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Read the link I posted in this thread...he doesnt give two poopoo's how Kelly treats him...I agree on the 9-11 thing..dont like it when Christie does it...didnt like it when Gulliani..sp? did it either.

But I think it was smart what he did....did you watch Trumps event?

His main person for Iowa was a female. He had two black females on before and at the end of the event. He sat down with a female CNN reporter and conducted a very good interview before the event, one where he was very respectful to her. Trumps wife was at the event and he honored her.

Idk Devil I dont like the guy but Ive warmed up to the idea of voting for him if he is the nomination.

Hey Devil thought you'd like to read this...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/flashbac...ery=/l9yp1G5Bu6

Thanks, DC. I appreciate that.
Respect back at you.




Yup.
What sane person would sign up for this:

Before:


after:

The before and after shots on all Presidents is astounding. Think there is a little bit of stress with that job?

Evidentially not enough, seeing as some congressmen want to give presidents unlimited war powers.

POTUS BEFORE AND AFTER: Look What Having The World's Toughest Job Did To These 10 Men - Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/presidents-before-and-after-photos-2011-9?op=1

FDRs kind of made me sick to my stomach.

In all fairness... FDR's physical decline wasn't based solely on the demands of his job-


Still... it takes a certain type of ego that I don't possess- to think that I could actually move America's 'political needle' in any effective way.
I don't even think I could move my own town's needle.
If I felt otherwise, I'd have at least run for a City Council seat 20-30 years ago.

In another life, I'd much more be inclined to pursue a career in International Diplomacy than POTUS... but with my luck, I'd have been stationed some place like Benghazi.

Personally, I believe that we assign too much credit and too much blame upon our Presidents for the things that happen upon their respective watches.
That fact alone is why I don't push myself into even the most local of political theaters... I don't need the headaches that come with such a post.

I'd love a 'consultant's job,' though.
If someone wanted to pay me/fly me to DC to spend 3 days 'speaking my mind,' I'd drop down on that like a hawk on today's rabbit dinner!

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Full-Time Politics?
No thanks.

It would inevitalby turn me into the kind of person that NO Dawg would ever want at his taligate.
...and that's a fate that's too costly for any True Browns Believer to bear, despite his political proclivities.


.02,
Clemmy

I'd love to be a politician.

Full benefits, some for life, six figure salary without doing much as a congressman or senator? Si me up. They don't do anything anyway.

I was always told...Those that can, do...those that cant do, teach...those that cant teach consult and those that cant consult, write policy manuals..Meanwhile, those who can not lead, reorganize.

Just pokin fun Clemmy...

So what is stopping you?

I had political aspirations and then my health went bad..but everyone told me I should get into it..the closest I got was being on boards with the city government.

Plus I'm a very private person and wouldnt like my whole life story being put out for the whole world to see...Plus the lengths they go to now to dig dirt on someone is not ok with me...but I think I wouldve done it...and shouldve started early in life.

I don't even want to imagine.

Eh, maybe it's the stress. Or, maybe it's just the typical aging process. None of our presidents get elected at age 25, know what I mean?

I can look at a picture of myself from 6-8 years ago and say "Wow, I've aged a lot". I bet everyone on this board over the age of 30-35 would do the same.

I thought the same thing...not saying the job wont age you...but when I look at pictures of the last 8yrs Ive changed quite a bit from 47 to 54.

I know this is a Trump thread but we have discussed Cruz...who in the world thought this was a good idea in the Cruz camp

http://journal.ijreview.com/2016/01/2524...3435.1450793485

and his response..

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cruz-i...ustom_click=rss

cause nobody would vote for me.

it'll be all good until they found out i'm at 100% for PTSD. the rivals would pounce all over that.

if i was a republican, and it came down to Trump and cruz, i'd pick trump every single time.

Cruz is just waaaaaayyy too extreme for me.

Not me


I was old, fat, short, and ugly back then also. I have not changed a bit.

Its kind of funny to me but flip the names and thats how it started off for me...man the further along this gets Im liking Cruz less and less.

This is the strangest election cycle I remember in a long time..

FDR also served more than two terms. He was so popular for pulling us out of the depression with social programs, getting our country back to work by building our infrastructure, that he was voted in four times. Basically a democratic socialist was our most popular president. Hmm.

People love "free" stuff.

I don't see the 'extremism' that you guys see in Cruz. Far as I can tell, he's the only guy running that has gone to Washington and did what he campaigned on.

We all complain about how Washington is owned by the rich, but now that the honest to goodness other side of the transaction is running for president we don't mind?

I don't get it.

Other than fear of Hillary getting elected, I don't get it.

