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Well you have shown to be pretty Low Class in this thread. In regards to you ridiculing me. If that is what turns you on.
His turn for the worse came with a rapid flow of incidents. Starting with his placement on IR.
soon to be followed by our Staff going to be fired.
Then came the oh screw it and trip to Vegas.....just rolled down him from there.
Your claims were not correct at the time you made them. Yet you revel like you are brilliant in this young man's demise.
I guess you are the type who kicks there dog after they have hit by a car or something.
As I said you showed how classless you are.
What a shame about this young man.
In that snow ball we had LaBron cutting ties from him...
His GF leaving him,
His team going to leave him
His father begging for help or else he thinks he will lose his life.
His Agent party ways with him...man how bad is that. Then again PB I guess you are in the same class as agents...lol
Everyone saying HE NEEDS HELP...and yet nobody making a move to get him help. Just cutting distance with him...All these false friendships. I fee bad for him.
Sad very Sad.
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C Well you have shown to be pretty Low Class in this thread. In regards to you ridiculing me. If that is what turns you on.
His turn for the worse came with a rapid flow of incidents. Starting with his placement on IR.
soon to be followed by our Staff going to be fired.
Then came the oh screw it and trip to Vegas.....just rolled down him from there.
Your claims were not correct at the time you made them. Yet you revel like you are brilliant in this young man's demise.
I guess you are the type who kicks there dog after they have hit by a car or something.
As I said you showed how classless you are.
What a shame about this young man.
In that snow ball we had LaBron cutting ties from him...
His GF leaving him,
His team going to leave him
His father begging for help or else he thinks he will lose his life.
His Agent party ways with him...man how bad is that. Then again PB I guess you are in the same class as agents...lol
Everyone saying HE NEEDS HELP...and yet nobody making a move to get him help. Just cutting distance with him...All these false friendships. I fee bad for him.
Sad very Sad.
jmho EO, I believe if you /we truly knew the entirety of this hot mess, we would come to understand that every person you mentioned and more attempted to "help" JM. He needs to want it. That will come in his own time, nobody elses. I believe he had many, many opportunities and people to " help" him. He does not want it.....yet. From One Day At A Time In Al-anon: "God grant me the wisdom to recognize the faults I am building into a wall, such a wall as cannot be permeated ~ even by love." P. 257
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Yeah I did, Sad is the best word I can thin of also. I hope the kid doesn't die.
He is screaming for HELP by his actions.
The sad part is Everyone I assume us included say - We hope he gets the help HE NEEDS...but we are cutting ties with him.
LaBron, Us, Cowboys, his Agent for crying out loud. All the same thing - ummm bye but we are humanitarians...he needs help.
Gee thanks somebody help him... even the dad was asking for the Police to arrest him or put him under observation.
What a shame. How he recovers regardless if he ever plays the game or not.
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Bottom line is football is the least of his worries right now. He's spiraling
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He is screaming for HELP by his actions.
I disagree. I think his actions scream he needs help. I assume he personally, doesn't think he needs help..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Manziel is surely gone. It might be time to put down the pitchforks and pray for him and those close to him. Can he be put on some "disability/injured" list or whatever instead of being simply cut? Vers is right - it's time to end the destructive criticism and reach out to him for support instead. Most, if not all, of us underestimated the severity of his problem...
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ok...I'll contact you the next time I post on the subject to make sure I get it right. 
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Well, i'm trying to figure out if rock bottom will ever really happen for this guy?
i mean....say he doesn't get another nfl gig from here on out.
....and? he's still a rich kid. he probably has some sort of trust fund, probably will get an inheritance, or just take over the family business.
he had plenty of money to go party prior to being a nfl player.
so what's gonna stop him?
and what's up with Texas and these affluenza kids?
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Everyone saying HE NEEDS HELP...and yet nobody making a move to get him help. Just cutting distance with him...All these false friendships. I fee bad for him.
Not true. The Browns tried to help him. His dad tried to help him. I can almost guarantee his agent did also. You can't help someone that won't accept help.
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Everyone saying HE NEEDS HELP...and yet nobody making a move to get him help. Just cutting distance with him...All these false friendships. I fee bad for him.
His family has attempted to help, twice in fact, in the past week. Johnny not accepting the help is the problem. The family first tried Saturday afternoon to get Manziel, 23, to agree to go to the Enterhealth Ranch addiction facility in Van Alstyne, but he would not stay.
