the team with their full support.

JF has been a diva for quite awhile, the former leadership saw his potential and MISTAKENLY bought in. JMHO, he's been hurt both seasons when he played, he's to small and not smart enough to play the position. Maturity AND character are both lacking--get what you can for him,...he's laughing somewhere for all us suckers who never had a million....next hero please, he's a loser.......GO Browns!!!!!

I don't think Pettine ever bought into it.

Ha, you may be right about that

Thanks...and I don't know I'm not super strict but I'm no anything goes kind of guy. I absolutely see no wrong in what I saw on those pics and video.

I just don't get it. Where is so that Manziel is banned from "FUN"???

Oh ok had to check yep he joined the Cleveland Browns and not the Jesuit Monastery as a Monk.

I'm an old fart and I see nothing wrong with it. Has our new generation become very straight and narrow???

jmho

No problem. Just sharing the info that is out there.

Might agree with you EO if JM had not created the bed he must now sleep in. His antics have caused distress for this team as was evidenced by Joe T's post Pittsburgh presser and his missed concussion appt. among other things.

He will and should be scrutinized at a closer level than those who have played by the rules behaved appropriately with regard to the team, and proven a team dedication.

Unfortunately, for him, this cannot be done until some time has passed and in the meantime, oh well! Guess he will be publicly scrutinized. He made the bed he now sleeps in.

It's funny how you see no problem with an alcoholic/addict continuing that same path that got him there the first time. People don't go to rehab for the giggles of it. They go because they have a problem.

Even his own parents tried to bribe him to quit in high school by holding a new car over his head and even that wouldn't work.

There's a big difference in having fun than there is going back to the same destructive pattern that totally derailed your career during your first NFL season. In JFF's situation, it's the same thing.

He's not reliable, dependable or trustworthy enough to conduct himself in a manner that will make him a good NFL QB.

It's really mind boggling to me the people who think opposite of the above. "Oh he's just having fun", "Oh he's young", "oh this", "oh that"... just sick of people trying to candy coat the reality of the matter.

I'm not involving myself with you and Tab's debate, I just wanted to comment on that section of Pit's post, nothing more/nothing less. I find it to be 100% accurate.

Shhhhhhhh! Your Cop is showing

Teasing of course, I agree with him. Johnny is a grown up who is paid millions of dollars to act like a QB. This is not how a QB acts.

I think the majority of people believed that (or wanted to believe that) early on from the draft into his first year... many started to wonder... then question out loud... then rehab and into year 2 he kind of got a reboot and people wanted to believe he had made an adult decision and was getting it worked out.. but then the evidence started flowing again that he really hadn't changed much at all.. now they aren't too keen on the dude. Ok, maybe I'm wrong in saying a majority.. maybe I should just say, that's how I felt.

I'm willing to give a young guy a certain latitude for youthful indiscretion.. he pushed it early and often beyond where it should go.

But Josh Gordon is..........

Nope, neither is JG.

no.

It's very much a risk/reward thing... we can (and probably should) draft a big WR this year.. he will play. If Josh comes back, great, they can play together.. if Josh gets in trouble again, then he's suspended or cut and not taking up a roster spot and is not getting paid.

If we draft a big time QB this year, there can be no sharing of duties or any "let's see what Manziel does".. QB doesn't work that way.

Not to mention, Josh had one incredible year. There is at least an expectation that the dude can play if he stays out of trouble... even if Manziel does everything right, there is still considerable doubt as to what kind of QB he can be.

I wouldn't trust either of them to babysit my kids or watch my house while I went out of town... but from the browns perspective, there are logical reasons to give Josh another chance but to cut ties with Manziel...

So, you think rumors, sensationalizing stories, repeating the same information in more articles than we can count in some lame ass attempt to make the accusations more real, etc are more credible than actual suspensions, being kicked out of two colleges, being caught in a red-handed lie, being arrested for a DUI, hanging out w/a known criminal, having pot in his car while under suspension, dogging it when he came back from a suspension, a history of missing meetings, practices, etc?

Interesting..........

sucked back in.

Yep......

Darn it!

No doubt. I'm not necessarily referring to the audience of this board, but I just seem to know too many people who to-this-day, thinks the kid has proved and/or done something and the people ripping him for his behavior are completely unjustified.

The vice versa is I knew die-hard JF from the draft and they're calling for his head.



Oh heck no. It's not fair, IMO, for Hue to have him design an offense with JG as a main weapon because... why the heck wouldn't you use that freakish talent of JG "on the field" - but it's not fair because you just can't rely on him. Simple as that.

Hue already said he's building the offense around Bowe.

Yep, that's pretty much exactly what I said..

and his missed concussion appt. among other things.

In my backing of....hmmm, maybe best said as My none crucifixion of Manziel. That if it is proven that he missed that concuss appt. because he was in Las Vegas he according to Hue is all but dead to him and I said I would agree with that as the last straw.

It's funny how you see no problem with an alcoholic/addict continuing that same path

Question? Am I allowed to just MAKE UP STUFF in this discussion?

With everybody writing and digging up pics and some facts. Where is this ASSumption of him being an alcoholic/addict.

Lots of articles on this subject please show the proof besided a Mary Kay Bozo's printed OPINION of why he went to the rehab center...ON HIS OWN mind you. Paying his own bill for whatever purpose he wanted it for?

In more than one occasion conveniently left out by you...gee what a surprise. I have said that if indeed Manziel is a "TRUE ALCOHOLIC", never once did I think remotely he was a drug addict considering we do test for that sort of thing. If he is an Alcoholic then obviously there major cause of concern for him going to parties and having a few drinks. But if he is not an ALCOHOLIC and where is your proof, not just guesses, that he is one. But if so then true mess, but IF NOT all of this is a bunch of BS.

Time for you to pony up or shut up. I don't mind a discussion/debate/argument but made up facts...

j/c:



I love how the author contradicts all of Brown's quotes w/his own unique [well, not really unique] spin and then makes things up to prove his case.

You mean like Pit, PB & LB dawg...

Calling all three of you out with your clever picture in the sand BS.

Prove to me he is a diagnosed Alcoholic or Drug Addict as you MADE up as the sole basis of your arguments.

Put up or shut up - all three. Hey you totally dissed me...well prove it and if you can I will agree that you guys are right.

And if it comes out 6 months from now there is no WE WERE right. I asking for your proof of this.

It is going to snow EXACTLY 26 days from now...that is a fact.

Then of course as luck has it - it actually snows. Does that make me a prophet or a dart board warrior.

Cause even I say - it could be possibly but I don't know. I do say if it is so he's an alcoholic the couple of drinks and parties here and there is sign that he is done, here and everywhere.

??? btw I won't hold my breath.

eo there is no proving anything to you. thus the head in the sand. you and browns32 could walk in on him doing a line and you two would look at each other and high five saying the doctor finally gave him something for his sinus problem.

When Hue was hired the rumor surfaced that Hue said in the interview that he wanted to move on from Manziel and the Browns allegedly said, "That won't be a problem."

From that point, I think the Browns have been posturing to get something, anything, in trade value for Manziel. If somebody out there does want him and firmly believes he will be cut, then they aren't likely to trade for him.. I think this is Sashi Brown trying to build a case that we might keep him to up his trade value from nothing to something..

This is, of course, just my humble opinion.

For anyone that's interested, Andre Knott and Zac Jackson (local cleveland media/reporter guys) do a great podcast called A to Z, here is the one on Johnny Manziel if you have an hour to kill.

Enjoy!

Podcast Link

eo there is no proving anything to you. thus the head in the sand.

I see you took the Gelding way out...

So you are allowed to say as fact that he is a drug addict and because of that fact vindicates your opinion of him as garbage. When you full well know by even your own account above that it is your ASSumption not fact so that your opinions have no validation.

THUS the head in the sand...I truly understand. As a last resort cause you have been called out...avert the question by cutesy insults like Head in the sand and stuff like that...why cause I actually wish to KNOW THE TRUTH...um do you even understand the concept of HEAD IN THE SAND...that is how you AVOID THE TRUTH...NOT SEEK IT.

