I'm not a PETA member (honestly, there's nothing better than a nice juicy steak), but it does make me queasy whenever I hear about or see animals get tortured. I do have a dog though, so it hits closer to home.
Well, on Sportscenter they showed dogfighting clips in conjunction with a segment on Vick and his ties to dogfighting. It was brutal, I could only watch two seconds of it before turning my head.
I hope that joke of a QB burns in hell. Those clips made me sick.
Anyone else see the segment? Just makes me angrier about the whole Vick thing.
It's unfortunate for the Atlanta Falcons fans/organization. I quit caring about Michael Vick a long time ago. They trade away their only other viable QB option and then Vick stands to possibly get a 4-8 game suspension if all the infoformation that SHOULD come out, does.
Hell, the maximum fine is what, 5 years in prison? If Vick is as involved as many are claiming, he could have a very good chance of facing atleast some jail time.
I saw it also. It was on Espn.com. Im not a PETA member either but they got a nice e-mail from me,not that they care. You think they did it for shock value?
I grew up with animals, and I am a dog lover. Having to watch some of that did turn my stomach. Personally, if he did do that I'd like to see him hog tied and have the dogs turned loose on him.
I was STUNNED .. that crap turns my stomach ... ESPN went way beyond where it should have ... that was DISGUISTING ... especially with no disclaimer ...
Vick is nuttin but a HOOD .. hes a straight up PUNK ... if it wasnt for football he'd more than likely be dealin drugs .. hes a POS ...
I won't watch it. Now, I hope Vick is found innocent and then he sues the daylights out of ESPN for slander so that it goes defunct because ESPN is nothing more than the National Enquirer. This story shouldn't be on ESPN, stories like this are why I avoid the regular news. Thank God ESPN changed there view so you can see what's coming so when those no good scumbag rag reporters aren't showing highlights I can change the channel.
I missed the warnign as i was doing sumptin else .... OOPS ... my bad ...
the IMAGES were disturbing ... forget the thought .. i mean the image was two dogs fighting ... what is not disturbing about that???
Soup .. *LOL* ... U didn't even watch it yet your getting on your high horse ... *LOL* ... what a .... well u know ... *LOL* ..
u oughta watch it .. u may LEARN SUMPTIN for a change ... i know i did .....
and when its all said and done .. my guess is Vick is in DEEP TROUBLE with the law and the NFL .... but thats just my opinion on what i saw and heard last night ...
it certainly wont be the other way around as your UNINFORMED ASS potrays ... cause Vick is GUILTY AS HELL in this one .. and guilty folks dotn tend to mae good victims .. *L* ..
Quote: Plus....it is the thought that is disturbing....not the images.
A few days ago someone posted a vid of a buffalo being tugged on one end by 2-3 lions and the other by a croc.
Most of the comments were saying how awesome it was.
The images of those dogs tearing one another apart for gambling isn't disturbing to you The nature clip posted was just that...it was in the wild where things like that happen in the food chain
Quote: I won't watch it. Now, I hope Vick is found innocent and then he sues the daylights out of ESPN for slander so that it goes defunct because ESPN is nothing more than the National Enquirer. This story shouldn't be on ESPN, stories like this are why I avoid the regular news. Thank God ESPN changed there view so you can see what's coming so when those no good scumbag rag reporters aren't showing highlights I can change the channel.
So, if Vick is guilty (and the picture for him doesn't look pretty), you hope he is found innocent and sues the company that covered the story because you don't agree with their style of reporting?
So, you haven't seen it, but you know that it is actionable by Vick? How? I'm assuming it is the same piece that was on Outside the Lines on Sunday. The piece shows clips of dogfights that were from watchdog groups and documentaries on the topic. It never claims that those fights were Vick's. It has an informant, who they verify as has been previously correct in helping prosecute others in dogfighting rings, saying that Vick is known as a high-roller in that community and that he trains dogs for fights. It really wouldn't be actionable by Vick on ESPN, I wouldn't believe.