Paul Manziel said that he tried to have his son admitted Tuesday to Carrollton Springs Hospital, but that Johnny was allowed to leave. Paul Manziel said that he is upset that his son was allowed to walk away after Paul told a Denton County Sherriff officer that he believed Johnny to be suicidal. Carrollton Springs is a 45-bed psychiatric and chemical dependency hospital in Carrollton, providing inpatient and outpatient treatment to adults suffering from mental illness and/or addiction, according to its website.And the Browns have reached out to help in personally as well.... Ian Rapper tVerified account @RapSheet Jimmy Haslam tells us he has tried to reach out to Johnny Manziel several times and got no response. He appeared frustrated, emotional. Tweet
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Well, i'm trying to figure out if rock bottom will ever really happen for this guy?
i mean....say he doesn't get another nfl gig from here on out.
....and? he's still a rich kid. he probably has some sort of trust fund, probably will get an inheritance, or just take over the family business.
he had plenty of money to go party prior to being a nfl player.
so what's gonna stop him? This will depend entirely on his family. It's like the story of when he was in HS and his dad bought him a nice car to quit drinking his junior and senior year... Johnny didn't last long and the car was taken and sold.. but his father still provided him with an old truck to get around. So if Johnny's objective was to get to school, get to practice, get to his parties.. so he had an old truck instead of a new car... is that really that big of a punishment?
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What's really sad is that half this board still thinks that somehow he's going to be our week one starter and that there's no proof he's done anything wrong. Prove that comment. Look at this thread..........are half the posters saying what you just claimed? It's not even close. What's sad is that a guy might be suicidal and have mental illness, and some of you are still intent on piling on. I know I will get flamed for this... but I am almost to the point hat we need to NOT cut him.... and this is not about football, its about a person needing structure and close to going waay of the deep end. losing football could be that last straw, I have a friend that was forced to fire an employee.. the employee pleaded with him but due to that employee's actions ( theft ) he had no choice, he employee committed suicide because he lost his job,,,,tragic for him, his family but also my friend.. he still has not gotten over it. Johnny may be close to that kind of despair.
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He is screaming for HELP by his actions.
I disagree. I think his actions scream he needs help. I assume he personally, doesn't think he needs help.. I would agree completely with you TG. He is most likely still viewing everyone else as the problem -- "if only they'd all just get off my back" or "if only everyone else would just do things the way I think they should be done". It's all too common to the point of being cliche'. Help has been offered multiple times, and subsequently rejected multiple times -- he clearly does not see himself as having a problem, much less being at the point where he realizes that he is the problem, yet.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...iel-no-response
Haslam: Browns reached out to Manziel, no response
SAN FRANCISCO -- With Johnny Manziel embroiled in another controversy-fueled offseason, he has yet to go on the record -- even with the Cleveland Browns.
Team owner Jimmy Haslam told reporters on Friday that he hasn't been to reach the quarterback.
"Johnny has not responded to us, but we'll do anything we can to help him personally and our thoughts and prayers are with Johnny and his family," Haslam said. "We're not worried about Johnny Manziel the football player, we're worried about Johnny Manziel the person, and I think that's all we need to say on the issue."
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport tweeted that Haslam "appeared frustrated" and "emotional" as he spoke about the young player.
Manziel's ex-girlfriend claimed the Browns signal-caller struck her "several times" during an argument on Saturday night, according to an incident report released Thursday by the Fort Worth (Texas) Police Department. After the report was released, the Fort Worth and Dallas police departments, which were investigating the alleged incident, confirmed to NFL Media that Manziel will not face charges.
"We've reached out several times since all this came out just last Saturday, just as we would any other player, and I think it's enough said on the issue," Haslam said. "I think it's a personal issue now, it's not a football issue."
On the football front, though, Manziel's once soaring star has tumbled to earth. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported this week that Cleveland will release the signal-caller on March 9. The team released a strongly worded statement after the quarterback's latest incident and, on Friday, his agent, Erik Burkhardt, announced that he has parted ways with the 2014 first-round pick.
Manziel's father, Paul, told the Dallas Morning News on Friday: "I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday."
The NFL is also "looking into" Manziel's latest troubles and, per a league spokesman, plans to have NFL security contact Manziel's ex-girlfriend and her family as part of their investigation into last weekend's incident.
No matter what I think of Haslam, at least the Browns are still making an attempt to help.
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I disagree wholeheartedly.
We need to take care of us. We also need to do our part in ushering him toward the point where he will finally WANT help... and that requires hitting rock bottom.
