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People that rail against something tend to do so out of fear of being corrupted by it(homophobia). Nearly no one fights something they simply do not like, you fight to destroy something that can corrurpt you.
So in other words,the fact that I've rescued Pit Bull puppies from certain death (first one I found almost dead laying by a toilet where it had drank the last of the water in it in an abandoned apartment) and have fallen in love with the breed. The fact that I've seen the terrible way that man has shed light on the breed. The fact I want to help save and protect the breed.................................................
Has nothing to do with my hatred for fighting pit bulls. Instead,it's my fear of being corrupted into fighting them?
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Yeah, sorry Rage, but I don't understand where you are going with this.
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Its not the violence your against, its the neglect and the fact that dog vs dog is nearly equal to incest morality wise . I know you feel the rush of having a big, strong agressive dog. Your posts make that obvious.(not far from fighting dogs) You have contemplated many times Im sure sicking them on people. (Not far from fighting dogs) Im sure you and your junkyard cousin probably have a few stories of the gaurds mauling people dont you? ( Not far from fighting again) Id be willing to bet you have watched your own or others chase down and kill other animals, not saying you did it intentionally, but I would bet its happened if you have spent many years around the breed. its what they do. I would also bet you had a huge surge of pride watching your dog take something down. I know I felt that pride when my Rott took down a small doe.
Your posts make it obvious,
Just like homophobia, there is no real chance someone could be converted into a homo,, but deep seated subconscious fear is not a rational thing. The telling difference is that your not just against it, your violently against it. And so violently against it that your willing to use the same poor dogs you just want to protect as a violent tool to teach someone a lesson.
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His screen name makes it obvious.
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I was curious as to how bad it really was. Soup I was refering to you as one of the people in my post above.
You are no better than anyone who attends the fight. You refer to me as being involved in dog fighting, yet I REFUSE to watch any video of it because I find it appauling (I don't have to watch to know that). You are a hypocrite and guilty. You are way more involved in dog fighting then you accuse me of - you actually took the time to watch it.
Let's see if I follow this train of thought...
If I were to watch a news piece on dog fighting, I would be as guilty as those that attended.
If I watch a news piece on the holocaust, I would be as guilty as the Nazi soldiers.
Hmm...
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I'd like to witness a dog fight sometime, just to say I did. I'm sure it would be INTENSE. Afterward, I don't know how I'd feel about it. But I sure would be able to chalk it up as another life expreience.
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Now, I am not asking this to be inflamatory, I am asking honestly...
Have you personally ever purposefully killed an animal? Stray cat?
Just curious.
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Honestly, as someone who grew up hunting and fishing---yes, I have killed animals before.
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Thats not the type of animal he was talking about...IMO
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I have to believe that personally killing something would be more gratifying(?) than watching something else kill something - wouldn't it? Or are you saying you want to experience the atmosphere and comaderie of dog fighting?
I guess my question is really... what part of the process intriques you?
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How about killing varmints: like groundhogs with the .223.
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Killing something with a gun is a bit different. There is space between you and the animal. I would imagine it is easier to 'detach' emotion from it.
I am wondering if you have ever held a cat, bird, rabbit, or hamster and crushed it or snapped its neck with your hands.
Would you ever dump gas on a cat and set it ablaze? Have/would you snap a bird's neck?
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To answer as to why I'd like to see a dogfight:
Well, its something that is taboo in our culture---its illegal---yet, in certain parts of the world/country its something that enjoys a sort of fraternal existence. A brotherhood, it has is own underground subculture--which, as a human being, I feel that it would be interesting to witness this spectacle.
It would be interesting how I would handle an environment where two animals fight until one can no longer bare to go on. Meet these people, and gain a little perspective rather than judging it through the television lens.
So yes, I have a sort of morbid curiosity that I rationalize as an attempt to understand a very small, secretive, and deviant culture.
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No fair !! Birds and cats don't count. I mean they aren't really animals are they ?  Seriously though, if you said you had held a full grown cat in your hands and snapped it's neck I'd have to cry foul . I am a relatively strong man and a simple housecat will give you all you can handle and then some when you try to manhandle it anywhere .
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Why not take that one step further and go to death row and talk to the inmates ? I'm sure you would gain some much needed insight.
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Its not the violence your against, its the neglect and the fact that dog vs dog is nearly equal to incest morality wise . I know you feel the rush of having a big, strong agressive dog.
My dog? Aggressive? Now THAT'S funny! I think by nature,she would protect me if I were physicly atrtacked,but in reality,that situation has never arisen. The biggest FEAR you should have of MY dog? Is being LICKED to death! She LOVES people. Especially children because of their energy!
For goodness sake. I can keep up playing with her for a while. But she just flat wears me out after a while. But my grandkids keep up with her pretty well. No,I have the ANTI-Pit BULL! And it's my third Pit. All were raised that way.
