DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum NFL to extend Rooney Rule to Women for Executive Positions

I can certainly see the extra benefit of "getting the job yourself" sorta mentality that's on display here. It's certainly the most gratifying of experiences. However, it doesn't always happen as quickly as it should. Now, we can argue about how "nothing happens as quick as it should" and everyone would probably come to the consensus that, nothing really does happen as quickly as it should. I digress. Kathryn Smith spent 13 years in the NFL before being given a full time coaching job as a Special Teams Quality Control coach. Essentially, after spending a decade+ in the NFL, she'll be charting, analyzing and compulsively looking over the Special Teams of the Bill's. The position for Quality Control is usually dished out to the newcomers of the NFL, not 10 year vets. Please don't take this as me saying, she shouldn't have to pay her dues, just that she should have paid them close to a decade ago. And while her situation doesn't represent this rule change, it does show the hiring trends of women in a male dominated industry. Even the most vetted candidates still cannot catch a break over their less distinguished male peers.

There's a certain negative connotation with required interviews, naturally. However, is it better to be interviewed this year or in a decade, after someone's had no career advancement for that time?

That said, I certainly think the NFL is only doing this to give itself, one of their mechanical, inhuman "pat on the backs", that only Goodell can coldly execute. Despite all of this, I cannot genuinely believe that the NFL gives a damn about women in the league. It's really no surprise, that at their first(!) Women's Football Summit that they didn't even mention domestic violence. Again, showing that they only really care about PR... A paradox, which lessens their PR move's effectiveness. Honestly, I think there is a lot of parallel's between how the NFL carries themselves, and how Hillary carries herself. A certain impersonal caring.

Does the Rooney Rule require people to interview Minority Candidates for Executive positions? Or just HC positions?

I feel like I dont here about it as much whenteams are looking for a new CEO or GM or whatever.

If not, are we saying Women are better Executives than Minority men?

This is all very confusing and unnecessary, IMO.

Put your application in Jules... go for it. I dare you.

So, Goodell is saying hiring women, as coaches, with absolutely no playing experience, will be be a good thing for the team(s) hiring them. Roger Goodell, is the worst thing that has happened to the NFL.

No, he' saying he wants them interviewed for executive/front office positions.

Or is it Sheer silliness?

j/c

Sheer is good, in fact, breathtaking!

+1....Whoopi or Upton....eye of the beholder....Go Browns!!!

I didn't know making sandwiches was an executive level position.. but whatever.

I just realized that Mike Holgrem is somewhere plotting a comeback wearing a dress right about now.

Oh, jeez.....


Thanks for that mental image.
Thanks SO much.

Do you wanna lay odds on if he keeps the 'stache vs. clean shaven?

General Question:

Just how many women involved with an NFL franchise are qualified to have these types of positions anyway? Personally I could careless if we hired women so long as they could do the job. But a) I can't imagine there are that many women in these organizations to start and b) does this mean we'll end up seeing a lady strength and conditioning assistant being called in for executive level interviews just to check the box?

I would think front office jobs would have plenty of qualified women. There are lots of varying office jobs you have never heard of that would lead to a career path on the business side of it at least.

The Browns have given a ton of power to Sashi Brown and that baseball guy. What separates them from intelligent women, other than their physical anatomy?

Hell........the Browns could say they already have two women in high positions.

This whole thing is a sick joke. The Rooney rule is a joke. Interview a candidate for a position based on the color of their skin? Now interview a candidate for a position based on their gender? Why not sexual preference? What about marital status? What about age? How about stop trying to create equality and start creating excellence. You have/had a good old boys club because they did not have the competition for positions. Now as competition for competent people increases and they are not good old boys, the walls will crumble down on their own. I find Goodell to be a hypocrite. Let me compete with other businesses for talented people, yet let me keep my special tax status. How fair is that to women executives, gay executives, any aspiring executive? What a joke this who thing is. It is almost embarrassing.

I could debate your entire assertion Timmy as I see flaws in your logic. I will just ask one question and want you to answer it to yourself truthfully. Do you think Hue Jackson was hired by the Cleveland Browns because of the Rooney Rule?

I'm not. She couldn't do any worse than hubby Jimmy has the last couple years. Besides, one would assume the candidates in question would have an exemplary collegiate record in law or business. Not sure what Dee's background is in that regard.

I know before there was the rule he never would have been interviewed. Things have changed but not THAT much. There is still a HUGE disparity in hiring. So if you want to go back to the good old days when blacks weren't even considered.... kill the Rooney rule. The league will get very white very fast.

Women aren't considered now. When is the last time we interviewed a woman for a front office position? Have we EVER interviewed a woman to be GM? Yes, at first the interviews will be "token" interviews. As the interviews of blacks were to start and sometimes still are. Still blacks are at least considered now. Prior to the Rooney rule they weren't. The same should hold true for women. At first they won't get any jobs, hopefully after a while someone will break through and then they WILL be considered.

I am filing a lawsuit tomorrow for age discrimination. The NFL does not have one single player over 50 on their rosters, and not a single one has ever been drafted. I say they have to sign a player over 50 at each position, and give them the right to compete for the job.

The oldest I recall offhand is George Blanda....48 when he retired in 1975. Anyone else...

That would be the "Gordie Howe Rule".