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Yet, you buy into all the bullcrap rumors surrounding Johnny and you act like the same story being regurgitated 1,000 times is new news and yet another reason to kick him out of town.

That's smart.

Seems the same way Johnny is vilified, by some nobody media member suggesting what they think may be true and running with it.

Nowhere in the article did he mention that JH and others interviewed potential VP of Player Personnel hires and then he left after that.

No sense in reporting any facts to go along with the unsubstantiated speculation he wishes to promote.

Problem is mac, he's not using the link to back up his comments, he's simply repeating the other guy's reporting and then has to include a link since he's repeating the other guy.

Actual journalism is near dead or at least morphing into something else..

Every article you read on-line, you get a few paragraphs in and rather than insert a quote into the article, they insert an image of the tweet the guy sent.... then after reading a bit you realize that the article isn't actually about the event, it's just a bunch of tweets by other people regarding the event... bugs the crap out of me.

Me too.

The problem is everybody has so much access to the internet. Not only to read but with the freedom to write as well. No one writing on the internet has to have any sort of credentials. It's a free-for-all.

At least back in the newspaper days one had to be a journalist of some credibility to get into print. Even then there were some who were full of crap, but the numbers were lower. Now, they number in the tens of thousands or more.

I didn't shoot you. I didn't even put you down.

Simply saying the BR is a fan driven site. You are big in to sources Mac. I'd drop that on from the list. It's kind of like listing the National Enquirer on a level with the Washington Post or NY Times.


I get the message, and appreciate that, but there are enough reports this wasn't the case.

Andrew Berry, Pro Scouting Coordinator


Andrew Berry is in his seventh season with the Colts and his fourth as the team’s pro scouting coordinator. He spent his first two years with the club as a scouting assistant before being elevated to pro scout in 2011. Berry was a four-year starter, a three-time First Team All-Ivy League selection and a two-time All-America choice at cornerback for Harvard University. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa and cum laude with a bachelor’s degree in economics and a master’s degree in computer science in four years. Berry resides with his wife, Brittan, in Carmel, Ind.

http://www.colts.com/team/staff/andrew-berry/4df06065-ecdb-4aed-bcac-61fbbc2f0114

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 5m5 minutes ago Mobile, AL
Confirming #Browns are hiring former #Colts pro scouting coordinator Andrew Berry as their VP of Player Personnel

I wanna know why we should believe anything Haslam says? Can any of you lap dawgs give us reasons as to how he has earned our trust?

I really should have gone to Harvard.

Lost in all of that is that TMZ is quite frequently right.. as is Bleacher Report.. but it is a bit more "sensationalist" than other news outlets, they try to get things out first, which has caused them problems in the past.

I believe their reputation is growing but a lot of what I see from them, if they didn't break it, it's a reprint of something you can find elsewhere...

LOL

Lap dogs....lol....now you are sounding like Mac.


What has Haslam said about anything we are talking about?

You are mixing your messages Vers.

You somehow think he is like Jerry Jones. Give me one example where we has said he is the GM and will make the picks. People say he picked Manziel, but Farmer was quoted as saying "he" picked JF.

So, give me some bit of proof.


What's up man.....you ok?

How are you going to answer a question w/a question?

Give me reasons why we should trust Haslam. Please?

What do you want to hear. I have no reason to say to trust him other than I know a few who do know him and say he is a great guy.


That doesn't make me trust him. My trust doesn't really matter. He owns the team. That is all that really matters.

He isn't selling anytime soon, so you might as well get past the owner.

Think about it this way, the general impression was that Jr. didn't care, inherited a NFL team, and was a soccer dude. Now we have a owner who bought the team, who has a passion for football, he and his family have donated tens of millions to UT football, and now we want to go back to Jr.?

I'll take Jimmy Haslam. Maybe you know a billionaire better qualified....I don't.

I don't know Jimmy Haslam, though I did get a letter with private informaion from him for my Birthday this past year. I do know some who know him and they all have glowing praise.


Is that proof? Nope, but good enough for me in this case.

I won't go so far as to say that I trust Jimmy Haslam. He hasn't earned any trust as of yet. However, he is the owner of the team, and I don't get a vote on anything he does with it, so all I can do is hope that he finally starts getting things right. Trust is still a fair way off though.

