DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon files application for reinstatement from league suspension

Never said you were ignorant. It's just not clear what your purpose is with all this Manziel vs. Gordon stuff. To what, point out posters being hypocritical? So what if they are? What is that supposed to mean? That they are no longer credible? as posters? as fans? The NFL will view and judge those two separate from each other... the Browns will judge those two separate from each other... but for some reason we as fans aren't supposed to?

Personally, I'm done on this topic, it's played out. Good luck with your viewpoint though. Hopefully it won't be a long off season

I said Johnnys problem are his due to a weak mind. I also said many were caused by the fans. The guy has been crusified since day one. So yes, a large number of fans caused, or at minimum contributed.

But a large number of fans also bought in to the hype, and plenty still don't have any issues with how he's conducted himself. So haven't those fans contributed just as much by basically enabling that kind of behavior and are just as guilty?

A large number of the fans have excused away Gordon's sins and don't care that he has been suspended many times, kicked out of two colleges, lied about it, been arrested for a DUI, had pot in his car, posted pictures of himself w/a pipe and pill bottle, posted a vid of him wasted in a Miami bar, missed practices, was late for meetings, dogged it on the field, didn't learn the plays, etc...........so, aren't those fans basically enabling that type of behavior?

Sorry brother, I said earlier I'm done with the Gordon vs. Manziel part of the debate. Not being a jerk, but I honestly don't see what point you are trying to drive home.

If that makes me look unfair, or like I'm picking on Johnny, or some kind of hypocrit, then I guess I'm just some kind of stupid jerk face with his own take on things.

This is complete nonsense. No one has excused Gordon on anything.

The NFL is a joke! It should have reinstated Gordon by now. All the garbage they allow back in the league and how certain players get a pass. He served his time, now let him back in the league!

Good. With as visibly out of shape he showed up last season after the other suspension, he NEEDS to be taking care of himself like this.

I assume that was sarcasm?

I can't speak for anybody else, but I never excused any of Gordon's behavior. Actually over the years, I posted many times in the various Gordon threads clarifying often misunderstood aspects of the drug policies and stood up for how the NFL handled the suspensions. So necessarily that is not sticking up for Gordon, and that was hard to do being a Browns fan who is also highly skeptical of many of the NFL's recent decisions.

I also wrote this in another thread about Manziel (this was before some of his most recent garbage like ditching the team before the final game, missing his concussion treatment, police chopper searching for him, and allegations of assault):



Put yourself in Alex Mack's shoes. Do you care if Gordon comes back? Do you care if Manziel comes back? Maybe I'm just projecting here, but I personally would welcome Gordon back because ever since he got busted for having drinks on a plane to Vegas, all we've heard about him is how he's gotten into art and he's working out hard. That's cool. Then look at the train wreck that Johnny Manziel is. Why would you want to deal with all that nonsense? Especially at quarterback. I'm not aware of any other quarterback on an NFL roster who acts like Johnny. You've mentioned your football career on here many times. Would you want to line up behind Johnny Manziel, knowing that he spent more time that week out partying than he did watching tape or studying the game plan? I doubt it.

Just clickin'

Maybe my memory is not that good , but I really don't remember too many people on here giving a Gordon a pass.

I really don't think what's happening here is that people are saying JFF's transgressions are worse than Gordon's. What I think is happening is that we have heard nothing of Gordon for quite some time. And with this kind of thing, no news is good news. When was the last time Gordon was in the news for something negative? A year? A little more? Won't ask about the last time JFF was in there negatively because that is measured in hours right now. But how many times has JFF been out there negatively since Gordon was last?

Again, don't twist into thinking I am excusing Gordon because I am not, and never have. And I am not saying that JFF is worse because I have not put forth any effort into ranking them because I don't give a flying . I think it comes down to what has happened lately, what is fresher in the mind. Gordo was an absolute trainwreck but for all we know he has toed the line while on suspension. If he had not, I would think it would have come out. If I hear he screwed up again I would not be surprised. He has shown no capacity for learning from mistakes.

Manzie is currently a trainwreck. He is more visible as a QB, and let's be honest, he is a magnet for attention. Nothing he does will go unnoticed. He also has shown little capacity for learning from his mistakes. We all know he went to rehab and was there a while. We do not know what the rehab was to address. We also do not know if it did any good. If it was for alcohol or avoiding social media, then it was a Farmer-esque failure. But we do not know.

Great thing about Gordon coming back (if he is reinstated) is that he only has one year left on his deal, but due to his suspensions and week 17 deactivation, he is a RFA after the season instead of a UFA. He is the unusual player under the current CBA that will have a meaningful original round tender, so in 2017 he will be on our roster for something like $1.6 million or we will get a minimum of a second round 2017 pick for him.

Just to add a thought that your post triggered in me. I am tired of the Browns being relegated to JFF always stories so we trot out all the negatives again as the media piles on.

Simply put, tired of what he chooses to do, and I am most alarmed at the trend in his conduct. Not just more of the same, but also more often. I am all in favor of due process and fairness, but not in the least supportive of undue process. We seem to be playing catchup again, and once again, we will need to wait on the NFL.

Imagine life without him on the roster as a better possibility. Whatever we feel is owed to him for loyalty has to be outweighed by the rest of the team with JM excluded. Has to be unbalanced and unfair to write them all off. JMHO

I don't think that's correct.

he only played 5 games in 2014. Therefore he should have only 2 accrued seasons of 4 on his contract.


http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/8282/josh-gordon

The NFLPA has filed a non-injury grievance against the Browns for Josh Gordon's Week 17 suspension.