You really wish to continue with this. It won't come out good for you...only way and you are gifted in finding articles that show something...Only way is for you to find some definitive FACT that he truly is a diagnosed Alcoholic...then and only then is what you and others claim as fact truly fact. And I said then and only then would I agree with your view of Manziel. But I'm villafied for wanting to KNOW THE TRUTH before I hang the kid. How does that equate to me having my head in the sand. I am not avoiding the facts, the truth, I'm asking for it!

People believe what they want to.

Eo, let's just kick it down a notch and get extremely broad and generic here.

He goes out and puts himself on camera and makes a mess of himself. Pic of him rolling a bill up in a bathroom and just so on and so on. Obviously he's been scolded, warned, many times have seen/lived the result of his antics and etc etc and yet... videos keep popping up.

It's clear there's no off/on switch. It's clear he likes the spotlight. It's clear, after consequences, rehab and endless media bashing he will not shift his priorities.

Why do you stick up for him? Hey I wanted to party up too when I was his age and I damn sure did just that, but I didn't get paid millions nor did I have an army (including an entire city) needing to rely on me.

All JMO of course

I don't know if that is always true. I was a big Manziel supporter. I wanted him to get more time last year.. I argued in favor of 2nd chances, I have stated repeatedly that we DO NOT KNOW if he was in rehab because he's an alcoholic so if he has a drink now on the off week, I don't know if it's that big of a deal.. I'm not even saying I want him gone now, just saying what I think WILL happen.

One thing I will say, if the Browns have any intention of keeping Manziel, which I'm still skeptical about, they have to change the narrative.

Every time a video surfaced, it was Pettine with his "we take these things very serious and we'll look into it" response. Or the notion that he was drinking on the bye week, back in his college town and got suspended.. no wait, he wasn't suspended for drinking he was suspended for lying about drinking... ok, whatever.

First, if we are keeping Manziel, he's the starter... bringing in another high round draft pick to compete for the job isn't going to work for anybody, not the QBs, not the offense, not the staff, not the fans.. nobody.

Second, issue a statement and clear up the drinking thing. Something along the lines of "Manziel was not in rehab because he's an alcoholic, his treatment and progress doesn't have to be alcohol free. Manziel is an adult and as long as he's meeting his obligations to the team, if he wants to drink on his own time, that's up to him."

Third, it has to be stressed to Manziel, we are done playing games with this. You want to be treated like an adult, start acting like one. Missing meetings, missing treatments, sneaking out of town is TOTALLY unacceptable. (For the record, I fully admit I don't know which of those rumors are true and which are not) If you want to have a drink, no problem, if you want to go back to College Station on the bye week, no problem, if you want to go to Vegas or a Biebs concert on your own time, no problem.... just remember that you represent the Cleveland Browns every where you go.

Not saying that would work, not saying that's what we should do.. but if there is one more chance in this for Manziel in Cleveland, it has to be more transparent... on one hand we have no real right to know but on the other hand, if the Browns want any peace with this, we, the fans, need to know what the rules are. If we see a photo or a video or hear a story of him drinking is it ok? Is it a big deal or not? If it is a big deal, then suspend him for drinking, if it's not a big deal, why does he feel the need to try to lie about it? There just has to be some consistency to this and last year, the Browns were all over the map on how they responded to these things... they need to squash that right away.

It's been two weeks since the Cleveland Browns named Hue Jackson their next head coach, but Jackson admitted Wednesday that he has yet to speak with quarterback Johnny Manziel.

"He just wasn't in the first batch of guys," Jackson told Cleveland.com at the Senior Bowl. "But he's definitely on our list."

Good news for Browns fans -- Jackson did reach out to Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas, who debated on opting out if he did not like the new coaching staff.


"I'm kind of picking guys," he said. "Some I know on this team that I've been involved with at other places. Some I don't know and want to get to know. There's no rhyme or reason why I haven't talked to (Manziel), but it's just the process I'm in right now. I'm just kind of picking the guys as I go."

Jackson said he's not "directing anything" at Manziel.

"I don't think that's the right thing to do," he said. "One of my philosophies for our organization is talent is important, but character and being a good person and doing the things that we want done as a Cleveland Brown is very important."

Jackson added that he hasn't viewed Manziel's newest videos. He intends to address Manziel's offseason once the two meet.

"One, I haven't watched it to be very honest with you," he told 92.3 The Fan. "Then, No. 2, it is the offseason, and I would hope that players would do a great job of representing themselves and our organization and our team in a positive light. That's what we want.

"And if guys don't, I mean, I think everybody understands and recognizes there's consequences for everything that you do."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000629296/article/hue-jackson-has-not-spoken-to-johnny-manziel

Manziel being gone is not a foregone conclusion. I think Hue recognizes Manziel's talent and if he believes it is salvageable he will stay on the roster.

Yet to meet someone who potentially will hold your Qb position, the most important position hands down on all sides of the spectrum of football??

To me that action alone, just that sole action - tells me Hue already wants absolutely nothing to do with that kid. Wise man,imo.

Johnny Manziel’s dad worries, “it could come unraveled”

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 30, 2013, 7:21 PM EST

When we in the football media have talked about Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel’s reputation for partying, we’ve mostly discussed it in terms of how his enjoyment of night life might affect his football career. But Manziel’s parents have much more significant concerns about their son.

In a revealing profile of the Manziel family for ESPN the Magazine, Wright Thompson quotes Paul Manziel, the father of the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback, expressing concern about what might become of his son. Paul Manziel believes Johnny feels so much pressure from all the scrutiny that comes with being a star quarterback that he might snap.

“Yeah, it could come unraveled. And when it does, it’s gonna be bad. Real bad,” Paul Manziel said. “It’s one night away from the phone ringing, and he’s in jail. And you know what he’s gonna say? ‘It’s better than all the pressure I’ve been under. This is better than that.'”

Manziel’s dad also said that his son drinks to deal with stress, and has anger issues that cause concern for the family.

“I don’t know where the anger comes from,” Paul said. “I don’t think he knows. If it comes from his drinking, or if he’s mad at himself for not being a better person when he fails, when he fails God and his mom and me. If it makes him angry that he’s got demons in him. You can only speculate because you can’t go in there.”

Paul Manziel suggested that Texas A&M isn’t providing the kind of guidance that he’d like to see his son receive in college.

“He still needs to see he’s wrong — and how to control his temper. And if I give up on him, who’s gonna take over? The school sure the hell isn’t gonna do it,” he said.

Paul Manziel also strongly suggested that his son will leave Texas A&M to enter the 2014 NFL draft, saying the family is getting tired of NCAA investigations.

“It’s starting to get under our skin,” Paul says. “They’re so selfish.”

In the NFL, Johnny Manziel won’t have to worry about NCAA compliance rules. But he’ll also be expected to conduct himself like a grown man. And his father seems to wonder if Johnny has grown up enough to do that.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...come-unraveled/

Sometimes Manziel had too much fun, skipping class and sweet-talking his way out of trouble. His father made him a deal: he would buy Manziel a new car if he stayed away from alcohol during his junior and senior years in high school. One summer night, Manziel went to Wal-Mart to buy a phone charger, the security guard smelled alcohol and the police were called.

Manziel denied he had been drinking but was taken to jail. The next day, his father picked him up, sold the car and replaced it with a busted pickup truck that would repeatedly break down on the way to school. He refused to pay the fine for his son, and when the judge sentenced Manziel to 10 hours of community service, John Paul said: Make it 20.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/24/sports...-line.html?_r=0

Then there's his stint in rehab.

Tab, that is proof. I'm sorry if you simply refuse to admit it. I'm sorry you can't follow the bouncing ball and look at the history of JFF to see the obvious. That's not my cross to bear.

First time I read/knew about that article. Revealing... it is *Yoda voice*

The fact he's had alcohol issues dating back to high school has been widely reported. His own family admits he has alcohol issues since high school. The people who raised him understand it and openly admit it. Rehab was the next logical step. Some people just turn a blind eye to it and act like that's no proof. The answer is obvious.

