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Correct me if I'm wrong Mac, but didn't Pettine say that he wasn't going to rush gordon back in when his suspension was up last season (2014)and then did just the opposite?
Let me know what you find. That's the point, Pet said one thing then clearly did another. shanny would talk to gordon every time he saw him. asking when he gets back. pettine stayed pretty much out of the offensive side...
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Priority two will be an enormous challenge. I myself don't think JG is capable of not slipping up, but honestly - I felt he'd pull a Blackmon and slip up during his suspension and he proved me wrong. I still can't bring myself to install any faith in him. Car runs awesome until it, and inevitably, runs outta gas. Gonna be tough with JM in the locker room
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So do I. Either way it's all on him.
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Not to bash the guy, but he's delivered similar messages before. I need to see it, to believe it.
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Priority two will be an enormous challenge. I myself don't think JG is capable of not slipping up, but honestly - I felt he'd pull a Blackmon and slip up during his suspension and he proved me wrong. I still can't bring myself to install any faith in him. Car runs awesome until it, and inevitably, runs outta gas. Gonna be tough with JM in the locker room He had problems before JFF came around ...
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Yep, there's a reason he had to be acquired in the supplemental draft. His ongoing problems were documented well in his college days.
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Correct me if I'm wrong Mac, but didn't Pettine say that he wasn't going to rush gordon back in when his suspension was up last season (2014)and then did just the opposite?
Let me know what you find. That's the point, Pet said one thing then clearly did another. shanny would talk to gordon every time he saw him. asking when he gets back. pettine stayed pretty much out of the offensive side... Doesn't surprise me. Could have been Shanny that said they'd not count on him much. Dunno..One of them did say that, but then he was used and didn't play well..
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Priority two will be an enormous challenge. I myself don't think JG is capable of not slipping up, but honestly - I felt he'd pull a Blackmon and slip up during his suspension and he proved me wrong. I still can't bring myself to install any faith in him. Car runs awesome until it, and inevitably, runs outta gas. Gonna be tough with JM in the locker room I don't think JM will be in our locker room too much longer.
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I don't think JM will be in our locker room too much longer. I don't think Josh will be either.
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I don't think JM will be in our locker room too much longer. I don't think Josh will be either. I'm thinking he will be. P.S. It's interesting how this team just hooks us right back in, isn't it? I'm already ready for this coming season!
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I don't think JM will be in our locker room too much longer. I don't think Josh will be either. That will depend on Josh... JMHO but I'm guessing the plan is to welcome Josh back for his one last chance.... I would expect his leash to be about "--" that long.
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I would expect his leash to be about "--" that long. We would "hope" that he himself expects his leash to be about "--" long and should be 100% aware of his actions at all times. Grow up time. If he's given his shot here or with another team, it basically is "do or die", "sink or swim" or whatever phrase you'd like to use.
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I don't think JM will be in our locker room too much longer. I don't think Josh will be either. That will depend on Josh... JMHO but I'm guessing the plan is to welcome Josh back for his one last chance.... I would expect his leash to be about "--" that long. And that, as an article I read said, is the problem. People say that you bring him back, but don't count on him, but that's ridiculous. He is so talented that you have to count on him if he returns to the team. There just aren't many people who can do the things that he can do physically. That is the danger of Josh Gordon. He is a singular talent, and also completely unreliable to this point in his career. If you bring him back you have to count on him, so that is why the browns better be darned sure that they can count on him before investing any more time in him. If they have any question as to whether or not he is sincere about turning his life around, and dropping people he thought were his friends so he can stay out of trouble, then they take the chance. But for some to say that we can bring him back, but just don't count on him, well, those folks are just ignoring reality. Gordon can singularly change the game. He has the ability level to make bad passes look great. If he come back to the team, it can only be that they feel they can count on him. Even a game changer does no good if he is suspended, and the only thing worse than having a guy like Gordon suspended, is being lulled into thinking that you can count on him, only to have him play "fool me thrice".
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I don't think JM will be in our locker room too much longer. I don't think Josh will be either. That will depend on Josh... JMHO but I'm guessing the plan is to welcome Josh back for his one last chance.... I would expect his leash to be about "--" that long. Someone else stated it and I agree, the difference between Josh and Johnny is that Josh has, to a degree, proven he can produce huge numbers. Johnny hasn't even been able to stay healthy for 3 games in a row. Although, I will say, Johnny was fun to watch when he turned it on. And I wonder what would of/ could have happened had Josh been there as a threat to take some heat off Manziel. I really don't think we'll ever know.
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I went to the grocery store today and noticed that the price of strawberries increased.
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Its the first sign of maturity from either of the two. (Gordon/Manziel) To disassociate from his past friends that just drag him down. That is not something someone just says for posturing. That is a sign of recognition of what has kept him down. 1 his weakness and I think he has gotten stronger. but to eliminate the temptations from his past friends. Laying the law down either you with me to make me achieve my goals are you are eliminated.