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Does anybody really believe Michael Vick will go to jail? These guys get away with murder. The bigger the name the less likely jail time. Thats one thing I hate about our court system.
Quote: I missed the warnign as i was doing sumptin else .... OOPS ... my bad ...
the IMAGES were disturbing ... forget the thought .. i mean the image was two dogs fighting ... what is not disturbing about that???
Soup .. *LOL* ... U didn't even watch it yet your getting on your high horse ... *LOL* ... what a .... well u know ... *LOL* ..
u oughta watch it .. u may LEARN SUMPTIN for a change ... i know i did .....
and when its all said and done .. my guess is Vick is in DEEP TROUBLE with the law and the NFL .... but thats just my opinion on what i saw and heard last night ...
it certainly wont be the other way around as your UNINFORMED ASS potrays ... cause Vick is GUILTY AS HELL in this one .. and guilty folks dotn tend to mae good victims .. *L* ..
I won't learn anything while watching it. For all we know Vick isn't guilty. IF he is, justice will be served - if not ESPN just drug his name through the mud so they should face charges. You are convinced he's gulty by what you read in the press and see on ESPN, the majority thought the Duke Lacrosse team was guilty too. I'm not assuming he's not guilty as you say (I stated I hope he's not guilty, truth is - we don't know), you are the ASSuming one saying he's guilty and you know it.
Quote: I won't watch it. Now, I hope Vick is found innocent and then he sues the daylights out of ESPN for slander so that it goes defunct because ESPN is nothing more than the National Enquirer. This story shouldn't be on ESPN, stories like this are why I avoid the regular news. Thank God ESPN changed there view so you can see what's coming so when those no good scumbag rag reporters aren't showing highlights I can change the channel.
So, if Vick is guilty (and the picture for him doesn't look pretty), you hope he is found innocent and sues the company that covered the story because you don't agree with their style of reporting?
No, if he's guilty he should be prosecuted and sentenced to the proper punishment. I hope he's not guilty because it'd be nice to know that he had nothing to do with it. Now I see why ya'll fall for journalism - your reading comprehension is worse than mine.
Quote: So, you haven't seen it, but you know that it is actionable by Vick? How? I'm assuming it is the same piece that was on Outside the Lines on Sunday. The piece shows clips of dogfights that were from watchdog groups and documentaries on the topic. It never claims that those fights were Vick's. It has an informant, who they verify as has been previously correct in helping prosecute others in dogfighting rings, saying that Vick is known as a high-roller in that community and that he trains dogs for fights. It really wouldn't be actionable by Vick on ESPN, I wouldn't believe.
They report the false info - they are accountable as long as the story is slanted and by everyone on here is now convinced Vick is guilty due to the story. Ya'll are as sick and guilty as those attending the fights for posting and watching the videos of the fights on here. You condemn Vick, then do the same thing.
Quote: Dogs are mans best friend for a reason but we do this!
Is it really all that much different than UFC that everyone loves so much? Im not into dogfighting, but whats the difference between dogfighting and boxing, hell boxers probably have it worse physically. Mike Tyson was a cute baby at one time also.
Quote: I won't watch it. Now, I hope Vick is found innocent and then he sues the daylights out of ESPN for slander so that it goes defunct because ESPN is nothing more than the National Enquirer. This story shouldn't be on ESPN, stories like this are why I avoid the regular news. Thank God ESPN changed there view so you can see what's coming so when those no good scumbag rag reporters aren't showing highlights I can change the channel.
So, if Vick is guilty (and the picture for him doesn't look pretty), you hope he is found innocent and sues the company that covered the story because you don't agree with their style of reporting?
No, if he's guilty he should be prosecuted and sentenced to the proper punishment. I hope he's not guilty because it'd be nice to know that he had nothing to do with it. Now I see why ya'll fall for journalism - your reading comprehension is worse than mine.