That seems odd coming from Hue. The Bengals are the dirtiest team in the league. They have quite a few guys that have serious character issues.

And weren't the Raiders accused of dirty play when he coached them? Didn't he only keep Rolando McClain out for a few plays after McClain fired a gun right past another man's head?

It seems to me when in Rome you act as Romans! Aren't all the teams in the AFCN, except Cleveland, have a reputation being dirty and guys having character issues?

During the 70's and 80's I assume you sided more with the Cowboys way instead of the Raiders. I'll admit I liked watching the Raiders hated playing against teams like them.

You assume wrong. I hate the Cowboys.

And I think you missed my point..........I SAID that I thought it was odd that Hue was bringing up the character angle considering his past.

Hmm, I thought you posted in another thread you weren't a big fan how Cincy plays football. I guess I was mistaken.

What?

Pretty sure you misunderstood.

Aren't most of Cincy's players who are considered dirty on defense? Hue was an offensive coach...

Why are you dragging me into this discussion?

really you actually think thats proof.

His dad talking about pressure and Maturity in an OLD ARTICLE.

And then there is the stint in rehab...not asked to go there via the courts as per Gordon and his deal with the probation.

So what you are trying to tell me. IS anyone WHO VOLUNTARILY PLACES THEMSELVES INTO A REHAB FACILITY IS AN ADDICT OR ALCOHOLIC...well according to your professional recommendation.

Thank you for trying something at least rather than insulting me with head in the sand stuff.

Look its not like I got a thing for the kid. But this is very important. If an alcoholic I'm with you guys. But I have yet to see, hear, any leaks, proof that he is.

Maybe its my miss understanding of a fancy rehab facility that a prerequisite to get in is not MONEY LIKE I THOUGHT but they have to be a diagnosed Alcoholic or Addict to get in.

I might turn out that he is one and it will come out. But I cannot react to him as if he is one which would heighten his little partying that he does here and there.

If he is not an alcoholic he is not demeaning himself at all.

I also have stated I'm with Hue 100% that if he ditched the Browns to go to Las Vegas and party he is out of here.

So there isn't this
"Say it ain't so Johnny" relationship I have or something.

I get it. But what you guys obviously don't get is -

Where's the Beef? You can't just say he's and addict and then give that flimsy stuff as proof.

I see a father with no parenting skills. I see a kid that is stressed and does drink to relieve the stress...20 years down the road I would think he would be an Alcoholic you know like Joe Namath with the Suzie give me a kiss episode.

He might have a problem but I doubt he is diagnosed as an alcoholic. If you have proof that he is I would love to see it and if so then join the band wagon.

But the ASSumption that he is from stuff like that it raises the POSSIBILITY that it might be so. But Possibility and FACT are two different things.

Hopefully you understand. I'm not looking to attack anyone. I of course don't wish to throw the kid away. I'm sure the powers to be know the truth and its not for public knowledge.

The only thing I READ (doing your work for you cause you did so badly...lol )

Is the HS coach who stayed with him for a month or two after the rehab stint.

When he read/heard about Johnny having 2 beers he stated...That's not good at all He Can't do that.

Something to that effect. That was the ONLY TIME that I thought oh my gosh is he really an Alcoholic?

not the dad in an old article of him going to rehab...I'm in rich people territory (not me of course) they go into rehab all the time to clean up BEFORE THEY BECOME AN ALCOHOLIC or ADDICT.

jmho note I'm saying OPINION not like you guys SWEARING to all that your OPINION is fact on this.

This argument is borderline ridiculous. What the article proves is that Manziel has had an issue with drinking since at least the 10th grade. When your own father suggests he drinks to relieve stress, that's a problem. His entire job hinges on his ability to handle stress, stress in the pocket, stress of the criticism after a loss, stress of coming back from injury, etc..

If his father is willing to say that his way of coping with stress is drinking, then how can you argue that is NOT a big problem?

I have friends who jokingly say, "I'm not an alcoholic, alcoholics go to meetings"... you can have very serious alcohol related issues without being a diagnosed alcoholic... so whether he is or isn't, doesn't matter as much to me as the red flags that keep popping up and have for a long time.

well then it must be so... I'm just a ridiculous jerk... nuff said.

You guys win - MANZIEL IS A PROCEN ALCOHOLIC AND ADDICT...even without any Smoking gun. THE circumstantial evidence is too much who needs DNA and tests and all that other stuff.

My apologies for believing in our countries values and character (yes, I know its fleeting) Innocent until proven guilty does not stand and is considered RIDICULOUS.

Got it

I was brought up with these words.

Believe NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR OR READ and only half of what you see. regarding rumors.

You win... I will say no more. Its a sad day people can get the Villagers out there looking for a Lynching from Accusations being FACT.

Lovely, what a sad day this country has become.

Good Lord.. since you are white, you have a chance to win an Oscar for that bit of drama next year..

First, never said anything must be so or that you were a jerk...

Second, there are a lot of people in prison because a volume of circumstantial evidence is just as good as a smoking gun or DNA evidence.. always has been like that, always will be.

Believing in our countries values and character? Innocent until proven guilty? Nobody is suggesting we put him in jail, just wondering if we should trust the future of our football team to him... Ask any employer, they don't need a smoking gun to fire you, if they have enough circumstantial evidence that you aren't taking your job seriously, you are gone... this is an employment situation, not a legal situation.

I was brought up on these words: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.


NOOOO.. don't go. We don't want the truth because deep down in places we don't talk about at parties, we want you on that wall, we need you on that wall. You use words like honor, code, loyalty. You use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. We use them as a punchline. You have neither the time nor the inclination to explain yourself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very knowledge that you provide, and then questions the manner in which you provide it. You would rather I just said thank you, and went on my way....

I'm sure that JFF is the only NFL player or Brown's player that will ever be out at a club drinking in the off season... smh

Johnny's problem isn't that he is out having a good time, it's that he's Johnny. I don't see how anybody can fix that, the kid ALWAYS has a camera pointed at him regardless of what he is doing. Can you imagine being his age living under that microscope?

I personally don't think he has done anything to deserve all this hate from the fans. If he wants to drink when he is off who am I to care? His personal life is personal as far as I'm concerned.

j/c sorta.

I have a job. My job requires a certain level of professionalism, as well as the trust and respect of my customers.

I like to drink.

I don't go out and get drunk in public. Period. Not in the area I work, not most places to be honest. Restaurants, bars, the "party" we were just at Sat. night. I'll have a beer or 3, maybe even 5 if we're somewhere (that party - where I've done work for about 1/2 the people in attendance) for a long enough time.

At home, or at a good friends house, I might imbibe too much at times. No one sees me.

I'm small potatoes, I know. I'm nothing, just ask swish. But my job depends on not just the quality of work I do, but also on my reputation: my work reputation, and my personal/public life reputation.

Manziel could learn a lot.

I don't see Joe Thomas, or Joe Haden, or Schwartz, Craig Robinson........heck, anyone else on the team - going out and partying and videoing. Do the others drink and party? More than likely. Do they flaunt it? Doesn't appear so.

We used a valuable draft pick on him (yea, I know we probably would have blown it on somebody else any way) but regardless..

We used a first round pick on him and signed an $8.3 million contract with $4.3 million guaranteed.. or something like that.

Then he proceeded to take his first year off. He didn't study, he didn't work hard, he didn't prepare... all of this is fairly well documented.

If his biggest problem was that he went out once in a while for a drink... or that he was partying in College Station on the bye week, nobody would give a crap. But when you couple that with his 2014/15 salary and bonus that he basically stole from the Browns.. yea, it gets a little harder to take.

then after rehab and repeated internet postings and warnings by the Browns, he keeps on doing it. It's like he knows he's going to get photographed or videoed, he knows it's going on the internet, he knows the Browns and the fans are going to go nuts.. and he just continues to put himself in a position for it to happen.

I'm not totally down on the kid, but I'd be extremely nervous going into next season with him as the primary option.