Not free stuff. Just would prefer our taxes work for us a little more. You know, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. In turn putting Americans back to work with good paying jobs. Healthcare that doesn't cost me a fortune in premiums, co pays, then bills on top of that for the remaining unpaid by my insurance. Not free stuff. Just a little security for my aging parents to not have to fear a financially devastating diagnosis that would force them to spend down everything they've saved through 40 plus years of labor, to end up on Medicare.. Otherwise known as socialized medicine. Not free stuff. Just tired of buying failed fighter jets. Tanks. While also corporately subsidizing oil companies and banks. The same banks that collapsed our economy then asked for OUR money to bail them out. All while paying their executives bonuses of more than I'll make in my life as a nurse. Not free stuff. I don't need free stuff. I just want our system to work for us. The nurses, the factory worker, the bus driver, the CNA, the grocery clerk, those of us that won't ever be millionaires. Yet work long hard hours to pay our mortgage, feed our families, keep our cars on the road... Yet live in fear of financial ruin from a cancer diagnosis or such. Not free stuff.

I agree with some of that, but I'd like to see how many volunteers we'd get today for WPA type projects like digging ditches, laying road, draining swamps, etc. for "a chicken in every pot" and less than minimum wage. I also wonder what kind of health care those folks received.

Around here, we already pay for that stuff. Too much. But it's never enough - they always need more.

Yes, if only we could all work for the gov't. Because the gov't is the only business that creates good paying jobs out of nothing. All the other good paying jobs come from work. Working, having needed skills and using them.

I would love that. Who would pay though?

There's insurance for that kind of stuff. The question is, do your parents want to pay for it? If not, why? Oh, because it costs. So if they don't want to pay, who should pay?

I could go with that. As for bailing out banks though, (I'm assuming you mean the housing bubble), who changed the rules that there was no need to verify income, or verify credit rating, or ability to repay? Pretty sure it was congress, because congress is the only place that writes laws.


So, in essence, you don't want free stuff - you just want someone else to pay? If not, then you want higher taxes.

We - well, the working peons of this country, are already taxed enough. It's not a tax problem, it's a spending problem. Give the gov't. a dollar to buy a 25 cent lollipop, and they'll come back and say "we need $1.25 to buy that. We have to pay the lollipop inspector and his secretary, plus the lab testers, then we have a crew of 2 go out and inspect the lollipop manufacturer, and they all get pensions, and then we have our procurement dept, transportation, finalization and inspection dept, and then we have to deliver said lollipop, but we need to pay the delivery oversight department, as well as have our final inspection team verify that said lollipop was delivered, all paper work was signed, and finally, our follow up dept. has to manage more paper work. Plus, we added new rules that lollipops are a danger to our health, so we have now cancelled that program. However, we cannot fire any employees. Consequently, the lollipop that costs 25 cents can not be delivered for any less than $1.25, and further, due to health reasons, we won't even deliver it. Regardless, we now need $1.50 for every lollipop we don't deliver."

arch,

That last paragraph was satirical poetry!

Sadly, hilariously true.

People forget that this country is strongest when we take care of each other. Not trash each other and leave people behind.

Unity, loyalty and integrity seems to be lost amongst Americans.

Arch, how about having the ultra wealthy pay just their fair share ? You are a smart guy so it amazes me that smart guys like you can't seem to figure out that we ( working class ) are losing the class war . The 1% should be treated better ? Should have more breaks because they work harder than you or me ? I assure you that is not the case . Until this country redirects its anger the right way things will NEVER change . It's not Black vs White , Left vs Right it is Rich vs Everyone else and if you don't see that then You are part of the problem .

Unity ? Loyalty ? Integrity ?. When were those things part of the fabric of America ?

Well, I thought it was.

Your post had me thinking, and now I need to burn one. Depressing.

Just out of curiosity what is ultra wealthy?? and what is that fair share come out to ??

Class warefare...sounds a little like class envy in your post.

Though I will agree rich are getting richer and well the poor are not getting better.

Well Golly, thanks for misconstruing things. I'm not smart.

Next, I do believe the "rich" pay enough. The problem is we have too much gov't, AND, too many leaching off the gov't.

Through out my daily work and social life I can't even tell you how many people - healthy people, able to work people, that almost seem to brag about not working, or having to be careful how many hours they work so as not to affect their "gub'mint" benefits.

Swish won't like this, but I'll say it anyway: I know too many people on "disability" that have no right getting it. (swish won't like that because he'll go all "oh, you know somebody, so that makes it true?" )

I'm talking people that supposedly aren't able to work, yet they can jog, baby sit, work for pay under the table, abuse welfare, etc.

Shall I tell stories? Okay.

I know a couple that, of their 3 daughters (each having had kids while in high school - one of them graduating h.s. while pregnant with her 3rd kid) have decided that work ain't worth it. Getting that free check each month is easy, especially with the added benefits of having kids. All 3 of the kids do it.

I can count, here in my town alone, 3 people that are getting full military benefits - somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 grand a month - due to: well, one person got drunk and fell off a vehicle, one hurt his/her back while on a ship (and whose 3 kids are now in the military, but the oldest is getting full benefits).....heck, that person taught their kid well, as far as how to get free money).

Another has ptsd - even though he never served in any combat situations, nor ever served over seas. He gloats about being a "disabled vet".