As a football guy, I also hope he isn't guilty. But looking at the facts-- that this all took place on HIS property (a property worth upwards of a million dollars), that everyone living on the property was UNEMPLOYED and there was a massive and costly dog fighting operation going on, informants directly linking Vick to dog fighting, neighbors claiming they have seen Vick there when he has stated that he 'never goes to the property, etc. Like I said, it's not a pretty picture for Vick and I never said he was guilty. Now, if he is, you can't take it for granted that he will be prosecuted for obvious reasons.
You also make it sound like ESPN ruined his image or something. Now, I admit that I havn't watched the specific 'report' in question, but I can say a few things with confidence. One, I'm sure it was never explicitly said that Vick was involved in this, although I'm sure a biased showing of the facts suggested this. Big difference though. Two, Vick's reputation has already been tarnished big-time for numerous off-field incidents. Maybe that isn't important but I found it relevant. Three, forgot my trian of thought, so I'll just stop here.
Is it really all that much different than UFC that everyone loves so much? Im not into dogfighting, but whats the difference between dogfighting and boxing, hell boxers probably have it worse physically. Mike Tyson was a cute baby at one time also.
Humans can make a choice as to whether they fight or not, dogs can't - that choice is made for them.
Quote: I won't watch it. Now, I hope Vick is found innocent and then he sues the daylights out of ESPN for slander so that it goes defunct because ESPN is nothing more than the National Enquirer. This story shouldn't be on ESPN, stories like this are why I avoid the regular news. Thank God ESPN changed there view so you can see what's coming so when those no good scumbag rag reporters aren't showing highlights I can change the channel.
So, if Vick is guilty (and the picture for him doesn't look pretty), you hope he is found innocent and sues the company that covered the story because you don't agree with their style of reporting?
No, if he's guilty he should be prosecuted and sentenced to the proper punishment. I hope he's not guilty because it'd be nice to know that he had nothing to do with it. Now I see why ya'll fall for journalism - your reading comprehension is worse than mine.
As a football guy, I also hope he isn't guilty. But looking at the facts-- that this all took place on HIS property (a property worth upwards of a million dollars), that everyone living on the property was UNEMPLOYED and there was a massive and costly dog fighting operation going on, informants directly linking Vick to dog fighting, neighbors claiming they have seen Vick there when he has stated that he 'never goes to the property, etc. Like I said, it's not a pretty picture for Vick and I never said he was guilty. Now, if he is, you can't take it for granted that he will be prosecuted for obvious reasons.
You also make it sound like ESPN ruined his image or something. Now, I admit that I havn't watched the specific 'report' in question, but I can say a few things with confidence. One, I'm sure it was never explicitly said that Vick was involved in this, although I'm sure a biased showing of the facts suggested this. Big difference though. Two, Vick's reputation has already been tarnished big-time for numerous off-field incidents. Maybe that isn't important but I found it relevant. Three, forgot my trian of thought, so I'll just stop here.
ESPN should ONLY report on sports, leave the politics out of it. It is NOT a "news" station, it's supposed to take you away from that crap. Now I lost another haven from the trash TV likes to report.
Quote: Humans can make a choice as to whether they fight or not, dogs can't - that choice is made for them.
Also, humans don't fight to the death for sport.
A choice, you really believe guys like Tyson had a choice? I dont.
I have never heard of a dogfight that was to the death intentionally, because that would be a waste of dogs. Everything I have seen or read suggests its much like the Roman gladiators, valuable fighters are worth to much to use to the death, they fight until one is clearly cowed. And live to fight another day.
Dog fighting becoming popular blood sport in Russia October 19, 1996 Web posted at: 11:20 p.m. EDT (1520 GMT) MOSCOW (CNN) -- Despite laws that try to prevent it and the bloody way it always ends, there's a new sport in Russia. Dog fighting is sweeping the country.