As far as imagining being his age and living under that microscope... that microscope is his own creation... every year many high profile athletes are drafted out of major college programs to become integral to NFL teams.. I'm sure many of them were party guys on campus who tore it up and had a great time and were well recognized... they are very famous, they are all in their early 20s, they all become instantly rich... yet, most of them don't have this problem

So don't compare Manziel to me.. or to yourself.. or to a kid who joins the monastery... or the military.. or becomes a plumber... the only reasonable comparison is to his peers.. the other people who leave college, sign large contracts, become famous and enter the NFL... and within that group, can you say he is just acting like everybody else? Do people not want to snap a photo of Russell Wilson if they see him our? Or Teddy Bridgewater? Of course they do.. but those guys and many others keep the other stuff off the radar.. they aren't a big distraction to their team

Yes Tab, I believe that his own father realizing the problem JFF has had since back in high school holds a lot of merit. I believe that a young kid chose to lose a new car in order to continue to drink holds a lot of merit.

I believe you also know that HIPPA laws would strictly prohibit anyone from "being able to prove it".

You can ignore his father. You know, the man who raised him and his concern. You can ignore that this has been a continuing and increasing problem for years now. You have every right to do so.

But to pretend that doesn't build a strong case and provide a lot of credibility that JFF has a huge alcohol problem is pretty much you burying your head in the sand.

People should read the entire espn article. His dad, when they were out golfing, even admitted to being scared of his son.

Yes he did and it's a good read. I'm just not sure how anyone can look at all of the evidence and come away not feeling pretty confident that JFF has a major alcohol problem.

And I'm not a "hater" of JFF. I wish for his sake, the teams sake and us as fans sake, that he can overcome his issues and be a good QB for the Browns. But I'm also fully aware we have a new regime in town and I have my doubts they feel confident to move forward with JFF as the future of the franchise.

And as I read the article, it says if he could make it through his junior and senior year without drinking he could keep the car.. which means the deal was before his junior year.. which means the drinking problem was likely identified when he was a sophomore in HS.. that's 15 years old for those who don't remember the math...


I don't know his father.. but I have a 19 year old son.. and if he was famous, I can't imagine how bad it would have to be for me to lay him out to the media the way his dad did.. Your nature as a father is to protect your kids, protect their reputation, help them keep issues within the family, and get them help... To lay it all out there like that only leads me to believe that there is still probably stuff (maybe even the worst stuff) that he didn't reveal.. JMHO..


I agree, we can banter the notion of "proof" back and forth and throw around the word "alcoholic" all we want... The guy has had plenty of good reasons to keep the partying to a minimum multiple times in his life (a new car in HS, a starting gig in the NFL) and seems to have been perfectly willing to risk those things just so he could go hang out and get his drink on..

People always say, well what is the average 24 year old like... the average 24 year old isn't making $8 million with about a 15 year window to become a superstar.. the rest of us live in reality... I drank a lot, nobody cared... my livelihood didn't depend on it... I didn't have a team of highly successful millionaire men counting on me every day to show up prepared... I would like to think, at the age of 24, if somebody had offered me millions of dollars if only I could keep my partying to a minimum, I would have been able to do it.. like most of the other draft picks.

Keep kicking a man when he is down. Gutty.

two peas in the same pod...

I defend you when people pick on you, but why the hell are you picking on 32? He hasn't said squat about JM recently. Leave him alone.

Eo, I know you don't need my help...but I think we know what you are saying. And I think most would agree with it. I think Pet really mis-handled JM after the first year. I think if Pet tells him to stay out of trouble and have fun, instead of laying down all these ground rules, then this would not be an issue. He knew JM would not listen to not partying and going to clubs, therefore that's what was listed as not to do. And the media ate it up. I think JM's first year was messed up because of drinking, but I think his 2nd yr. was mostly because of attitude, which, IMO, was caused by Pet. laying down the law to behave like he knew he wouldn't.
The more Pet demanded he act like a choir boy, the more Johnny felt like he had to act out in protest. Right or wrong, I think Pet caused this whole mess. Like I said if he just told him to stay out of trouble and have fun, this stuff would have never happened.

Anyway, that's not what I wanted to say

I think People see him as an out of control kid who's actions are going to get him hurt or in trouble, doesn't really matter if it's booze or not. Don't really need proof to see whats going on in his world.

One thing I find interesting....After the Seahawks game, Sherman said he made a point to find JM and tell him
Not To Let Anyone Change Who He Is. At the time I thought that was an odd thing to say. After all Everyone can see he's a young man on a dangerous path, unless there was a darker meaning, like we know your bent on destroying yourself, so don't let anyone stop you.

past transgressions lmao... i think he will live...

Actually, nobody is kicking him when he's down. It's simply a matter of looking at and recognizing that he has an issue with alcohol. I'm sure that DC would agree with me that the hope is he will overcome it and be the best QB and man that he can be.

You see, Tab seems to be in denial that he even has a problem and wanted evidence. Reporting the facts about a situation isn't "kicking a man when he's down". It's looking at the reality of a given situation.

We didn't create the situation and the things being discussed came from his own fathers mouth and is fact based only.

Actually.......how many times can you talk about the same infractions before enough is enough. You kicked his butt. Do you have to keep kicking him?

Think about this, Pit.............who was harder on Farmer than me? I ripped him all the time, but man, the guy got fired and has taken his fair share of abuse. Do you see me gloating over the fact that he has fallen so far? Do you see me kicking him when he is down?

Enough is enough!!!

Haslam is a freaking crook. He has changed his story/or lied---depending on your viewpoint numerous times. The team has failed under his leadership. I pointed out his transgressions and the mob mocks me and ignores his practices. Yet, JM continually gets beat up for stories that are old and for some that are only rumors.

Jesus.............leave the guy alone!

My debate with Tab was to point out the pattern to show JFF has an alcohol problem. If you don't care for that, maybe you should get Tab to quit questioning it.

<<sigh>>

Hue Jackson, Johnny Manziel in no rush to talk


By Jason Garcia
Jan 28, 2016 at 11:05a ET

Conventional wisdom suggests that when a new head coach is hired in the NFL, one of the first players to seek out for a conversation would be the quarterback. Two weeks into Hue Jackson's tenure in Cleveland, and he still hasn't established contact with Johnny Manziel.

Jackson said Wednesday at the Senior Bowl that Manziel wasn't in the "first batch of guys" that he has talked to, but the 2014 first-round pick is "definitely" on his list, per Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com. Left tackle Joe Thomas and soon-to-be free agent safety Tashuan Gipson are among those that Jackson has spoken to.

"I'm kind of really picking guys. Some I know on this team that I've been involved with at other places. Some I don't know and want to get to know. There's no rhyme or reason why I haven't talked to him, but it's just the process I'm in right now. I'm just kind of picking the guys as I go."

Jackson also expressed his appreciation for the guys that have sent him welcome text messages, one of whom was not Manziel, according to Cabot. More video has emerged recently of Manziel hitting the party circuit in Dallas. Jackson had previously expressed that Manziel's reported trip to Las Vegas the day before the regular season finale would be a "non-starter" with him.

Does all this mean that Jackson doesn't see Manziel as part ot the team's future? It may seem like the writing is on the wall, but Jackson is playing his cards close to his vest. While Manziel is out having fun not reaching out to his new coach, Jackson will be scouting quarterbacks like North Dakota State's Carson Wentz at the Senior Bowl to see if he's worthy of the Browns' second overall pick.

"I don't want to direct everything at Johnny. I don't think that's the right thing to do. One of my philosophies for our organization is talent is important -- but character and being a good person and doing the things that we want done as a Cleveland is very important.

"Johnny has ability. I think he can play quarterback in the National Football League. It's obvious. He's played. He's made some dynamic plays and he has talent. But we all know everything has to be right to play this position. It's not just that. Everything you think about being a quarterback in the NFL league, part of an organization, the face of an organization's got to fit right for me."

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleveland-browns-johnny-manziel-hue-jackson-yet-to-speak-012816

probably can't find him....