Another couple - not married - 3 kids, but the woman gets all kinds of help from the gov't, even though the man has a good job. Owns a house, has 3 vehicles, always has atv's or sea doos sitting in his yard.

I understand helping those that need help.

What I don't understand is helping those that abuse it.

Just Friday I overheard a 20-24 year old, healthy (as far as I could tell) lady at a gas station explaining why she couldn't pick up another shift: It might put me over my medicaid limit.

The company my wife works for is in dire need of employees. But wait - employees that actually are competent and - AND show up and work. They start at $12 an hour. (no bene's for at least 3 months). A good number of them come from Toledo - 45-60 mile drive, depending on where in the Toledo area they live. AND, the company offers $50 a week bonus for gas money.

That company hasn't secured very many full time employees though. "Oh, we gotta drive, then work, then drive. Why do that?"

I think rich people pay enough in taxes. I think I pay too much, and I know the bottom 30-50% don't pay enough.

Dont let that stuff depress you...is the American dream dying..yeah I think so...but man it can be done here..rags to riches...with a little luck sprinkled in.

I agree Arch with one thing...who in the heck do you think is paying large chunks of taxes...sure isnt poor people or the ones getting back more then they paid in...and ur right there is a serious spending problem in this country.

I agree there's a spending problem. That needs to be addressed too. I will say with a single payer system there is a ton less beaurocracy. This helps keeps overall costs down. Insurance companies don't have to hire legal teams to defend non payments, or to squabble over every last penny.
As to my parents. They paid their taxes. Worked their butts off for 40 plus years. Scrimped and saved every spare penny so they could retire from a factory floor and years of nursing. Now they pay high premiums on their insurance and pray like hell nothing bad hits them. Or at least if it does it comes fast and hard and takes them out quickly. Any drawn out illness will eventually break them. Tha plays out across the country every day. I see it all the time in my career. Sadly.
So. Will I pay a slightly higher tax rate to insure my parents and my neighbor's parents and the parents and families of people I don't even know are safe from such ruin. Yup. With a smile.

As to the taxes the wealthy currently pay...
"Americans making over $250,000 in 1944 — over $3.2 million today — paid 69 percent of their total incomes in federal income taxes, after exploiting every loophole they could find. In 2007, by contrast, America’s 400 highest earners paid just 18.1 percent of their total incomes, after loopholes, in federal taxes."
http://flaglerlive.com/26685/gc-fdr-and-taxes/
I don't know about you but I know I paid more than 18.1% on my $60 grand last year. So maybe the rich aren't REALLY paying what you think.

I paid more in federal taxes then you made for the year...and cant disagree more strongly that the rich arent paying what you think...

Man I need to back out of this thread..I'm going to say stuff that I really dont want to get into.

Not really paying as much as you think..Holy Jesus people really believe this way

Another point about FDR looking old besides his illness, he was president for 3 full terms and part of the fourth before he died in office.

I pay, and have paid, well over 20%, in fed. taxes alone. That doesn't count state taxes, or local taxes.

When is enough enough? We, flat out, don't have a taxation income problem, we have a gov't. spending problem. Period. End of discussion.

A 94% tax rate (for fdr) which no one paid? Please. A 69% rate which the "wealthy" paid? Please.

Why not cut gov't. by 10% - a flat 10% per year. Hold gov't employees to the same standard you and I have to pay? Service would fall? Crap - get rid of the waste - that's a huge amount. Get rid of the people that abuse gov't. benefits - fed and state employees included. Make them WORK to keep their pay.

Or, better yet, make those that earn $50,000 to $70000 pay 40% in taxes, those that earn over $100,000 pay 42%. Those that don't earn income? Make them pay 20%. (social security aside).

Heck, better yet, tax everyone at 50%. The rich don't need it, the poor didn't earn it.

Watch jobs disappear. Gone.

I pay well over 20% in federal taxes. Add in my insurance - home, auto, business.......what the hell do I work for? Add in property tax, life insurance, sales tax - the gov't or insurance companies get close to half my income already.

Same boat here. I've always said if you want a tax revolution in this country make everyone pay quarterly taxes as opposed to every check. See how much money you are really sending to the government. It is laughable to me that people think it would be fair for someone to send half, or more, of their earnings to the government. That doesn't even include the full 15.3% of income up to 118,500 for the self employed (social security, Medicaid) - and I'll probably never see any SS dollars as it is a freaking Ponzi scheme that will fail before I retire. Would love to take that 14k and invest it myself, but I digress.

These horrible rich people also likely pay state, local, and in some cases (like me) school district. Lump in sales tax, gas tax, alcohol tax, and God knows whatever other taxes and it is frankly obscene.

I've posted many times of my longing for www.fairtax.org as the future of taxation, but it will likely never happen.

I think you guys are mixing the two. FBH and Columbus.

We're talking big corporations. Them and rich people aren't the same thing, even though they are somewhat tied together.

The problem is major corporations using loop holes to pay next to nothing.

And no, trickle down economics doesn't work.