We part ways professionally - cut all ties; he has family & friends that will be his support group. It's not our place to prop him up.
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Giving him something he wants just enables his behavior.
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I know I will get flamed for this... but I am almost to the point hat we need to NOT cut him.... and this is not about football, its about a person needing structure and close to going waay of the deep end.
losing football could be that last straw, I'm not going to flame you for being a human being. I might feel differently if this was a guy like Josh Gordon, who doesn't have much of a support network and without his NFL money would be left with nothing... Manziel has parents who seem to care deeply about him, they have the means to get him the help he needs... and the Browns have a business to run. If Jimmy wanted to help him outside of the structure of the Browns or if there is something they can do for him, I'd consider it... but the Browns need to get on with the business of building a competitive football team.
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Everyone saying HE NEEDS HELP...and yet nobody making a move to get him help. Just cutting distance with him...All these false friendships. I fee bad for him.
Not true. The Browns tried to help him. His dad tried to help him. I can almost guarantee his agent did also. You can't help someone that won't accept help. That's true but his family needs to keep trying to get him to accept help.
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I know I will get flamed for this... but I am almost to the point hat we need to NOT cut him.... and this is not about football, its about a person needing structure and close to going waay of the deep end.
losing football could be that last straw, I'm not going to flame you for being a human being. I might feel differently if this was a guy like Josh Gordon, who doesn't have much of a support network and without his NFL money would be left with nothing... Manziel has parents who seem to care deeply about him, they have the means to get him the help he needs... and the Browns have a business to run. If Jimmy wanted to help him outside of the structure of the Browns or if there is something they can do for him, I'd consider it... but the Browns need to get on with the business of building a competitive football team. I appreciate your understanding my pov, I agree the browns are not a philanthropic organization.... I guess I am just saddened by a person being cut loose without direction, I wish there was something they could do, but you and prp and cjae are probably right
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Considering the NFL is registered as a charity organization it seems they should have some kind of help for him.
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j/c: .@rlopezwfaa told @BullandFox a source told her Manziel ex-GF Colleen Crowley's eardrum was burst as result of him hitting her
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Eve...the problem is not finding help for Johnny..it is getting him to agree to some kind of help.
It sound like his family has been very close twice, but each time Johnny would not stay.
It sounds like many are attempting to reach out to JM..maybe even the NFL.
Hopefully someone can talk him into accepting professional help.
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memp...in the police report, I believe she said she was hit in the ear and could not hear out of it.
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Tarrant Co. Judge states,"The court finds there is reason to believe that family violence occurred." Protective order issued in Manziel case A judge has signed a protective order keeping Johnny Manziel away from his girlfriend for 2 years and ordered him to pay 12k in legal fees.
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Tarrant Co. Judge states,"The court finds there is reason to believe that family violence occurred." Protective order issued in Manziel case A judge has signed a protective order keeping Johnny Manziel away from his girlfriend for 2 years and ordered him to pay 12k in legal fees. all the girls fault... all pettines fault... all the browns fault... i have never saw a place with so many people with so little common sense as this board. oh the chief cheerleader with no common sense 
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This sounds like its from theonion.com, but it isn't: 'JOHNNY MANZIEL I DID NOT HIT MY GIRLFRIEND or Threaten Suicide'http://www.tmz.com/2016/02/04/johnny-man.../#ixzz3zL9EcivZ2/4/2016 3:16 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF Johnny Manziel tells TMZ Sports ... he did NOT strike his ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley during a January 30th dispute saying bluntly, "It didn't happen." When asked about the police report which says he allegedly threatened to kill himself during the dispute, Johnny denied that too ... adding, "I'm completely stable. I'm safe and secure." It's interesting ... according to the police reports, as cops interviewed Colleen at her home she became irritated with the officer's questions and became "increasingly uncooperative." She also refused to allow cops to photograph her alleged injuries. Johnny added, "I have great things coming ahead" ... though he didn't expand on what those things are. "I know I've been having fun but I just need to get my body right." "I'm 100% committed to playing football."
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Tarrant Co. Judge states,"The court finds there is reason to believe that family violence occurred." Protective order issued in Manziel case A judge has signed a protective order keeping Johnny Manziel away from his girlfriend for 2 years and ordered him to pay 12k in legal fees. all the girls fault... all pettines fault... all the browns fault... i have never saw a place with so many people with so little common sense as this board. oh the chief cheerleader with no common sense There are so many grammatical errors in this sentence that my head really wants to explode... I understand that this is a message board, but trying to prove a point about common sense is futile and hypocritical when you don't use words in the proper context or you don't even spell things correctly and use proper capitalization and punctuation...
