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I watch some Foxnews and MSNBC. I like to get both sides of an issue. I heard today that Thompson plans to run for president!

(getting ready to post an article about it now)


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That's been my ENTIRE point all along. They ARE what YOU make of them. I have them to PROVE to people that they are NOT aggressive by "nature". Is she strong? Yes. But so is a Saint Bernard! But aggressive? I think you believe too much of what you hear.





Of course they are, no one said otherwise. Your just flat out making things up now huh? Thats really beneath you.

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That's a flat out LIE!




BS just in this thread you were throwing me to them, maybe not your dog. But a pit nonethelss. Im sure this isnt the first time thats ever popped into your head and so is everyone else that read it.

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No,but anyone who is foolish enough to think fighting a Pit is like boxing?





Are you on meds dude, your really not getting much lately.

Dog vs Dog compared to man vs man is similair, not a mix of the 2.

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And I've proven it THREE times in a row! I KNOW what I'm talking about first hand. You? You're just running off at the lips with no idea about me or any of the dogs I've owned obviously




Really, Id say most wouldnt seem to think that who read your "warning posts" if you want to call it "warning" And your right, Ive never personally had a Pit, I dont care for them, I like my Rotties. They have stayed true to the breed as originally intended.


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we should start a gay-dog fighting ring. That'll get this board in a real uproar.





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Here is a fact: Dog fighting is unhuman. Saying boxing is the same is ludacris. More dogs die during these fights then boxing.




First its inhumane. Secondly I agree. They likely do lose more dogs, making it deadlier, if you only want to use deaths as the measure than yea boxing is somewhat better than dogfighting. How many dogs are brain damaged vegetables though?

Similair is not equal to the same.


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BS just in this thread you were throwing me to them, maybe not your dog. But a pit nonethelss. Im sure this isnt the first time thats ever popped into your head and so is everyone else that read it.




Here you go. Here's that "quote" you claim. I said you can "step into their yard". Nobody EVER suggested "throwing" you to them. Once again,that's a lie and here's the quote to prove it.

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I know a few people who have MEAN one's. If you think it's the same as boxing? Step into THEIR yard! When you come out with 200 stitches and a few less digits on each hand,tell me how JUST LIKE BOXING




There's where you "claim" I was going to "throw you to them". That is a lie. Giving someone an "invitation" to do something stupid if they so choose,isn't "throwing you" to anything. What a drama queen.


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Are you on meds dude, your really not getting much lately.





I just get fed up with immature,childish posters who use school yard lines and out right lies and call that a debate.


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Really, Id say most wouldnt seem to think that who read your "warning posts" if you want to call it "warning"




I posted it here. Everyone can see it wasn't any kind of "warning". Accept rocket scientists like you.


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And your right, Ive never personally had a Pit, I dont care for them, I like my Rotties. They have stayed true to the breed as originally intended.




Like I said earlier,you said you were "proud" when it killed a fawn? You don't deserve to own one. You're the kind of guy that makes these breeds look bad if you take any kind of "pride" in that.


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I posted it here. Everyone can see it wasn't any kind of "warning".


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Now can you explain how WARNING someone the dogs are vicious


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tell me how JUST LIKE BOXING it is when someone rescues you from death






Since your so all knowing maybe I should just follow your lead and


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You know since your so wise and mature maybe I should just follow your lead and report people making threats with Pitbulls, hows that sound?

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Sounds fine since I didn't make one.


Knock yourself out.

Uh oh. I threattened you with yourself. I can hear the squad car coming now.....................

Pulease............



I'll print out the entire thread so they can have a good laugh when they get here. They can help me feed Tanni Bone some dog biscuits while they're here.


Just want to let you know,they frown on false reports,so be carefull who you call and what you say......................


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See you talk about Drama, but except for you and Diam there wasnt any drama in this thread, the rest of us managed to disagree and debate without the BS you and Diam brought. Except unlike Diam you kept at it this whole time.

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Thanks for the tip, but I have a couple in my family. My family that stayed in Ohio actually. Great guy too. So I tend to know what they frown upon.

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Theres been so much damn arguing that I forget what people were upset about in the first place

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Theres been so much damn arguing that I forget what people were upset about in the first place




I dared to ask for someones explanation of how dog fighting was worse than boxing. And then of course poor Pitt went through the roof.


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Theres been so much damn arguing that I forget what people were upset about in the first place




It had something to do with midget jello wrestling. Pit found it erotic while Rage found it disturbing

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I'm not even commenting on Vick or the Dogfighting !!!

But for all you P.E.T.A people ,why don't you research them before telling them just how great they are.

