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Hue Jackson names Josh McCown the starter before training camp like Mike Pettine did?

Well, seeing as JFF has had another altercation with the law, would you really be surprised?

As of this moment, McCown is the best QB we have on this roster.

But I really don't think he'll do that.

Then fine. He has been the best QB we've had since the return. Manziel has been close at times but at this point I can barely tell the difference between him and Justin Blackmon. There's a difference between McCown starting over a second year Manziel for the beginning of the year and over a rookie for the beginning of the season IMO.

What if...

we actually draft a QB that isn't a buffoon and can play the game?

This is Cleveland. The "Austin Davis must start!" signs are already being produced.

If Manziel is still on the roster at the beginning of next season, then he should be starting. Admittedly, this seems unlikely, so I'm believing McCown will start for one more year...

Why do you feel he should be starter?

Last season, McCown was the bridge QB, the mentor to Manziel and Davis. Assuming Manziel is history, I expect we draft a QB and McCown to fill that role again next season...

Last season Pettine's plan was for McCown to be the starter for the whole year. At least that is what appeared obvious to me. I think Pettine would've played him all season if he had stayed healthy. I think if McCown is the starter at the beginning of next year its fine but I wouldn't leave him in there too long... New guy needs reps... Lets not waste a whole season. 4 games for McCown, max. Give the rookie 12 games. Let's face it though -- the way McCown throws himself around he won't last long anyway.

I can't stand watching McCown play. Just start whomever is supposed to be our future.

Cincinnati drafted Palmer #1 overall.

They started Jon Kitna that season. That was the plan. They stuck to it.

They went 8-8. Their best record in years. They turned it over to Palmer the followng year.

If your rookie is good enough to start game #5. Then just play him game #1. If he wont be ready till game #12. Then just let him sit the whole season.

We need to stop this microwave thought process of "I want it now!"

It seems some just want to see a young QB play so they can deem him not good enough, and move onto the next shiny new prospect.

And we want to ensure that the "new guy" has a fighting chance to be our future. Don't prematurely expose him until he is ready. Play McCown until then...

I agree. If we decide to keep him, he brings little value as the back-up.

It doesn't matter. I think we cut him the day after draft day if we can't trade him for some conditional pick before the draft.

Joe Flacco was nowhere near ready to start in the NFL when he was drafted by the Ravens.

He started anyway, and developed quickly, on the fly. Hue Jackson was Flacco's QB coach in that rookie season.

If the QB we draft is willing to absolutely and completely devote himself, on and off the field, to being great, then he could easily start on day 1 ... even if he isn't necessarily "ready" on that very 1st day. (like Flacco)

I think that it's very likely the Browns cut Manziel the day the new league year opens.

Baltimore was going to sit Flacco, the only reason he started was because Troy Smith got the flu right before the season started.

And I don't think they will do anything till the draft. Think about it. If they cut him they declare what they are doing. Why let someone jump you in the draft and take your guy. I hope we have OTA'S before the draft and they really build Johnny up so no one knows what we are doing.

There is no one in the NFL that doesn't expect us to take a QB in this draft. The only question is whether we stay at 2 and take one there, or trade down a few spots and take one there.

I don't believe that there is a single team in the NFL right now who would give up even a conditional 7th rounder for Manziel. His reputation is too badly damaged, and he appears to be emotionally fragile. That is one trait no one at any level wants in a QB.

Maybe that as well, though at this point I don't see any real urgency in doing so.

I don't see it hurting in keeping until the draft.


If you really wanted to stick the guy, because he has stuck us, why not keep him until the final cuts of preseason? Make him do the work. Make him learn the new O, then cut him.

Give him some garbage time in the pre-season games, then render him almost useless to other teams who have mostly finalized their rosters.

OK....just saying. I wouldn't want to do that. That isn't the right thing to do from a moral or ethical standpoint.

The roster spot is more valuable than sticking it to Manziel.

Man, you a hanging judge or what? Haha

No point in cutting him until after the draft. we might get a conditional pick for him.
There's no way we don't draft a QB, so we might as well get one early * at 32 or sooner.

On a side note, someone with the Browns should be in Texas now to help JFF, one way or another. This is beyond football now. He needs help.

jc...

If we draft a QB at #2, there is zero chance anyone starts but that QB. Zero.

Listen to Jackson talk. One, he wants to win right away. Two, he knows he can't win without a QB. Three, he knows McCown isn't that guy. Coming back to point one, he knows the quickest way to win is to find the QB. If we draft a QB and don't get him experience right away, it delays the winning. It's a silly exercise to sit a guy these days. Jackson knows this.

I'll bet anyone any amount of money that if we draft a QB at #2, he starts day 1.

As a completely unlicensed amateur psychologist, and observer of human behavior, I think that Manziel appears to be on a really dangerous path right now. I really wasn't exaggerating when I said that I could see him (sadly) on a tragic ESPN special a few years from now.