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Nh This sounds like its from theonion.com, but it isn't: 'JOHNNY MANZIEL I DID NOT HIT MY GIRLFRIEND or Threaten Suicide'http://www.tmz.com/2016/02/04/johnny-man.../#ixzz3zL9EcivZ2/4/2016 3:16 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF Johnny Manziel tells TMZ Sports ... he did NOT strike his ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley during a January 30th dispute saying bluntly, "It didn't happen." When asked about the police report which says he allegedly threatened to kill himself during the dispute, Johnny denied that too ... adding, "I'm completely stable. I'm safe and secure." It's interesting ... according to the police reports, as cops interviewed Colleen at her home she became irritated with the officer's questions and became "increasingly uncooperative." She also refused to allow cops to photograph her alleged injuries. Johnny added, "I have great things coming ahead" ... though he didn't expand on what those things are. "I know I've been having fun but I just need to get my body right." "I'm 100% committed to playing football." Oh, and we've heard something like that before. He needs to put his big money where his big mouth is and start walking the walk. "Help" doesn't work for those who need it, it works for those who want it.
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So sad...
My thoughts are yes the browns need to cut him but if I'm Haslam I'm still trying to reach out to see if there is anything I can do.... If the kid doesn't respond there's not much else you can do, but I think I'd still try to help in anyway I can even after letting him go.
Kid needs serious help. His dad needs to figure out a way to get him the help he needs
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What's sad is, from the reports... he ruptured her eardrum. She will never hear out of that ear again. You can't repair an eardrum. What is sad is she is still covering for him. She got a protection order but as yet hasn't pressed charges. I hope she changes her mind. His next GF might lose more than hearing in one ear.
Johnny is truly a POS. Spoiled rotten to the core. I don't feel sad for Johnny. I feel sad for those he hurts on his way down. He doesn't need help, he needs someone to kick his ass. He HAD help. He went to rehab. It didn't take. You have to put the WORK in and he's never worked at anything in his life.
Not much lower than being a woman beater. I hope Johnny gets what he deserves.
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What's sad is, from the reports... he ruptured her eardrum. She will never hear out of that ear again. You can't repair an eardrum. What is sad is she is still covering for him. She got a protection order but as yet hasn't pressed charges. I hope she changes her mind. His next GF might lose more than hearing in one ear.
Johnny is truly a POS. Spoiled rotten to the core. I don't feel sad for Johnny. I feel sad for those he hurts on his way down. He doesn't need help, he needs someone to kick his ass. He HAD help. He went to rehab. It didn't take. You have to put the WORK in and he's never worked at anything in his life.
Not much lower than being a woman beater. I hope Johnny gets what he deserves. Um dramatic much? Ruptured ear drums are common and surely do heal all on their own.
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Reading through this thread reminds me of the true character of so many of the posters on this board. Differing POV's....a cross-section of life.
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What's sad is, from the reports... he ruptured her eardrum. She will never hear out of that ear again. You can't repair an eardrum. What is sad is she is still covering for him. She got a protection order but as yet hasn't pressed charges. I hope she changes her mind. His next GF might lose more than hearing in one ear.
Johnny is truly a POS. Spoiled rotten to the core. I don't feel sad for Johnny. I feel sad for those he hurts on his way down. He doesn't need help, he needs someone to kick his ass. He HAD help. He went to rehab. It didn't take. You have to put the WORK in and he's never worked at anything in his life.
Not much lower than being a woman beater. I hope Johnny gets what he deserves. Um dramatic much? Ruptured ear drums are common and surely do heal all on their own. My brother had a ruptured ear drum and he never heard out of that ear properly again. He'd have to turn his head to hear a soft speaker. Either way Johnny is a POS for hitting her and I hope he gets what's coming to him.