Gordon was suspended by the team for Week 17 after missing the Saturday walkthrough. The suspension had far-reaching consequences for him, as it meant he only played five games during the 2014 season -- and therefore didn't accrue a year toward free agency.

This grievance will not have any effect on Gordon's 2015 status with the league -- he can't even apply to be reinstated until after the season.

No, I don't think that was sarcasm. He really was kinda out of shape, if I remember correctly.

I didn't recall him being badly out of shape physically, just brain dead when it came to the playbook, and unwilling or unable to run the correct routes.

You don't remember guys like mac saying that Goodell should be fired? You don't remember guys like YTown crying about Rice and others? You don't remember all the posts about how weed isn't bad for you? You don't remember all the posts about how the NFL hates the Browns?

Sheesh man...........I love ya, but your memory is failing you on this one.

If I remember correctly I think he looked like he gained some weight back then.

P.S. He might have saw Terrelle Pryor and said I better hit the gym?

You're saying the same thing as me. He was signed to a four year deal. Three of those years are expired, but he has accrued only two seasons. After this season, his contract will be up, but since he will (presumably) only have three accrued seasons, he will be a restricted free agent. Is that different from what you are saying?

I thought he kinda looked like he spent an entire game check on Girl Scout cookies. The guy had packed on some serious weight and borderline had a gut on him.

I don't remember that.

Not saying that you memory is false... all I'm saying is that his physique didn't make me sit up and take notice.

What i DO remember is this:

1. He didn't know his routes/roles.
2. Hoyer targeted him waaaaay too much for my tastes.

I distinctly remember posting that I wished Hoyer would play the scripted plays instead of force-feeding Gordon the ball. He had a good 'playbook chemistry' with our WR corps until Gordon came back.

Trust me: I'm not putting all the blame on JG for what we saw. BH CHOSE to target him all those times. From the 1st game following ATL, I was screaming for BH to get over his mancrush on Gordon.

I didn't see Gordon as physically out-of-shape as much as I saw him MENTALLY pot-of-shape.

I don't remember a gut.
I DO remember a ton of blown assignments/routes.

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All said, I'm still hoping to see the JG we all know he can be. If Hue wants him on the roster, I want to see what he can bring. Come draft time, I wouldn't object to seeing the Browns hire his replacement with one of their picks, but let's be honest here:

We already have a pro-bowl-level WR ON THE ROSTER. The kind of asset that ANY QB could make good use of. On a rookie salary. For another year, at least.

If I'm the Browns Brain Trust, I put him on the field in 2016. Take a chance on him. Dude was stupid as Hell during the season he put up Pro Bowl numbers on 2 fewer games than any other yop-tier WR.

You draft for later. You play whom you have.

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Crying about Rice?

I said that a guy who assaulted his girlfriend, on camera, should not be allowed back into the game. I had a friend who was the victim of abuse, and it is a very, very touchy subject to me. I do not apologize for that. I didn't "cry" about it, though, and I fail to understand why you feel the need to be so insulting all the time.

I just don't see a gut. (These are from his 1st game back from suspension, where he was targeted 16 times, catching 8 for 120 yards)

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To be fair, I did start off with as disclaimer about my memory. With this kind of thing, not always reliable.

I do remember the weed debate, which seems to resurface on the boards on occasion. And the NFL hating the Browns has been on the boards quite a bit as well. Doesn't take much to spark those themes, so I have no problems seeing Gordon's woes triggering them.

mac ... well he's had a lot tin hat thoughts over the years, so I can buy that as well. I have no reason to doubt your memory, it's been pretty reliable over the years with this sort of thing.

Maybe he was just wearing a flak jacket/rib protector, but I clearly saw an abdomen that stuck out on him which wouldn't show well in a head-on picture like these.

That was just five pounds of weed he had stuffed in his shirt

Can't say I remember him being physically out of shape, but mentally, I have no idea where he was.

I remember him looking a little chunky. I also remember him looking a little disinterested, and on occasion, pouting. Mind-reading aside, I remember him breaking off routes, running wrong routes, and giving a pretty half-assed effort on contested balls. Jim Donovan said after the season that Gordon was directly responsible for several (3+) of Hoyer's interceptions during Brian's "slump".

Hey, don't laugh, Pryor's got a better build then most:

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/07/24/0724-terrell-pryor-instagram-1200x630.jpg

If Pryor can turn into a decent receiver? And Gordon can play good again too? Ut-oh! Watch out for our Brownies!

Correct me if I'm wrong Mac, but didn't Pettine say that he wasn't going to rush gordon back in when his suspension was up last season (2014)and then did just the opposite?

Priority two will be an enormous challenge. I myself don't think JG is capable of not slipping up, but honestly - I felt he'd pull a Blackmon and slip up during his suspension and he proved me wrong.

I still can't bring myself to install any faith in him. Car runs awesome until it, and inevitably, runs outta gas.

That's the point, Pet said one thing then clearly did another.

You and Vers are two of a kind. You CONSTANTLY put words in peoples mouths.

DID I SAY THAT? DID THOSE WORDS APPEAR ANYWHERE THAT I TYPED..

NO, they didn't.

Forgive me for asking a simple question..