To piggyback, DC, I think Mike Polk Jr nails this one.....

Thanks Vers. I was going to respond but then I considered the source...

They all talk a good game. I watched Hue's pressure after his final game with the raiders which they lost and missed the playoffs. You can tell the guy HATES to lose. I wouldn't put it past him to look the other way on a player if he is getting it done on the field.

Haslam on whether the team's relationship with quarterback Johnny Manziel can be mended:

"Oh, yeah, I don't think there's any question about that. We talked to Johnny before he left. I know a big deal was made that Hue hasn't called Johnny yet. Well, we've got 53 players on the active and 10 more and there were a couple of other real prominent players that he just talked to in the last day or two, so I'm sure he'll get around to talking to him.

"I think we made clear, I don't have any different feelings than we had on Sunday January 3rd. I think Johnny made progress on the field last year. I think that's undeniable. We have a certain expectation for our players and that includes Johnny and he's got to live up to those expectations."

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Maybe it's just me, but when I read this article title I get the impression that JFF is in no rush to talk. The article does not back that up. Coach is the one not rushing it.

Not saying JFF is in a hurry to meet him, either, but we don't know.

I have no doubt that is true. However, to use JM's first season as your baseline, is probably not the way to go...

I'd say that titles are assigned to tease a reader, to pull them into reading - they are not necessarily chosen to actually convey any specific truth. If you're trying to take something away from it, don't. It's simply meant to let the reader's mind wander to get them curious enough to read.

Yep...I'm not allowed to dramatize my opinion being withdrawn. But those who are claiming Fact are allowed to MAKE UP CRAP...yep yep its me.

Enough - lets get rid of the alcoholic and drug addict who cares if we lose a #22 pick with no return. Lets make decisions on ASSumptions. Of course I'm sure the ones who do make the decisions know the truth. Which could be alcoholic or could be just preventing a course to be one?

But I am ridiculous...yep yep for wanting to actually know the truth before condemning somebody.

Oscars...I think that is hogwash. How bout the exclusion of Sniper in almost all nominations due to the liberal factor of the Oscar committee. But yeah they are racist. It just was not a good year for black actors I guess.

jmho - so come on when are we cutting Manziel - if he is who you all are claiming as fact...the sooner the better.

Yep you and others are much wiser than me. What is the hold up on cutting this alcoholic drug addict... if it truly is fact like you claim...get rid of him.

Cut Manziel NOW

No doubt, purp. It's too bad, as there are times where I only read the title as I may be in a hurry. Wonder how many times I got the wrong impression of something.

What difference does it make if he's been clinically diagnosed as an alcoholic, or if he is just a party-boy fool? Either way, he's not flying straight as an NFL QB should. Handed the starters job during the bye, flies to Texas and parties instead of staying in Cleveland and prepping like a madman.... which was more disconcerting because of his previous issues.

Never suggested he was without demerits...even though that is how others portray me as.

When he was demoted for that bye week partying and lying, I defended Pet from the masses who wanted JM to start.

What does it matter...are you Hillary?

Diagnosed Alcoholic has total different meanings to him having a beer in hand at a social. Drunken girlfriend in a drunken fit creates a disturbance so that Manziel pulls over the side of the road and showed NO SIGNS of alcohol but did state earlier he had 2 beers at a BBQ.

Alcoholic those are signs of slipping back into his path of drinking.

I never said he didn't have a problem. He had a problem alcoholic or not of getting caught up in the big social gatherings (parties) where it took priority over his football and effected his training and execution.

THE BIG DIFFERENCE is that if he is a diagnosed alcoholic. He is far from the road of recovery.

If not...his improvement from last year to this was like from Night to Day. And he has to do better. But seems to be on the right track.

And the end of the year stint...Hue finds out he ditched the Browns for Las Vegas...he is dirt to him and I agree with that. Doesn't mean he goes or not but he would have to do a lot to gain his trust back.

But what am I talking about. Its been PROVEN as FACT that he is an Alcoholic...cause of an article written on action that happened before he became a Brown and because he did put himself in a rehab facility....DONE DEAL that makes him an Alcoholic from the Wise ones who know much better than me.

Cut his foolish drunken ass. What are we waiting for.

JOthersOpinions but I'm ridiculous for trying to deny the FACT

Browns owner Haslam not ready to talk about potential split with Manziel


January 28, 2016
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CLEVELAND — Several signs point to the Browns dumping troubled quarterback Johnny Manziel at some point this offseason, but owner Jimmy Haslam isn’t quite ready to talk about a separation.

Breaking up is hard to do, and Haslam said he thinks the relationship can still be salvaged.

However, he acknowledged how disappointing it would be to discard someone the Browns had such high hopes for they traded up four spots to draft him 22nd overall in 2014.

“One of the reasons the Browns are in the condition they are is they’ve not drafted well,” Haslam said Thursday night during the Greater Cleveland Sports Awards. “Our predecessors didn’t draft well, and we didn’t draft well. Anytime a No. 1 draft pick or any high draft pick is not successful and is not a big contributor, that’s disappointing to the organization.”

Haslam was asked whether he believes a change of scenery for Manziel would be best for the Browns and the former Heisman Trophy winner.

He responded by saying it’s a question for executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown and coach Hue Jackson.

“They’ll make all those calls personnel-wise, including quarterbacks,” Haslam said backstage at the Renaissance Cleveland Hotel. “So I think that’s a question for them, probably for another day.”

Veteran quarterback Josh McCown encountered the same question.

“It’s hard for me to comment on that,” he said. “I want what’s best for him, and he’s a member of our team. So it’s what can we do for him to help him be the best member of the Cleveland Browns that he can in whatever role that is? So that’s what I’m for.”

Shortly after the Browns hired Jackson on Jan. 13, he did a series of radio interviews in which he repeatedly spoke as if the team would move on from Manziel and mentioned the possibility of drafting a quarterback second or 32nd overall in late April.

Jackson met with North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz, a projected first-round selection, this week at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. Wentz said the rendezvous went well.

Jackson also revealed Wednesday during interviews with Cleveland.com and 92.3 The Fan at Senior Bowl practices that he hasn’t talked to Manziel since he became coach of the Browns more than two weeks ago. McCown said he hasn’t talked to Jackson, but they have a meeting scheduled.

Regardless, Haslam said he believes the team’s relationship with Manziel can be repaired.

“Oh, yeah, I don’t think there’s any question about that,” Haslam said. “We talked to Johnny before he left (for the offseason). I know a big deal was made that Hue hasn’t called Johnny yet. Well, we’ve got 53 players on the active (roster) and 10 more, and there were a couple of other real prominent players that he just talked to in the last day or two. So I’m sure he’ll get around to talking to him.”

But Jackson said recently a quarterback must “represent the organization well” and “carry the flag for us.” He wants “a guy that can help elevate this football team, not anybody that’s going to tear it down.”

He also made it clear if Manziel fled to Las Vegas the weekend of the Jan. 3 season finale while he was in concussion protocol it “would be a nonstarter with me.”

Meanwhile, Manziel’s off-field behavior has continued to raise eyebrows, especially because he spent more than 10 weeks last year in an inpatient rehabilitation facility specializing in alcohol and drug addiction treatment.

BustedCoverage.com recently published videos and photographs of Manziel, 23, partying Sunday at a bar in Dallas. One photo shows him drinking what appears to be a shot of alcohol.

Is Haslam concerned?

“I think Johnny made progress on the field last year. I think that’s undeniable,” he replied. “We have a certain expectation for our players and that includes Johnny, and he’s got to live up to those expectations.”

McCown said he has exchanged text messages with Manziel this offseason but wants to keep those conversations private.

Has he told Manziel it would be wise to make a good impression on Jackson and the rest of the new coaching staff?

“You ought to work hard no matter who the coach is and be on your best behavior no matter who the coach is,” McCown said. “So that’s my expectation.

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From what I know, what has been proven as fact is that Manziel has a problem with alcohol that is either at (or close to) some level of dependency.. and he has a history of choosing alcohol and partying over making better choices that benefit him and his team and his future.

has he crossed the line to alcoholic? I don't know.