On Sunday afternoons in clandestine areas outside Moscow, owners place their dogs inside a ring caged with chicken wire to go one-on-one with another canine. Dozens of people watch and bet, a few aiming video cameras to capture the fierce grappling and biting.
The clashes between dogs are so brutal, some people who came to see the fight turned away.
The dogs, trained their entire lives for these encounters, wait in opposite corners, then charge each other, reaching with their jaws for any open piece of flesh.
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The brawl doesn't end until one animal is severely exhausted, seriously injured or worse, the fight lasting at least 15 minutes. It's common for humans to intervene at the end, prying the dogs apart, their teeth locked around a neck or leg.
One recent dog fight displayed the mentality of the owners. A pit bull named Freddie Krueger entered the ring for his first fight. Fifteen minutes later he was bleeding and beaten. And his owner was disappointed.
"It wasn't too bad," the owner said. "But actually we expected more from him. He just doesn't have the know-how yet."
But Freddie will fight again, something Russian legislators are at loss to explain. They've made the fights illegal, but police have been known to show up and watch the brutal phenomenon for their own entertainment.
Even dog shows in Russia feature the aggressive breeds. Russians see a powerful dog as a sign of prestige, and protection. American judges say the breed of dog is not dangerous. It's the people who ruin the dog by teaching it to fight.
"I think they've got to be trained to be aggressive," says John Cole of the American Kennel Club. "The dog is a nice breed for people, and I hate to see him used in that capacity. It's sick."
But the owners, who stand to win thousands of dollars if their dog is good enough to make it to the "big leagues" of dog fighting, have a different view.
"The dog loves to fight," one owner says. "It's his calling, it's his nature."
Correspondent Jackie Shymanski contributed to this report.
You all realize that man domesticated dog right? Dogs, make that all animals, are territorial and fight. Is dog fighting right? Not to me, but others enjoy it. So be it. They are free to believe that. As I stated and was avoided, those posting and watching the videos are no better than those attending. The mere fact (I'm guessing it's fact from what people are saying ESPN displayed) that ESPN showed video of a dog fight makes them as guilty as those putting on the fights. They could have taken the high road and said "someone gave us footage of a dog fight, we found it appaling and threw it in the trash - we refuse to show it." But ESPN loves it and enjoyed watching it, otherwise they would not have aired it. I find tham, and the others on here who viewed the videos - GUILTY.
Funny thing, people dont have a problem with it. They need to put themselves in the dogs paws. They are starved to the point of death. Fight to stay alive. Probabally have to kill there brother or sister. Also get abused and tortured some more even if they win a fight. God forbid what happens when they lose.
Quote: Funny thing, people dont have a problem with it. They need to put themselves in the dogs paws. They are starved to the point of death. Fight to stay alive. Probabally have to kill there brother or sister. Also get abused and tortured some more even if they win a fight. God forbid what happens when they lose.
You mention the lowest of the low raised by some crackhead in an inner city. Treating your dog this way would make a poor fighter. I would bet Vicks dogs were big, strong, well fed and with a clinic on site. Probably had some good roids for them also. Just like anything in life, there is a big difference between one end of an issue and another.
Quote: They are starved to death because its supposed to make them more aggresive.
Thats the crackhead method of making a dog agressive. If you have even a shred of professionalism it doesnt take much skill to teach a dog to fight, and to want to kill to make you happy. They love to please their handler, Just like a young boxer in training. Im more interested in the professional end of this, not the crackhead end of the spectrum. Because at the end of the day, its those with money who perpetuate a problem, not those on the opposite side of the coin.
Quote: I don't care about the dogs. Hopefully when they die they can be used to feed some human who is hungry.
Just when did your pathetic family emigrate from S. Korea?
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What's the difference between eating a dog, cat or a cow? (Mind you I'm very picky, I'd never touch dog or cat - no, you can't even crack an ethnic food joke - I refuse to eat at Asian restaraunts.)
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The nature clip posted was just that...it was in the wild where things like that happen in the food chain 