Like the head Vet in one state that would come into work before people got there just to come into work every morning and kill dogs for no reason sometimes 14 dogs before work started.

It is the truth you can look it up..

Or the P.E.T.A employes that killed dogs and put them in bags and thew them in some stores garbage container . Look it up .

Oh Yea PETA is great . Read about the rest of the stuff they did


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I have a passion for this breed of dog.
I hate the reputation they have gotten from the abuse of man.

It's VERY simple. Men can make choices to have their brains beat out if they so choose. Dogs can't speak. They can't choose.

And did you know that in some states they have banned Pit Bulls all together because of this? Somebody HAS to stand up for this breed before they are banned all together. I'm one of those people who stand up for them.

So yes,I'm VERY passionate about it. Comparing it to boxing in ANY way makes no sense. They have no choice. Now if that bothers you that I feel so strongly about this subject,I can't help you.

When I was younger,in high school,I met people who had fighting Pits. I was shocked at their poor condition and how they trained and treated these animals.

Mine is laying on my bed watching me type this almost as though she knows what I'm posting about. Not that she does,but she's a very loving and caring dog. And I have made this a mission of mine to try to "show people" just how great these dogs can be.

So yes,when you try to accuse me of deriving satisfaction from the things I hate,it upsets me. When you trivialize something of such importance to me,yes it upsets me. I've owned a Pit Bull for over 25 years. This one being my third.

So you go on and get your jollies trying to rile people over their passions. And you go on and accuse people of things they haven't done if that's the way you derive your pleasure. But this is one topic I don't back down from

If you had seen what I have seen,you might understand,I can't say. But I've always loved dogs. And what I saw almost 30 years ago still haunts me today. I can still see those dogs in my mind. It's something I really don't think you understand from your replies and that's fine.

But I do. And it's just plain WRONG to do that to those animals. If my feelings on the subjecxt are something you don't care for,I really don't care. Because I've seen those dogs. And I see mine laying there on the bed. And it gives me a good feeling. To help this breed in any way I can gives me a good feeling.

Because man makes choices in his life that help control his fortunes or misfortuines in many cases. Dogs don't have that choice. It is up to the "owner of an animal" to be responsible and make good choices for theie animals.

And abusing animals for sport and or personal gain,is not being responsible. I am a guy who stands up for those animals. Because I've seen what man can do to them due to their greed and lust for blood.

If you don't think that's important,that's fine. But I do. So you can do with that as you please...........................


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I just dont see why animal lovers love a group that kills animals for a buisness .



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My younger brothers girlfriend is a PETA member--you should of seen her when she came to our house one time and found a skinned deer carcass hanging in the garage. She freaked!!!

It was hilarious.


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The same reason dog fighting is illegal while hunting for SPORT is legal.

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I guess I fail to see your point?
Who has advocated PETA on this thread?

I'm just one man who is fighting to preserve the Pit Bull breed in America. I'm not a PETA supporter. Where's the connection here?

I understand that in most cases,they're far more interested in "political power" than animals.


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So yes,I'm VERY passionate about it. Comparing it to boxing in ANY way makes no sense. They have no choice. Now if that bothers you that I feel so strongly about this subject,I can't help you.




Doesnt bother me at all that you feel strongly about it. I would feel the same in situations that were more directly related to Rotties. Your love for your dog isnt the problem I had with you in this thread. I think you know that. But if you really think a 10 year old Mike Tyson had a choice, or the ability to make an informed choice, I disagree

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So you go on and get your jollies trying to rile people over their passions. And you go on and accuse people of things they haven't done if that's the way you derive your pleasure. But this is one topic I don't back down from




Rile you? dude you came late to this party already riled I would say. And adressed me first. I certainly didnt seek you out to rile you. I had a 155 pound Rotty and I never threatened or even suggested to anyone what it could do to them. Although most wouldnt come within 10 feet of him even when you pointed out the wagging stump. So you might want to consider who came in riling who. I loved my dog probably more than nearly anything else in my life at the time. And I wouldnt have fought him for anything. I gather you feel the same. Just to clarify on the doe not fawn, he was out with us and just went, there was no stopping it, But yea I was amazed at his speed and power fully unleashed.
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But I do. And it's just plain WRONG to do that to those animals.