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POSTED BY: MATT LOEDE FEBRUARY 5, 2016 The agent for Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel today announced that he is no longer going to represent the quarterback after the latest allegations that he abused then girlfriend Colleen Crowley. Agent Erik Burkhardt released a statement this morning about the decision. “It is with deep regret that, after several emotional and very personal discussions with his family, his doctors, and my client himself, I have made the decision to terminate my professional relationship with Johnny Manziel,” Burkhardt said. “Though I will remain a friend and Johnny supporter, and he knows I have worked tirelessly to arrange a number of professional options for him to continue to pursue, it has become painfully obvious that his “future rests solely in his own hands. His family and I have gone to great lengths to outline the steps we feel he must take to get his life in order. Accountability is the foundation of any relationship, and without it the function of my work is counterproductive. I truly wish the best for Johnny and sincerely h ope he can, and will, find the kind of peace and happiness he deserves.” The agent is the latest to step away from Manziel, as last month, LeBron James also dropped the troubled QB as a client from James’ LRMR marketing firm. Burkhardt negotiated Manziel’s four-year rookie contract worth $7.07 million in guarantees, and he also handled Manziel’s endorsement deals coming out of college, which at the time were worth millions, but now that is very much in doubt with all the issues the quarterback has had. As far as from charges go, the Fort Worth police passed along its report to the Dallas police, which issued a statement that Manziel would not be charged. The NFL issued a statement on Thursday that said it was aware of the police report and the league was investigating. No matter how you look at it, the future for Johnny Manziel on a professional level in the NFL is murky at best. http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/manziels-agent-dumps-him-after-latest-altercation-over-the-weekend/
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The JM story is truly a sad story. The boy is in need of serious help and i hope he gets it and his life together. I know hitting a female is very wrong but it is a true sign of where he is at mentally. and he will not get it until he is ready for it...hopefully sooner than later.
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His girlfriend surely didn't rack up a $12,000 legal fee for filing a restraining order. I am wondering if she's planning something civil against him or the judge awarded his own version of damages in some kind of creative way.
I have sympathy for her to the point that no man should ever hit a woman. She also appears to be self destructive though. This is the second domestic incident and she came back after the first. In both incidents she was drinking as well.
My guess is that Johnny isn't the only one that needs to go to rehab. Addictive personalities tend to cling together. Going back to her didn't help Johnny after rehab and going back to him after the first domestic issue didn't help her as well. The fact that she doesn't cooperate with police after the fact helps neither of them.
It's tragic for both of these kids, but the fact is they aren't kids anymore. If they were still kids, they could both be forced into getting help. Now they can only get it if they want it. Let's hope they want it before it's too late.
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Johnny Manziel's ex-girlfriend now wants to pursue chargeshttps://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd...-020106463.htmlBy Frank Schwab 45 minutes ago Shutdown Corner Dallas Police put out a statement on Friday saying that troubled Cleveland Browns Johnny Manziel will be investigated for a complaint of domestic violence assault, after all. Last Saturday, Manziel and his ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley were involved in an altercation. Manziel wasn't charged then and the case was deemed closed by Dallas Police. More details emerged on Thursday, including allegations from Crowley that Manziel hit her repeatedly and threatened to kill them both, and the Dallas Police Department said "investigative efforts to date have not resulted in the filing of a criminal complaint and the incident is determined to be closed." Rebecca Lopez of WFAA said Crowley gave a statement to the DPD and wanted the district attorney to file charges. Here's the Dallas Police Department's statement: Following yesterday’s release, today the Dallas Police Department received a complaint of a domestic violence assault that occurred in Dallas on January 30, 2016. A criminal investigation into the incident, in which Johnathan Manziel is the listed suspect, has been initiated. Detectives will thoroughly investigate the case to determine what criminal charges, if any, will be filed and victim services will be offered.
As there are many emotional factors involved, it is not uncommon for a victim of domestic violence to question or delay reporting an assault. This is an on-going investigation and updates will be made as information becomes available.Crowley was depicted in the police report as becoming uncooperative as authorities questioned her, and she wouldn't fill out a statement or make a report, and wouldn't let officers to photograph her or her injuries. On Friday a judge issued a protective order for Manziel to stay away from Crowley for two years and pay $12,000 in legal fees, Lopez of WFAA reported. Crowley filed an application for the order Wednesday and said Manziel was "likely to commit family violence against me if a protective order is not granted," the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported. Manziel was dropped by his agent, the Browns made clear they will cut him in March and Manziel's father said, "I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday." Now he'll be part of a criminal investigation. - - - - - - -
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""We'll do anything we can to help, but he's got to call us back and work with us,'' Haslam told cleveland.com after Roger Goodell's Super Bowl press conference here."
Hey Mr. Haslam. Who you SHOULD be trying to help is the VICTIM Colleen Crowley. The Browns should be offering her any aid they can. Your employee assaulted her and injured her severely.
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