As I said, I have no reason to trust him, but my trust isn't required.


That said, I do like him.

Um... we hired one of the top coaching prospects this year, one could even suggest we scooped better teams (the Giants?)

Said HC has also brought in quite a bit of experience to this staff.

Every one of these guys had other options yet chose what was billed as THE worst situation in pro-football.

Sashi Brown has worked under him for 3 years... If Haslam is the second coming of the Roman Emperor Nero, who intends to burn the city down for his own self gratification, then 1 of 3 things is true:

1) Sashi is plain stupid (which flies in the face of everything said about him... and for that fact, so is Hue and all his staff.
2) Sashi is just as much a huckster as Haslam is and is a co-conspirator in the franchise's destruction
3) Haslam isn't who you guys claim he is

I have no more reason to trust him than I do to trust you.

At least I don't bash the man at every turn. Must you always name call people that don't agree with you?

I don't consider the lap dog comment name calling. It's just a figure of speech.

Morning Kickoff: Browns complete the brainiest braintrust in the NFL

Smartening up: The Cleveland Browns are trying to avoid dumb football decisions in the future by putting brains before brawn.

They’re favoring sheepskin over pigskin, grad school over the school of hard knocks, cum laude over All-Pro honors. They are giving new meaning to the term “football braintrust.”

They completed their football operations restructuring Wednesday with the appointment of Andrew Berry as vice president of player personnel. Berry, 28, was pro scouting coordinator for the Indianapolis Colts the past four years.

It doesn’t matter that he comes from the team that presented the Browns a No. 1 draft pick for running back Trent Richardson in 2013. That certainly wasn’t too smart on the Colts’ part.

What matters is that Berry is a Harvard University graduate with degrees in economics and computer science. In other words, he “aligns” with this new group.

Berry, who was a four-year starting cornerback at Harvard, joins executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown (Harvard Law School, ’02), and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta (Harvard, ’95), in the brainiest front office the Browns ever boasted.

They’ve come a long way from the days of “heir apparent” owner David Modell wagging a cigar in the face of unsigned safety Felix Wright and scoffing of his last contract offer, “And not a penny more.”

The Browns have become “the Harvard on the Cuyahoga.”

Unknown quantities: Berry’s biography includes no reference to college scouting, yet he will be the man to build the Browns’ draft board, administrate the college scouts, and be the No. 1 advisor to Brown.

“Andrew Berry is one of the brightest young men we ever had the pleasure of working with,” former Colts President Bill Polian said in a statement provided by the Browns. “He came to us very early in his career and very soon we realized he was on a fast track.

“I am not surprised the Browns hired him for this very important position. I assure you he has both the capacity and the will to do an outstanding job. The Browns have made, in my humble opinion, a great hire.”

Brown is the team’s former legal counsel, chief contract negotiator and salary cap expert who now has final say on all football matters.

DePodesta is the former Major League Baseball “Moneyball” maven who played wide receiver at Harvard and now is in charge of setting the vision for the organization and creating advantages through the use of analytics.

Can these Ivy Leaguers run roughshod over the National Football League?

Are these smart football hires or just hires of smart men?

We will not know until the league opens for business for the 2016 season on March 9.

Dumb and dumber: It’s not as if this group is following football Einsteins, after all.

Over the past two years, the Browns have led the league in – let’s call them – unsmart decisions.

Such as:

Attaching the transition tag to free agent center Alex Mack, and then matching an offer sheet from the Jacksonville Jaguars that allowed Mack to opt out of the contract after two years.

Trading down from No. 4 in the 2014 draft, bypassing Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack and taking Oklahoma State cornerback Justin Gilbert eighth overall over LSU receiver Odell Beckham Jr. and Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald.

Trading up from No. 26 in the same draft and taking Texas A&M celebrity quarterback and serial partier Johnny Manziel over Louisville’s Teddy Bridgewater and Fresno State’s Derek Carr.

Pledging $9 million in guarantees to aging, descending free agent receiver Dwayne Bowe when no other team was bidding for him.

Devoting a No. 19 overall pick to an inexperienced college center, Cam Erving, as a result of the Mack contract escape clause.