Of course its wrong, I never said or sugested that it wasnt. Although I would still say some of you are stuck on the Peta PR campaign pics, and of course they are horrible. I was trying to talk more about professional fighting, things like the 2 links I provided. Where you have a prized dog who is well kept, because you want him to be healthy and powerful. Not to say or suggest that it is good in that scenario, but its not the same as the things Peta shows. Athletes dont have starved uncared for dogs with skin disease. And thats the end of it I was trying to discuss, not that it is much better, but it is better than the Peta pics, half of wich arent even from fighting dogs, but just neglect and abuse. There is a difference. Not that it makes it much more acceptable. But I would have to say its not quite as vile as the Peta stuff.


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I'd like to witness a dog fight sometime, just to say I did. I'm sure it would be INTENSE. Afterward, I don't know how I'd feel about it. But I sure would be able to chalk it up as another life expreience.




You need to think about your statement.

There are many other "life experiences" that I would prefer over watching 2 dogs fight to the death.

It is not a "life experience", it is a death experience, put on as a form of "entertainment" and something that we can do without being a willing participant.


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saw it also. It was on Espn.com. Im not a PETA member either but they got a nice e-mail from me

Someone wrote this and after i went back and re read it i misunderstood it. thought they wrote PETA.

Thats why i brought it up.

I aint touching this thread about the dogfighting or the breed for the fact none these people but maybe 2-3 have a thread of knowledge about the breed or the TRUE history .



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Here's a code I live by and I think ALL Pit Bull owners should live by. It's what will create an environment of understanding of the Pit Bull Breed........................

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I will train and socialize my dog to be a good ambassador of the breed.

I will neither allow my dog off-leash in public nor take my dog to dog parks.

I will not allow my dog to exhibit aggressive behavior.

I will spay or neuter my dog.

I will not chain my dog.

I will not crop my dog's ears or tail, make it wear a spiked collar, name it "Killer", or do anything else to make my dog appear vicious.
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I will take full responsibility for any accidents caused by my dog.

I will stand up for my dog.

I will fight breed-specific legislation with a passion.

I will not breed or buy; I will adopt.

I will be active in, or supportive of, pit bull rescue efforts.

I will educate myself and others about dog behavior and the pit bull breed-type.

I will educate myself and others about dog bite safety and effective non-breed-specific dangerous dog legislation.

If my dog is exhibiting behavior problems, I will seek professional assistance immediately.

If my dog does something wonderful, I will make sure everyone knows about it, including the media.

I understand that owning a dog is a lifelong commitment.

I will give my dog food, water, shelter, and proper veterinary care.

I will follow the letter of the law.

I will love my dog with all my heart.


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Well Pit,
You know I came across this article and thought of you. I mean since our last chat, I thought I better order you that "understanding eye dog".

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/29/vick0604/index.html

Again, I'm not saying I'm for dog fighting nor M.Vick but this is more prevalent than you might think. Also look at the portion about breeders and what are considered champs! Like I said, this is more the norm in the pit world than champs being described as show dogs. The AKC does recognize pits, the UKC does if you go to most breeders sites, they do not mention the UKC that much. But you are a good Pit owner and that list of yours, #2 is almost a required must!

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So you're saying because "someone close to Vick" and some in the "subculture" try to excuse it,defend it and say they "see nothing wrong with it" that somehow makes it "common in that part of the country"?

No,it doesn't. Just rationalizations and excuses for people to commit a felony. And when did I see say "breeders" never bred Pits for fighting and fighting strains? Because they do.

Not "licensed,registered" breeders. Not UKC breeders. But more of your "subculture club".

People are stopping this. People are turmning them in. And this case will,in the end,wind up the same way. This is nothing more than a bunch of rich athletes,rappers and gangsters getting their thrills the true "punk way".

By abusing animals to get their jollies. Yes,fighting Pits IS animal abuse! It's punk actions like these that are giving the breed a bad name. And they will,maybe slowly,but eventually brought to justice.

Now if you want to buy into some cheap excuses to try to "justify" this,that's your perrogative. But even CLOSE to normal human beings do NOT condone,or excuse such behavior,just because some rich punks wish to make excuses for abusing animals.

A small sub culture of the criminal element,do not speak for the breed. And it's not the "norm" in ANY part of our country.

That's half the problem with this country now. They accept street slang as English and they accept rich spoiled athletes,rappers and gangsters stupidity and excuses as "normal behavior" when in reality,nothing is further from the truth..................


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Pretty good code to live by, or at least try to. Thats a pretty challenging task to accomplish all of them.


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I really think "most opf those rules" should apply to all pet owners. The only main difference is that due to man and legislation,we just have to go the extra mile for the love of the breed. For me,it's a labor of love!