For me it doesn't matter, and I'll tell you why it doesn't matter.. because it's not as simple as, if he's an alcoholic that is still drinking then he's out of here and if he's not an alcoholic then he can stay.

He has shown that partying with his friends is as important or more important than becoming the best QB he can be.. and that's scary when you think about giving him the keys for a couple years and passing on other potentially very good and more stable options...

In the end, Hue is going to have to develop a feeling of comfort with the kid in order to keep him... I would imagine that Manziel can be very persuasive in a meeting when he wants to be... I do not envy Hue having to make this decision (assuming Hue actually gets to make the decision).. because his entire career could hang on this decision.. which is why it wouldn't surprise me if he cut ties with Manziel and chose the safer road of taking his own guy...

Difference at least to me.

the little things.
He has a picture of him with a BEER in hand. TO me none alcoholic...are you kidding me - SO WHAT.

A video of him with a rapper and him rapping also I believe with a beer in hand. Again SO WHAT.

With a can of some Alcohol drink...so what.

I'm talking all the stuff after the transformation of last off season. No Hosting Vegas Parties with Swans, with the Gronk.

Disturbance thing with the car. Good sense to stop off the road as it turned out the gf was wasted and the aggressor Manziel did admit he had 2 beers earlier that day.

all heck broke loose...I'm like HUH? what did he do wrong.

Meanwhile two things the Bye week - I thought was terrible what he did. not so much drinking. But because he was to come (according to him) back Saturday night and get a full day of film Sunday before the team got back on track Monday. Instead he couldn't get out of the MOMENT and end his partying right there as Planned. Instead he was easily convinced to attend a private party on Saturday which had him come home on Sunday and was there on Monday without his full day of private film on Sunday getting him ready for his FIRST Anointing as starter.

The the lie...demoted for two games. I did not excuse him for that I was one who was agreeing with the actions of Pet to demote him!

Then the last game with the concussion protocol missed session. If it turns out he ditched the Browns to party in Vegas...as Hue said he's no starter for him. I have agreed with that action also.

So to me for all that in between stuff is a SO WHAT for me UNLESS he is a diagnosed Alcoholic then he has to be clean as in Seltzer water.

jmho

So it's a question for Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown?..and just like that Haslam has the cover he wanted so it would not appear like he was meddling owner.

When Haslam hired Hue Jackson, he said that Hue would report directly to him. If the boss wants Manziel to get another shot, not much Hue can do about it.

Sashi Brown is not going to override his bosses wishes. If Haslam tells Sashi he wants Manziel to get another shot, Sashi will support that opinion in public and for public consumption, it will appear that Sashi, Hue and the rest of the front office are united.

With all the "big brains" the Browns have hired in the front office, who would doubt their decision to give Manziel another shot?...it's got to be a "smart move", right?

Mac, Hue would not have signed on for the Browns job if he was not assured from ownership and the FO he would be able to bring in his own QB.

Hue is not going to hitch his wagon to Manziel.

Anything you're hearing now about the Browns and Manziel is the Browns simply trying to create a market for him to get a trade.

Manziel will not be with Browns this year.

Eo.. I agree with you. To me those are not, by themselves, a big deal... but the Browns seemed to be concerned about them. Which begs the questions, what conversations was he having with the team? What deals had he made with the team with respect to his drinking?

At one point Manziel tweeted out "I don't have a drinking problem, the Browns have a problem with me drinking"... ok. If your employer (who is paying you millions of dollars) says they want you to lay off of it and let things calm down and prove your commitment to the team, then you do it. It's not an unreasonable request. And if you agreed to those conditions, then live up to your commitment.

This line of thinking inspired my other post that if the Browns keep Manziel, they have to clear the air on what he is, and is not, allowed to do. As fans we have no real right to know but we are going to want to know.. is he allowed to drink or not? When the next video of him comes out should we be worried? Is he violating some agreement he has with the team? If they tell me that he's working hard and honoring his commitment to the team, then if a video appears of him having some drinks at Mardi Gras, then I won't worry about it... but without knowing the expectations, as a fan, I just want to have some confidence that our QB is actually going to be on the field and ready to play.

This guy sums up my take...

Kevin O'Brien, deputy editorial page editor, The Plain Dealer:

Plenty of rogues have done well in sports, but they did so in an era before saturation media, the ubiquity of phones that record video, the sale of people's personal lives to reality TV and an errant assumption that the private actions and public pronouncements of athletes and entertainers should be taken seriously. Because Manziel was born 20 years too late, he may have to choose between being a knucklehead and playing pro football. For him and the game, that would be unfortunate.

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As I have stated before, and will state again.. he can be a knucklehead, he just has to prove he can play football FIRST!!!!

If you are winning and performing at a high level, having a BIG personality is fun and exciting... if you are losing and not playing well, having a BIG personality is annoying and appears selfish..

Sorry, I didn't make up those rules.. but those are the rules.

I completely don't get the Hillary reference.

I wasn't attacking you, so don't get your panties in a bunch. Was merely debating.

I don't wear panties. but thanks for the insult.

I was discussing...Just where in that quote and post to you do I go in some uproar...I'm explaining my thought process and what I fee.

Hillary a joke I guess.

What does it matter...in her Bengazi regarding her cross examination and her getting it wrong about the tape inciting a riot and her rebuking that it was a terrorist act. That was her response - "What does it matter" maybe the words that will keep her out of the white house to become the commander in chief.

jmho

I would just like to see him start ONE season (every game) with real talent surrounding him and quality coaching. If he stinks it up then ship him for a ham sandwich, until then don't let him have his way and go to Texas.

Yes, times have changed. For the better in some aspects; not so in others. The days of the "character" (ala Babe Ruth, Joe Namath, etc) are quickly slipping away, to be replaced by high strung, PR-types, born with a silver spoon in their mouths. OK, that's a gross over-simplification, but you get my drift...

Because their antics used to be the rumors of legends, passed around in bars among friends who "heard from a guy".. now there are photos and videos of every thing..


Yea, I don't think too many professional athletes are born with the silver spoon... fact is that image is everything now and the money to be made off the field at the highest level is just too great... you have to play the role. Not everybody has to be a choir boy, there is room for the "bad boy" but even that image still has to be managed and crafted.

Sending him to Texas, to party it up, with his crazy girlfriend, every night, would be us pressing the metaphorical 'big red button' on his career.

Pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick.

Good God!

HIPPA laws won't let us know if he was diagnosed at all.

So the next best thing is to figure out if he has a problem.

If the guy signing his checks has a problem and he still doesn't adapt, he has a problem.

Everyone says that he went into rehab voluntarily, but we can't even be certain of that right now. It is what they say it is. Considering the way the season ended, he could have been told to volunteer. This season ended pretty close to the same way as last.

His attitude seems to be "Johnny is going to be Johnny and you are going to have to deal with it." I've heard that here. I heard that from his friends. I've heard that from his parents.

My answer is no, somebody else is going to have to deal with it. I don't care what we get or where he goes, I just don't want to have to deal with it next year.

I don't care what he could have been, all I care about is what I had to put up with and not having to put up with it again next year.

Just wondering...........do you care that Gordon is a druggie, a liar, and lazy? Do you care that Haslam is a crook and a liar? Do you care that Haden has been suspended by the NFL and missed most of the season, yet was healthy enough to play basketball? Do you care that Gilber would rather sleep than study? That he isn't sure if he wants to compete to win a starting job or not?

Just wondering.......

Yep, I wanted the Browns to pull the trigger on the trade they had on the table for him.

I'd be happy if they could get another one together and could throw in Gilbert as a bonus.

Can we trade The Haslams?

I should add I do understand why others want to keep Gordon and get rid off Johnny.

At least Gordon gave them something for their troubles.

I prefer players that make sacrifices for their team over players teams have to make sacrifices for though.

The Titans might be an option for that one.