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Maybe the price went up cuz JFF loves to guzzle strawberry wine.
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I went to the grocery store today and noticed that the price of strawberries increased.
It's Manziel's fault. We gotta cut him. Thanks, Obama?
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I agree with Vers, it makes no sense at this point to simply cut Manziel. There is no hurry.
I will also add JM looks like he wants out of Cleveland. What I see is a standoff of sorts. Who is going to be the first to break the ice.
I think JM needs to make that move. He needs to show up in Berea and sit down with Jackson. I don't think it is Jacksons job to ask JM to show up for a chat.
If Johnny is serious about his career in Cleveland, he mans up and makes the call.
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I agree with Vers, it makes no sense at this point to simply cut Manziel. There is no hurry.
I will also add JM looks like he wants out of Cleveland. What I see is a standoff of sorts. Who is going to be the first to break the ice.
I think JM needs to make that move. He needs to show up in Berea and sit down with Jackson. I don't think it is Jacksons job to ask JM to show up for a chat.
If Johnny is serious about his career in Cleveland, he mans up and makes the call.
JMO I agree with both points, there isn't any sense in just cutting him. That seems like a knee jerk reaction and pays no dividend at all. Waiting to see if Hue can turn him around or at the very least until the two of them have that "talk", then make a decision to trade or whatever. And yeah, I think if Manziel is wanting a career here, then he's gotta make that call. In reality, we really don't know if that call has happened. Nothing has been reported but you know how little that means.
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Why is it taking so long to have that talk? I would think it would be one of the most important things being the qb position.
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Why is it taking so long to have that talk? I would think it would be one of the most important things being the qb position. Maybe because Hue doesn't have anything to really say to Manziel except "good luck, kid"
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Good point Swish and that's probably exactly what he should tell him.
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Why is it taking so long to have that talk? I would think it would be one of the most important things being the qb position. The bouncers wont let Hue in.
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I agree with Vers, it makes no sense at this point to simply cut Manziel. There is no hurry.
I will also add JM looks like he wants out of Cleveland. What I see is a standoff of sorts. Who is going to be the first to break the ice.
I think JM needs to make that move. He needs to show up in Berea and sit down with Jackson. I don't think it is Jacksons job to ask JM to show up for a chat.
If Johnny is serious about his career in Cleveland, he mans up and makes the call.
JMO I agree with both points, there isn't any sense in just cutting him. That seems like a knee jerk reaction and pays no dividend at all. Waiting to see if Hue can turn him around or at the very least until the two of them have that "talk", then make a decision to trade or whatever. And yeah, I think if Manziel is wanting a career here, then he's gotta make that call. In reality, we really don't know if that call has happened. Nothing has been reported but you know how little that means.
Johnny is the a member of the Browns until the Browns trade him, cut him or he gets his act together and starts acting like a guy who wants to play football in Cleveland.
Personally, I would not cut him! If Johnny is playing games to get out of Cleveland or he's just so damn dumb that he can't keep himself out of the trouble, let him play his games and ruin his football career in the process.
At this point, due to his girl saying she was concerned about Johnny's "well being", the Browns might be on the hook for Johnny's mental health. There could be some provisions in the CBA or a matter of law that enters the picture and prohibits the Browns from just cutting him if he is diagnosed with mental issues.
Legally, the Browns might not be able to get rid of Johnny until he is pronounced mentally healthy or on medication for whatever condition he is diagnosed with.
The Browns should not cut him and more than likely, can't cut him at this time.
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I agree with Vers, it makes no sense at this point to simply cut Manziel. There is no hurry.
I will also add JM looks like he wants out of Cleveland. What I see is a standoff of sorts. Who is going to be the first to break the ice.
I think JM needs to make that move. He needs to show up in Berea and sit down with Jackson. I don't think it is Jacksons job to ask JM to show up for a chat.
If Johnny is serious about his career in Cleveland, he mans up and makes the call.
JMO I agree with both points, there isn't any sense in just cutting him. That seems like a knee jerk reaction and pays no dividend at all. Waiting to see if Hue can turn him around or at the very least until the two of them have that "talk", then make a decision to trade or whatever. And yeah, I think if Manziel is wanting a career here, then he's gotta make that call. In reality, we really don't know if that call has happened. Nothing has been reported but you know how little that means. Waiting to see what JF does on Hues behalf is scary. If I were Hue, back in charge, JF isn't the anchor I'd want to set sail with. I think cutting him asap makes the most sense and would send the right message to the locker room amongst other things. Drugs, alcohol, domestic abuse and many situations made public and etc regarding all that. We clearly worked with the kid last two years,there's nothing left to wait on. At some point you gotta say *man we tried with you but...* We cannot afford to wait around and hinge hope he'll pull his head outta his arse. Pressure is present to improve and succeed NOW.