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Since you are so vocal in your defense of this "gentle " dog I thought I'd do a little digging and try and find out for myself whether or not these animals get a bad rap. After wadding through a bunch of " pits are misunderstood animals " I came across this site. There is alot of reading here and some interesting facts.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm

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After reading this it appears that alot of these attacks could have been prevented had the owners used a little common sense . With that being said these are still dangerous animals or maybe a better way of phrasing it would be these are potentially Very dangerous animals. If a collie attacks you really it isn't that big of a deal . The same attack involving a Pit or Rott type would have a very different outcome. For you to say they aren't more dangerous than other dogs is flat out UNTRUE so although I appreciate your love for the breed the simple fact is ....they are a breed of dog that when they choose to attack are way more likely to kill/maim the victim. You'll disagree and that is your right but dude, facts are facts so please save the "Pits are gentle giant argument for someone else ".

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Their bite IS more dangerous. And how many people were "attacked" by ankle biters that "didn't report it".

And let's face it Ire,PEOPLE have made many of them mean. Are you blaming the "dog" or the people?

That's the entire problem. People try to "make them mean". People "teach them" to be aggressive. What you are seeing,hearing and reading about,are such dogs.

IMO-What you are saying is,FAR more people get killed by 45 caliber bullets than 22 bullets because 45 bullets do far more damage. Therefore,outlaw 45 bullets.

It's not the bullets responsible for the killing,it's the people firing those bullets. It's very much the same with Pit Bulls. When you "make one a weapon" it becomes a very effective one.

Make one your friend,you make a friend for its life. They are dangerous dogs in the wrong hands (much like that .45 I mentioned)

The problem,if you think about it,are these irresponsible people who teach them to be mean,are the same irresponsible people responsible for these attacks by not controling their dogs. Let's place the blame where the blame lies.

They can be a gentle,loving animal,or a mean machine,but please,quit blaming animals for the act of humans.


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My cousin had a Pit---very well behaved---had it for years, then when he had a kid the thing turned nasty toward the child--so he had it put it down.

Pits can still turn on people no matter how "well-behaved" the owner claims they are. Everytime you here about a Pit attacking someone, you always hear about how "it was such a good dog, and this is totally out of character." Bottomline, an animal can turn on someone, and it only takes a few minutes of angry pit and a child---and, well, you get the idea.


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What you describe is a characteristic of MANY dogs!

Often times,when a couple has no children,the family dog gets all of the attention. When a child is born,the dog no longer gets the attention.

The dog becomes jealous and quite out of character often times. In many cases,the dog takes quite well to the child. In other cases,you see just what you've described. There's nothing "breed specific" about what you described whatsoever. All breeds can and do have that very same reaction in many cases.

No matter the breed,ANY dog that shows those tendancies should FIRSTLY be seen if they can be found a suiteable home WITHOUT children.If not you need to keep that dog (no matter the breed) out of the home and away from the child at all costs.

And in the VAST MAJORITY of the time,you can place a dog like that in a home WITH children if the couple do not plan on having more children.provided the dog always liked children BEFORE you had the new baby Which I suppose sounds crazy to you,but it works and there's sound reasoning why it works.

You see,the dog you described grew up in an environment. He adjusted to the environment he was "brought into" In his world,he was the center of attention around that household and that was his position. Then,the environment he ajusted to,took a drastic change. His place in the "pack",which is a dogs mentality,was completly changed and the dogs entire world and position within the household changed.

Now,if the dog always got along with children BEFORE this couple had the baby,then it's not "children" he doesn't like. It's that he feels this baby replaced his position within the "pack". It would be rather disconserting to him and as I said,some dogs accept that,and some dogs don't.

But if you take that same dog,place him in a home where there are already three kids,the dog is a stranger to the "new pack". By the very nature of the dog,he "needs to be accepted" by the new "pack" (family) So it is "by his nature" to find his own place within the pack and as a member in the pack.

So he isn't being "replaced or challenged" for his position within a long standing pack he's been part of. In this new house he has to "find his position" within an existing pack.

I've known people with "other breeds" that the EXACT same thing has happenned. So let's not "pretend" that it's just Pits who react that way.

In all honesty,if I were married and had a "newborn",I think MY dog would be jealous! Hell,I KNOW she would! When I have a date come to the house and we sit together,Tanni always tries to squeeze her way between us.

But,she's never aggressive towards them. But my grandchildren are not "my kids". They do not take my personal attention away from her 24/7 like my own newborn would. I'm fairly confident she would be fine bacuse of her nature overall,but there are no garuntees.

The difference is,I understand that it is the EXACT SAME situation no matter which breed of dog I had. You on the other hand seem not to realise this and attempt to make it a "breed specific issue" which it most certainly is not.


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