Gilbert seems like a total wastoid, Haden has really cratered on and off the field and Gordon is poised to return again and break our hearts again. No doubt.
Johnny improved a ton this year, and put in a tremendous amount of work. Despite his troubles, he worked harder and engaged more than any of the others. I really want to root for the guy.
BUT, is it not fair to hold a QB to a higher standard? The big knock on Connor Cook right now is that he was not a captain of Michigan State. No one holds it against a safety or tight end that they aren't leaders or respected by their teammates. Everyone has to believe in the QB. It is different. If I knew Johnny would improve as much this off-season as he did last, I'd be all in on Joey Bosa. But man, he's probably sleeping off a hangover as a write.

That is a fair post.

Oh yeah, the Babe Ruth and Joe Namath days are far behind us.

The money to be made via endorsments can dwarf what a player can make in salary.

But in this "PC" world we live in, sponsors don't pay for players that embarrass them. Or they dump them when something happens. (Think Mike Vick)

But what's just as telling is when your PR/marketing firm cuts ties with you.

When a PR firm can't spin you out of a mess you got yourself into, that spells trouble for your career.

Johnny is young enough to perhaps overcome things. Let's see if he can. I hope he does. But I have my doubts. He's shown us nothing but contempt for authority.

He's a Spoiled Brat.

J/C...


And here we go again......


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Jerry Jones should like this!

Fortunately Greg hardy was there to calm down the situation.

Oh no, poor Bae!

Not quite fair to jump to the Greg Hardy comparison.

It's probabaly a good time for him to break up with her. They are dysfunctional.

I've been trying to support Johnny through the last few months.. Johnny's problems are like many.. not all, but I do have my own experiences with friends that are blinded by Love.

Johnny needs to make some serious choices, soon ! Since there are no actual reports out yet on the situation, I'm not going to speculate.

In the case of my good friend, I do not pass judgement on who he is as a person, But I, along with others do voice that his relationship is not one for the best of his interests.

When he leaves the relationship he is functional as what we would consider an ideal friend and person. With much happiness we see him become the person we all grew to care about.

Unfortunately he seems to always go back and become the not so ideal friend.To us we see him differently and unhappy. Yet he insists and claims his happiness is when he is with her. This is a vise versa role as many women are better off with someone else.

Johnny and only Johnny has to figure this out, and unfortunate for Johnny, his choice to become an NFL QB has created an even larger base of people who see his choices.

Johnny, and assuming it was Colleen have to get some kind of help.. Someone of importance has to intervene, Whether that person can be successful to help the situation,we can only hope.

It's time for Johnny to man up to his situation, get it under control and get it figured out. Seek help in what ever areas of need be... These types of situations are all to common.

You chose the spotlight Johnny, your in it.. step back and look at it..do you honestly like what you see ?

Dude needs to dump his woman... Obviously they are toxic together

I'm not saying it was her fault... Just that together they have significant issues.... Hope they both get help

I just wonder if it was Mary Kay Cabot that called the cops. lol I heard lots of yelling and thinks breaking with my ear pressed to the keyhole lol

j/c...

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Asked #NFL spokesman if league will investigate Manziel/gf altercation under personal conduct policy: "Yes. We are aware & looking into it."

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Dont have to be guilty to get suspended, just have to bring unwanted attention and negative publicity. He needs a sit down with the commish either way. someone needs to put a foot in his ass.

Apologies for the report image being a little chopped up.

Reading the report.. I take it Johnny called, she was being uncooperative and called him ex boyfriend..

Run Johnny Run, while you have the chance and stay the hell away from her...

Johnny Manziel: the drama just comes with the scenery.

we're taking Goff at #2

Wait, really? You think Johnny called and then ran away? The FWPD sent the chopper out to look for him!

Looks like it was a 3rd party that made the call.

It doesn't really matter anymore anyway. His time with the Browns is over anyway, he'll be someone else's problem before too long.

I'm pretty sure he's doing whatever he can so that we cut him. So that he can decide where he goes next.

Everyone assume Dallas. And that might be true.

But if he wasn't do I a new thing wrong every week, then theres an argument to keep him.

He doesnt want to be here. So hes going to screw off until we drop him.

Hell, if no one is going to give us anything for him, id just bury him on the depth chart, never make him an active player. And let him rot away. I assume we cant sue him, because "being a dumbass" isnt a legal term.. so id just let him rot for the rest of his rookie deal.

If he doesn't want to play here, I'd trade him to another cold place with nasty fans. Maybe Buffalo or Philly.

Pittsburgh ?

We should just give him more time, he'll eventually figure it out.

I'd just read that report before coming here. My first impressions are that I don't know how much of the issue there is him, but what I do know is that it doesn't matter what she looks like, she's totally at the wrong end of the spectrum on the Hot/Crazy Matrix.

Yes I do, and they found him safe and in no danger, he was away from her... lol

What other NFL team has to deal with this kind of nonsense from one of their QBs, over and over again?

I will go ahead and answer that... none.

If I cant trade him, or suspend him, id just have him go see the team doctor.. Oh your elbows sore? Boom, IR for the season.

Any one got a picture of her?

http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/10/20/john...mestic-dispute/

Bae and Bae holding Johnny's dog hostage.....

never thought i'd see the day where i read 'bae' on a browns forum

Next up, vids posted of Browns Backers clubs rapping March Madness in unison.

Hey man, hasn't anyone told you that it's not cool to get people's hopes up?

At least she is an ex, so she should go away.

Classic advice: "Never date anybody who is crazier than you are." Well, if he is following that, the reports make her at least 'crazy-ish' apparently; but that yardstick places him in a scary position.

Did Manti's girlfriend have a sister we can hook him up with, because this is way too much way too often. Just cut her out of the Browns. Maybe we could seek a restraining order or sumpin . . . .

I'd say about 5 to 10 years from now, give or take:

Las Vegas Raiders. He is already there so he can make the meetings and keep his appointments. I wonder if another team would have put up with the nonsense and blackeyes he has brought with him.

Stripper-sense tingling ... must resist ... danger, DANGER!

She needs a bigger rack than that.

Easily remedied with a few thousand bucks.

Maybe that's what Johnny and her were arguing about.

Lemme stop.

Thanks. Nice looking gal. But Cats and dogs

From the report he assaulted her and then someone(perhaps him) called the cops. The "complainant" was uncooperative. So she was the one that was assaulted. Johnny woman beater strikes again.... He's too small to hit men so he takes it out on his woman....

Yeah, I like em big myself, but no fakes for me, gotta be real

Yeah, it's all HER fault! Couldn't be Johnny. He's an angel and the greatest QB to ever play the game. *snicker*

God some of you are in love with Johnny. He can do no wrong. If he killed ten people while DUI you'd blame them for the accident...

Pittsburgh would be a perfect place for him. He'd fit right in with tiny the sexual predator and Vick the dog torturer. Add in Johnny the woman beater and you've got quite a QB stable lmao

Misogynistic much?

Just a guy.

If this is the same girlfriend as he had before, then she is bat crap crazy. Mix that with his temper, and bad things are going to happen.

I am just thankful she is an ex, so she should go away.

It's the PoPos fault.

It was Mary Kay, i still say she is the one that called the cops lol

J/C .....

It is obvious that this kid needs serious help. There are too many of these incidents .... nothing major, or life threatening, but the sheer volume of incidents is extremely concerning.

I wonder if alcohol was involved with this latest incident? I keep going back to Manziel's coach/friend who lived with him when he got out of rehab. and who was very concerned about reports of Manziel drinking, saying that he didn't think that it was a good idea for Johnny to be drinking. Now, I suspect that he knows better than any of us what happened with Manziel, and what he was in rehab for, and if he was concerned then, he has to be desperately scared for the kid now.

Screw football, I just hope the kid doesn't wind up being an ESPN special a few years from now, with a life that spirals into tragedy.

Is there another report where he admitted to assaulting her ? Or are you reading the one that is posted on the previous page ?

I read disturbance.. Did you see something I missed ?