I really think that he needs something to (God willing) jerk him off of the path he's on, and hopefully get him to go get some serious help. I see him as being on a self destructive path, and one that could lead to truly horrible consequences. Maybe getting cut shocks him enough that he gets the help he needs.

I cannot imagine that a single veteran who went through last year, and who has seen this off-season unfold, would argue with cutting him, especially with a lot of the stuff that has come out since the season ended. (and I will say that a lot of people who called Pettine all kinds of names for sitting Manziel probably owe him an apology at this point) The worst thing to have happen at this point (outside of a tragedy, obviously) is for the team to become convinced that he is "OK" without him going to get major help. Even then, he's a serious risk, and an unnecessary one at this point. He has faked a recovery already. He's good at it. What makes anyone think that he won't fake another? We have a veteran backup, and a young veteran backup. Go get our QB in this draft, if he's there, and if not, then hope he's there next year. Counting on Manziel to even be available at this point is foolish beyond words. It's time to move on from him,and end the sad story that Johnny Manziel has become. Let fresh air into the Browns headquarters, relieve all of the stress that Manziel has created, and just move on. He's not going to succeed here, and frankly, I don't think that he will succeed anywhere at this point. Cut him and hope that it shocks him into truly getting the help (that I believe) he seriously needs. I simply do not see an end game here that works out well for the Browns. No team is going to trade assets for him, (and I have to wonder if any team is even going to look at him if he becomes a free agent, given his actions thus far as an NFL player) and even if we were to get a 7th round pick, is that worth the continuing sideshow? I don't think so.

Cut clean, and move on. I think that benefits the team, other players, and the coaches. Everyone can start fresh, without the constant "Johnny questions". That can only benefit the whole team.

That's my amateur opinion on it anyway.

Not in camp. We are talking one slot out of 70 or so. Even if we weren't going to keep him, he is still better than some scrub OT we might be keeping around so JT doesn't have to take as many reps. If coaches had rosters of 100 players, they would still complain that every slot is important and they could use more.


But, as I said, I was just talking out loud. Push come to shove, I wouldn't do that and would hope our team wouldn't do that.

I believe in doing on to others as I would like to be done to me.

I agree there is no chance we will string Manziel along.

He will be cut.

If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

I'll be surprised if he isn't cut from the team on Feb. 8th unless the league won't let the Browns release him while investigating the most recent issue.

The Browns won't keep him until the draft b/c Hue isn't going to invest any time in him. Being a new HC for the Browns, that affords the Browns the ability to hold voluntary mini camps/conditioning programs in early April which occur before the draft.

Why the hate for Conner Shaw??

Only if she met your uncle (who had a vagina) at exactly the same time, in exactly the same place.

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I'm sorry, bro.... my mind just took a left turn into 'nerdworld.' I couldn't help myself-

Hope you understand....

I don't think the FO has any intention of cutting JM.
Think about it. If JM is doing all of this stuff to get cut so he can go to another Team, then I think we counter this by suspending him for 16 games in 2016 for conduct detrimental to the Team. We can show him that if he wants to try to manipulate us, we can malipulate him right back.

Sounds good in theory but there is no way in heck the NFLPA would allow that.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. But in any case, we would bring in a mediator to discuss and would follow any guidelines that followed, now do we really want to go through with all that trouble? I don't know. Just saying there's ways to put the hurt on him and keep him from jumping ship if thats what he wants.

What a novel Idea.. That would be GREAT....

I don't think that they plan to cut him, either. I think they plan to attempt to play up his perceived value here between now and Draft Day in the hopes they can get something for him while unloading what has been an ungodly headache and a P.R. nightmare.

I do not see us releasing him, but if we draft a QB and have McCown, I also do not see us playing him. I foresee us keeping him on the roster at least until the Trade Deadline.... somebody is going to have a QB go down, and we'll have one we're willing to trade away.

That would depend entirely on what the other options were... if we had the #2 overall pick as a potential QB, then it would be stupid.

It doesn't benefit the Browns to cut Manziel on February 8th...Now the day before any team activity takes place...That would be the perfect day..Don't let him back in the building for any reason.

Manziel needs to be cut before any team activities begin. The drama, the circus, the nonsense, however you describe it...needs to END. It is time for serious adults to go to work as professional football players in Cleveland.

You know what, beast? I defended JFF a lot (Jan. 3 was straw that broke the camel's back for me), and while I think the idea of keeping him to see if we get a puck has some merit, I think the Browns would be better off cutting him. Get all the headaches and drama over with.

Other teams read and watch the national news. They see the circus that Manziel has become, They know the PR nightmare that trading for him would create.

Why would any team give up any value, even just a 7th round, conditional pick, for that? Manziel will be released agt some point rather soon, and there will be very few teams that will be lining up to add his circus act to their team.