That's been my ENTIRE point all along. They ARE what YOU make of them. I have them to PROVE to people that they are NOT aggressive by "nature". Is she strong? Yes. But so is a Saint Bernard! But aggressive? I think you believe too much of what you hear.
My goal is to show people what great dogs and companions they can be. To show people how loving and caring these dogs are. When people knock on the door,she barks like hell. Why? So you'll open the door and she can make a new friend. It doesn't sound like that from the other side of the door. But once I open it,you see the real "Tanni Bone". She's a lover and I wouldn't want her any other way!
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Your posts make that obvious.(not far from fighting dogs) You have contemplated many times Im sure sicking them on people. (Not far from fighting dogs)
That's a flat out LIE! I have stated that Pits raised to be mean will tear a man up. But not MY dog. And I have had THREE Pits. NONE of them knew any command to "attack" anyone. That's what I try to dispell,not perpetuate.
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Im sure you and your junkyard cousin probably have a few stories of the gaurds mauling people dont you? ( Not far from fighting again) Id be willing to bet you have watched your own or others chase down and kill other animals, not saying you did it intentionally, but I would bet its happened if you have spent many years around the breed. its what they do. I would also bet you had a huge surge of pride watching your dog take something down. I know I felt that pride when my Rott took down a small doe.
Then you're a sick individual.
Once again,this is a pack of lies! I don't "hang out" with my cousin. We left that part of town and moved when I was a child. He acquired these dogs because they were going to be destroyed. Rather than see them destroyed,he saved their life to use them as gaurd dogs. I visit him maybe once every six months. I never take my dog and he's never seen my dog. Only pictures.
I've NEVER seen any of my Pits attack,kill or harm another animal. They've all HATED cats. But I've never permited any of them to harm one. I've NEVER allowed ANY of my Pits to taste blood unless they were licking a wound on their paw or something. And I've never taken my dog to my cousins because I don't trust his dogs NOT to be aggressive to mine. I don't want my dog to be harmed or pick up on aggressive traits.
My cousin has NEVER told me "stories" about his Pits accept for one. He found some flesh and ripped portions of jeans by the gate ONE time in five years. And he says he's had no break ins in over three years because people seem to fear Pits more than the other breeds he's had as Gaurd dogs in the past in his opinion. Oh yeah,big strories there!
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Just like homophobia, there is no real chance someone could be converted into a homo,, but deep seated subconscious fear is not a rational thing. The telling difference is that your not just against it, your violently against it. And so violently against it that your willing to use the same poor dogs you just want to protect as a violent tool to teach someone a lesson.
No,but anyone who is foolish enough to think fighting a Pit is like boxing? They're more than welcome to try it if they're foolish enough to go into a pen with a KNOWN vicious Pit. That much I have stated. But that in NO way describes MY dog. She doesn't have a "pen". She sleeps in a bed inside the house. She's a "house pet" a "family pet". Not a fighting or aggressive Pit Bull. I see your reading comprehension hasn't improved.
You're no Dr. Phil and obviously have NO CLUE what you're talking about here. I have a Pit for ONE REASON! To show they are good,loveable,loyal dogs.
And I've proven it THREE times in a row! I KNOW what I'm talking about first hand. You? You're just running off at the lips with no idea about me or any of the dogs I've owned obviously............
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Again, it would be interesting, but I'd rather see the scene associated with dogfighting rather than defending myself from jailhouse sodomy.
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I was curious as to how bad it really was. Soup I was refering to you as one of the people in my post above.
You are no better than anyone who attends the fight. You refer to me as being involved in dog fighting, yet I REFUSE to watch any video of it because I find it appauling (I don't have to watch to know that). You are a hypocrite and guilty. You are way more involved in dog fighting then you accuse me of - you actually took the time to watch it.
Let's see if I follow this train of thought...
If I were to watch a news piece on dog fighting, I would be as guilty as those that attended.
If I watch a news piece on the holocaust, I would be as guilty as the Nazi soldiers.
Hmm...
This thread is very enlightening in some very disappointing ways.
Seeking out another video on it purposefully would make you as guilty. Calling it a newspiece is like saying "I'm sorry officer, Im driving drunk because I'm doing a study on the effects of drunk driving." How often on newspieces have you seen Jews in a gas chamber dying FOR REAL? If you were warned about it - still watched it- then sought a video to see more - you are as guilty as Charles Manson - after all- Manson is in jail for life without ever once even stepping into the house of anyone who was killed in his name. I was accused of being involved in dogfihgting because I'm against it, that's what's funny about this whole thing.
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To answer as to why I'd like to see a dogfight:
Well, its something that is taboo in our culture---its illegal---yet, in certain parts of the world/country its something that enjoys a sort of fraternal existence. A brotherhood, it has is own underground subculture--which, as a human being, I feel that it would be interesting to witness this spectacle.
It would be interesting how I would handle an environment where two animals fight until one can no longer bare to go on. Meet these people, and gain a little perspective rather than judging it through the television lens.