One thing that really kind of grinds me is how people here constantly refer to a 23 year old as a "kid". There's 19 year olds walking patrol outside the wire in Afghanistan. If they're man enough to serve their country in a very dangerous setting, I don't want to read any reference to Manziel as a "kid". He's a grown-ass man who doesn't want to grow up. Sorry, but that just annoys the bleep out of me.

She needs to use a smaller Sharpie on those eyebrows, too..... Abe Vigoda didn't die, he was killed so she could take his eyebrows.

LMAO!

Anyone who is less than 1/2 my age is a kid to me.

It's a sliding scale.

JFYI, definition of kid....a child or young person. Johnny Manziel is a 23 yr old adult drunk. He isn't a kid, he is a troubled millionaire who should be released because he wanted out of Cleveland....AND he may have highlighted himself out of ANY NFL job....would ANY professional organization other than sports "stars" keep this guy employed....AND we knew he had problems when we drafted him....hope the "new anal..y guys" consider character this draft.....GO Browns!!!!!

Maybe he's mentally ill...

Back to the topic at hand, evidently he is being investigated for possible assault.

Texas police search for Johnny Manziel with helicopter, investigating him for possible assault of ex-girlfriend | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/texas_police_search_for_johnny.html#incart_2box

CLEVELAND, Ohio --- Texas police searched for Johnny Manziel with a helicopter early Saturday morning and are investigating allegations that he assaulted his ex-girlfriend.

According to a statement by the Forth Worth police, they used their Air One Unit helicopter to try to find Manziel because the female -- who told police Manziel was her ex-boyfriend -- was worried about his well-being.

They tried several of his cell phone numbers and checked locations around the Forth Worth area, but couldn't find him. It was later determined that he was safe and in no danger.

But police in Fort Worth and Dallas are still working together to determine if Manziel assaulted the female. Dallas police said in a statement that they're in the preliminary stages of the investigation and that they'll have no further information at this time.

"When additional information becomes available it will be released as appropriate,'' they said.

It's the second time Manziel is being investigated for possible domestic violence. The first time was Oct. 13 when he was involved with an argument on Interstate 90 with his then-girlfriend Colleen Crowley, which then spilled over to the side of the road in Avon, Ohio. Crowley told police that Manziel beat her and shoved her head into the glass of the car, but later said he didn't hurt her.

Neither Manziel nor Crowley, who was drunk at the time of the questioning, were arrested for the incident. Manziel was also later cleared by the NFL of harming Crowley.

In this instance, Fort Worth police were called to The Berkeley Apartments near Texas Christian University -- where Crowley is a student -- regarding a report of a possible assault. They didn't locate the caller, but came across a 23-year-old woman who said she been involved in a disturbance with her ex-boyfriend earlier that night in Dallas and possibly other locations.

Police found the female to be uncooperative, and therefore couldn't determine where the incident took place. They notified the Dallas police of a possible disturbance in that area.

The woman then told police she was worried about Manziel's well-being, and they launched the search for him, breaking out the helicopter when they couldn't reach him by phone or by land. After determining that Manziel was safe, they began collaborating with the Dallas police on whether or not he had assaulted the female.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told cleveland.com of the incident "we are aware and looking into it.''

The Browns and Manziel's publicist Denise Michaels declined comment. Manziel's agent, Erik Burkhardt, did not return a text seeking comment.

Last year at this time, Manziel checked himself into an addiction treatment center, where he remained for 73 days for an unspecified issue. Since his release in April, he's frequently turned up on social media with bottles of alcohol in hand.

Sources have told cleveland.com that they've been extremely worried about Manziel's behavior for months.

This latest incident also comes two months after Manziel was cleared by the NFL of harming Crowley during the Oct. 13 incident.

The league -- which conducts its own investigations into possible domestic violence cases regardless of whether or not one of its own has been arrested -- brought in its heavy hitter, investigator Lisa Friel, to interview Manziel Oct. 28 at the Browns' facility in Berea. He was represented by NFLPA attorney Heather McPhee, who helped overturn Ray Rice's indefinite ban by the NFL for his domestic incident.

The NFL also interviewed Crowley and the Avon Police before deciding not to suspend him.

"Based on the information gathered, we have concluded that there is an insufficient basis on which to take disciplinary action,'' the NFL said in a statement. "In all cases of this nature, our concern under the Personal Conduct Policy goes well beyond the issue of discipline, and we have made comprehensive professional resources available on a confidential basis.''

Upon being cleared -- the same day he was named the starter for the final six games of the season -- Manziel issued a statement saying that league's decision should put to rest any thoughts that he had hurt Crowley.

"I appreciate the NFL's diligence and discretion in reviewing a situation that was both personal and embarrassing,'' Manziel said. "Colleen and I cooperated fully with the NFL's process and completely support their goals of making sure that every family under their umbrella is safer and more secure.

"I'm grateful that the review was so thorough and fair that there should be no question left in the public mind about what actually happened.''

He also vowed shortly thereafter that he would no longer generate negative headlines -- especially over the bye week in late November.

Related: Manziel vows not to be an embarrassment anymore

"I let (coach Mike Pettine) know that I'm not going to do anything that's going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization,'' he said. "I'm going to get a chance to go and relax like everybody else in this locker room is. I don't think they're going to have to worry about me this week."

However, the Crowley incident kicked off a string of transgressions that has the club seriously contemplating parting with him as soon as possible.

Manziel can be waived Feb. 8 and traded March 9 at 4 p.m.

Over the bye week, Manziel partied night after night and then lied to the coaches about it. As a result, he lost his starting job and was initially demoted to third string.
He ultimately got his job back for the final four games of the season, but continued to be photographed and videotaped out partying.

Finally, the Wednesday before the season finale, he came to Berea complaining of concussion symptoms and was ruled out of the season-ending loss to Pittsburgh on Thursday with a concussion. But that didn't stop him from going to Las Vegas the Saturday before the game, where USA TODAY Sports reported that he wore a blond wig and fake mustache to disguise himself. He also introduced himself as Billy.

Manziel missed his concussion treatment the day of the season finale and was fined by the Browns. When he showed up the next day, the Browns gave him the cold shoulder, league sources said. That day, Jimmy Haslam and Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown addressed the team about Pettine's firing. They didn't have the time -- or the desire -- to deal with Manziel.

Sources told cleveland.com shortly after Hue Jackson was hired that he would not want to move forward with Manziel as his starting quarterback. Jackson also said during a radio interview that Manziel going to Vegas for the season-finale would say 'non-starter' to him.

This week at the Senior Bowl, Brown told cleveland.com that Manziel "has a chance'' to be with the team next year but that he needs to demonstrate that football is the most important thing in his life.

Sashi Brown: Manziel must show that football is most important in his life

Sources told cleveland.com that Manziel was "a train wreck'' as the season wore on.
Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said Thursday night at the Greater Cleveland Sports Awards that the relationship could be repaired.

That was, of course, before this latest incident involving the troubled quarterback.

It's kind of scary...... cleveland.com always has links to similar stories at the bottom of their articles.

The linked articles, all local Cleveland area stories, are the following:

"Akron woman accused of shooting boyfriend to death"

"Akron woman sentenced to 3 years in prison for giving fatal heroin dose to Norton man"

and:

"Akron man accused of robbing Copley Burger King arrested with baby"

Man is this world screwed up.

Of course there is another incident like this. There will be more, I have a feeling, especially since it is the offseason. It's just who he is and what he brings. I mean we haven't even had the super bowl yet. But I can't believe he is still discussed really. Let him figure it out for himself. If he wants to ruin his own career so be it. It seems painfully obvious to me he is only on the team still so they can possibly trade him for a late round pick as soon as they can. I'm sure Jimmy saying the Browns aren't ready to move on is just a way to try and make Dallas actually trade for him instead of wait for him to be released. There's no way Hue Jackson is going to keep Manziel around... I don't hate Manziel but I don't want him on the Browns anymore. Pissed away 2 years of football already.

I read that the preliminary investigation showed evidence that an assault most likely occurred despite the witness being uncooperative.

Don't see his name anywhere on there though, so you got that.