Virtually ignoring the receiver position over two of the most bountiful drafts at the position in history. The one receiver taken in the fourth round in 2015, Vince Mayle, had a history of drops and didn’t make the squad.

The No. 1 football maven in the above decisions was former GM Ray Farmer, who hailed from academically prestigious Duke University.

Farmer thought he could outsmart his football rivals. He arrogantly stayed clear of attending prospects’ pro days, believing he could accomplish more poring over film at his home base while those sappy AFC North rivals flocked to the dog-and-pony shows from campus to campus.

Let’s hope the new Browns’ deep thinkers – DePodesta, Brown and Berry – are smart enough to know what they don’t know.

In this business, the smartest men in the room are not the ones with the degrees. They’re the ones with the rings.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland//post/...rust-in-the-nfl

I trust them, and even if I didnt what difference does it make?

I don't trust him for a variety of reasons:

--His company ripped off other businesses. He paid $92 million in fines and more than $56 million its customers lost as part of the company’s diesel fuel rebate fraud.

--He said that he learned from the Steelers that continuity was huge. Within a year, his coaches were all fired, his GM was fired, and his team president were fired.

--He said before last season that the Browns would stay the course and not blow things up. At the conclusion of just one more season, he fired his GM, his HC, and much of the coaching staff.

--He talks about making mistakes and how things are different, but when you get past all the fancy titles and "cutting-edge" theories, the set-up is the same in that there are too many cooks in the kitchen and all report to him. I call that meddlesome.

I realize that he is the owner of the team. I really did not need 4 people to explain that to me. He can do as he pleases. I also realize that as a fan of the Browns for a long, long time.......I can do as I please and support the franchise that is owned and led by a snake charmer.

I think you mean snake oil salesman. It would be cool if he was a snake charmer though.

People can make excuses for everything you stated and all of the points you made in your last post. Problem being, the things you said were accurate.

I don't trust a word he says except for the fact I do believe he wants to make the Browns a winner. To this point in time the evidence clearly points that he's been inept at doing so. All I can do is hope this time is different. But it's going to take time and I'm going to need to see a lot of evidence before anything close to trust begins to come into the picture.

JC

what's the old joke


How can you tell when a lawyer ( Haslam) is lying? His mouth is moving

Snake oil salesman works too, but I meant snake charmer. Haslam pacifies his victims w/words rather than a pungi.

And yeah, I know it's fake. I just thought it was good image of how the fan base is mystified and pacified by Haslam, the snake charmer.

A snake oil salesman is a good one, too.......I just thought it was a bit harsh.

Has the team improved since Haslam has taken over?

Well we won seven games in 2014. That is an improvement over the crap we had before.

(As you know, we then pooped all over the field and returned to the previous crap.)

This entire hate thing you got going with Haslam makes little to no sense.. What do you think is going to happen?

Haslam: Oh No, I read on Dawgtalkers.net that Versatile Dog doesn't trust me, I guess I better sell the team

Dude, you really need to stop with this angle... Not many are hanging on Haslam's every word waiting for his next prophetic epiphany...

It's more like hope. We want him to be right, we want him to give us something to get excited about, we try to find the positive in it more out of desperation than anything else.

I'm neither mystified by him nor pacified by him. He owns a football team, in the end, the decisions he makes have no impact on my life.. they don't affect my income, my relationships, or my health, etc... (the Browns used to because sucking made me sick and irritable which wasn't good for my relationships but I finally realized that it wasn't worth it to act like that)

I am impressed with the folks we have brought in this time as well.. not because of race so much, they just all seem very qualified... and hopefully by the way we brought them in, they all understand what page we are on and which direction we are going..

I know that being optimistic is viewed as a weakness around here but I'm optimistic any way. I just sincerely hope we give them 4-5 years to get it going.

Don't tell me what to do, DC!

I am going to post this again. Let's see if any of you can respond to it rather than insulting me or telling me how to post:




Let's hear the spin............

This is hilarious on so many different levels.

Yeah, it's hilarious all right.

What did I say that isn't true?

Yet, you don't say squat to a brilliant post like this one by Da-Mans-Hot:



Hilarious, indeed!