So yes, I have a sort of morbid curiosity that I rationalize as an attempt to understand a very small, secretive, and deviant culture.
Tell everyone you are doing a news piece on it - this board will then find it okay for you to go.
Yes, you are correct, many people agree with you and are afraid to admit it. I laugh my butt off at stuff you right and there are times I do agree with it. No one else will admit it because they feel the need to belong to the tribe and fit in to the "cool" clique. IMO - dog fighting and UFC are equally disgusting. But unlike most, I'm smart enough to change the channel.
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J/C nobody is trying to fit into some cool "clique" your just upset because nobody seems to agree with you. 
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The more I think about it...the more I don't think that dog fighting is that bad.
First off: they are dogs---bred to be fighting dogs, trained to be fighting dogs----these aren't the kind of dogs built for fun time at home with the kids---these are dogs made to be tough--and have that killer instinct.
I would think that the voyeurism that compels many to watch UFC or download the many streetfights that you can find on the net comes into play here.
Heres a fun little idea. We train police dogs and bomb sniffing dogs to put their lives on the line for the benefit of some of us......Why can't we fight dogs for the benefit of some of us?
I'm gonna go buy myself a Mike Vick Jersey---to go with my Barry Bonds Jersey, Pacman Jones jersey and John Rocker throwback.
We should buy the dogs those jerseys to wear for the fight. Even better - we should start a gay-dog fighting ring. That'll get this board in a real uproar.
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J/C nobody is trying to fit into some cool "clique" your just upset because nobody seems to agree with you.
Obviously you have not seen enough of my posts - if you had - you'd know that I don't care if people agree with me. I state my point and don't waiver unless someone has something logical to say.
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Thats why people either 1.) Ignore your posts 2.) Try to help you understand why your wrong. At this point im just going to ignore your posts completely. 
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Here's something logical.....................
Man can CHOOSE wheather to fight or not. If they "choose to" then so be it.
Pit Bulls don't have a choice. It's forced on them by men too cowardly to do it themselves.
Big difference IMO
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2.) Try to help you understand why your wrong.
OPINIONS are NOT fact. Therefore niether you or I are wrong, we just have different views of the world.
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Here's something logical.....................
Man can CHOOSE wheather to fight or not. If they "choose to" then so be it.
Pit Bulls don't have a choice. It's forced on them by men too cowardly to do it themselves.
Big difference IMO
You are 100% correct, but I still find them equally disgusting and choose to not watch either one.
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Im not talking about this thread I mean topics in general. Should have been more clear
And all topics on this board are opinion unless dealing wih a straight up statistic or saying BRady Quinns height. Saying you think he's going to succeed because of... and someone saying I disagree because... neither one ar eright - it's all opinion.
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Here is a fact: Dog fighting is unhuman. Saying boxing is the same is ludacris. More dogs die during these fights then boxing.
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Here is a fact: Dog fighting is unhuman. Saying boxing is the same is ludacris. More dogs die during these fights then boxing.
Please show me where I said it's the same as boxing. One thing I will say is that the violence is there in both and I can see that standpoint, but overall it's different especially in terms of choice. It doesn't mean I have to like one or the other or accept one or the other. Rape is completely different thn dog-fighting, but I sure don't like the idea of either one
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To be honest Soup,I never gave it a lot of thought.
But after considering it,I watch very little "violence".
When I was much younger,I watched a lot of boxing,and in the very beginning,UFC. I watched violent movies a lot. Now? If Pacino or Dinero is in it,I still watch it.
But other than that,I rarely even watch any form of violence. I consider football a "contact sport" but not "violence". So I guess I have mellowed with age now that I reflect upon it.
I do watch a lot of news. But not "for the violence" but rather the information. I don't plan to let the world pass me by without having a clue of what's going on around me.
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No, but you replied to me which usually implies that you are speaking directly to that poster. You probably just mis-hit the reply button, I've done that many a time.
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I do watch a lot of news. But not "for the violence" but rather the information. I don't plan to let the world pass me by without having a clue of what's going on around me.
Switch to Foxnews.
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I do watch a lot of news. But not "for the violence" but rather the information. I don't plan to let the world pass me by without having a clue of what's going on around me.
JMHO
To me, knowing the lady across the street walked her dog is just as much news as knowing some freak gutted his wife. I prefer my news to be about musicians (not the stupid news) I'm talking about new releases, concerts, etc. I prefer to live my life trying to enjoy it (though I'm bad at that), rather than hear about things like Vick being accused of being involved in dog-fighting. I've never been one to be up "on the news." as I don't see what they report on as newsworthy.
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Not a big deal, one thing I hope you and others realize is that this is all a debate. I don't hate posters on here, I find some arrogant, but don't truly judge them because I've yet to meet any of them. I wish everyone on here was that way.
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Switch to Foxnews.
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