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Ditto. I hope he means it and lives it; otherwise, I'll be happy to help him pack his bags when we toss him out. I'm all for people taking the reins of a 2nd chance, and I'm all for burning at the stake those who don't.
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... on medication for whatever condition he is diagnosed with. [/color] There are medications for stupidity, for immaturity out now? Thorazine?
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I think cutting him (JM) asap makes the most sense and would send the right message to the locker room amongst other things. Drugs, alcohol, domestic abuse and many situations made public But cutting Josh Gordon to send the same message is out of the question?  You guys crack me up.
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... on medication for whatever condition he is diagnosed with. [/color] There are medications for stupidity, for immaturity out now? ? Used to treat conditions somewhat more severe than noted above... 
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I don't think JM will be in our locker room too much longer. I don't think Josh will be either. That will depend on Josh... JMHO but I'm guessing the plan is to welcome Josh back for his one last chance.... I would expect his leash to be about "--" that long. And that, as an article I read said, is the problem. People say that you bring him back, but don't count on him, but that's ridiculous. He is so talented that you have to count on him if he returns to the team. There just aren't many people who can do the things that he can do physically. That is the danger of Josh Gordon. He is a singular talent, and also completely unreliable to this point in his career. If you bring him back you have to count on him, so that is why the browns better be darned sure that they can count on him before investing any more time in him. If they have any question as to whether or not he is sincere about turning his life around, and dropping people he thought were his friends so he can stay out of trouble, then they take the chance. But for some to say that we can bring him back, but just don't count on him, well, those folks are just ignoring reality. Gordon can singularly change the game. He has the ability level to make bad passes look great. If he come back to the team, it can only be that they feel they can count on him. Even a game changer does no good if he is suspended, and the only thing worse than having a guy like Gordon suspended, is being lulled into thinking that you can count on him, only to have him play "fool me thrice". You're assuming he can still DO those things on a football field. There is no guarantee he can even play now. Been a LONG time since he was in football shape. For all we know he might never get it back. Even if he does, while physically gifted he is mentally deficient. Meathead is a distraction and a liability. Best thing for the team would be to cut him the minute we are allowed to. Hope that's what we do.
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I think cutting him (JM) asap makes the most sense and would send the right message to the locker room amongst other things. Drugs, alcohol, domestic abuse and many situations made public But cutting Josh Gordon to send the same message is out of the question? You guys crack me up. Don't lump me in that group, I believe Gordon reinstated becomes our biggest asset to trade and get something with. I'm known here supporting getting him off the team too. Faith cannot be instilled in either those kids and in my eyes (and perhaps my eyes alone) that's the end of the story. More faith you extend out for those two, the tighter the noose around the neck becomes until you just end up suffocating yourself!
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I think cutting him (JM) asap makes the most sense and would send the right message to the locker room amongst other things. Drugs, alcohol, domestic abuse and many situations made public But cutting Josh Gordon to send the same message is out of the question? You guys crack me up. Don't lump me in that group, I believe Gordon reinstated becomes our biggest asset to trade and get something with. I'm known here supporting getting him off the team too. Don't give me that BS, I read your posts. You're not for cutting Josh like you are for cutting JF? You just said Josh's asset to trade is higher which is not true, you have it wrong. The NFL is a QB driven league and a QB even with issues will always bring more value than a three time suspended WR in a trade. IMO you cut the WR to send a message to the locker room and work on trading the QB or keep him.
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I think cutting him (JM) asap makes the most sense and would send the right message to the locker room amongst other things. Drugs, alcohol, domestic abuse and many situations made public But cutting Josh Gordon to send the same message is out of the question? You guys crack me up. Don't lump me in that group, I believe Gordon reinstated becomes our biggest asset to trade and get something with. I'm known here supporting getting him off the team too. Don't give me that BS, I read your posts. You're not for cutting Josh like you are for cutting JF? You just said Josh's asset to trade is higher which is not true, you have it wrong. The NFL is a QB driven league and a QB even with issues will always bring more value than a three time suspended WR in a trade. IMO you cut the WR to send a message to the locker room and work on trading the QB or keep him. IDK, i'll just say none of that post really makes sense. I'm for cutting both of them and getting them both off the team. I'm more aware, despite your "logic", that we could have a better chance of trading JG because hte kid has actually balled out and had that one killer season with three QBs throwing to him, etc. JF hasn't done squat, so even wondering if you could get a conditional 7th, (to me, JMO, so chill) seems outta the realm of possibility. But hey, let's not leave it to chance. Who would rather take a risk on a undersized QB domestic abuse driven alcoholic/druggie QB with reminaing question marks on the field (and off) over a WR with drug/alcohol issues that has had success and likely could be plugged into any offense and become the focal point? I think you have it wrong, but to each their own. I hope we get them both off the team honestly, just I feel JG could get us something back in return.
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