DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2016 NFL Season 2016 NFL Draft My top 10 prospects regardless of position.

This is just my opinion based on talent level and draft potential and has nothing to do with the Brown's team needs in particular. Although I love a guy like Spence, because of the risks involved he doesn't make this list because I don't think he is drafted in the top 10.

1) Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss - As close as you can get to a can't miss prospect. I see the same athleticism I saw in JT when he was drafted.

2) DeForest Buckner, DT, Oregon - Yes I like him better than Bosa. He played just about every technique in the 3-4 and I think he will dominate in the NFL.

3) A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama - Instant run defense. Built like a double-wide tool shed.

4) Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State - The best RB to come out of Ohio State since Eddie George. Does everything well. Will expand whatever offense he goes to.

5) Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State - I want to like him more, because he's probably our pick if we don't draft a QB, but he just didn't look as dominant this year, especially in pass rush.

6) Myles Jack, LB, UCLA - Amazing instincts and athletic ability. This kid is Pro Bowl bound no matter where he winds up.

7) Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida - Cover corner that would fit the bookend mold for Haden. Is excellent in run support as well.

8) Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame - A 3 down ILB that isn't far off from Myles Jack in terms of athletic ability and instincts. Again probably a future Pro Bowler.

9) Jalen Ramsey, S/CB, Florida State - Can play all over the secondary and even at LB. Best spot may be FS in the NFL, but he does have cover corner skills and could be a team's #1 corner.

10) Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor - Another run stuffer. As strong as an ox. His recognition skills are a little raw as far as keeping his eyes in the backfield, but he will not be moved.

Who does everyone else have as their top 10?

I'll take a stab even though I haven't studied the draft as deeply as some of you.

1. Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State: I like his explosiveness off of the LOS. The ability to rush the passer impacts games in a big way.

2. Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss: Good technique. Pretty good feet. Plays hard.

3. Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida: Great hips. Very athletic. Plays w/good balance. Good punch in press coverage. Willing tackler.

4. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame: Very good feet. Very long. Good punch. Will keep improving as he hones his technique.

5. Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State: Complete back. Powerful runner w/pretty good instincts. Excellent hands. Tough blocker. Surprising speed. 3-down back.

6. Noah Spence, DE, Eastern Kentucky: Great explosion. Great balance. Stays low. Very good closing speed. Lives in the backfield. Someone is going to get lucky.

7. A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama: Huge. Smart. Powerful. Will need to technique if he to rush the passer.

8. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss: Good size. Tough kid who will block. Very good catch radius. Competitive. Not a sprinter, but good open field runner.

9. Jalen Ramsey, S, Florida State: Good range. Anticipates well. Very versatile as he can play S, CB, and even some LBer. Finds the ball.

10. Myles Jack, LB, UCLA: Extremely athletic. Very fast. Good agility. Obviously versatile. I do worry about his size at that position in the NFL.

Good list.

Ramsey is my #2 overall player in this draft, not sure why he's ranked so lowly by you gentlemen.

We still both have him in the top 10. Everyone's list is going to look a little different.

Yeah........top 10 is pretty darn good.

I'm surprised why so many are not seeing Hargreaves as the top corner in the class. I'm with Dep and Vers on this. He's been the best in CFB for a couple years now.

My top 10...


1. OT Laremy Tunsil
2. OT Ronnie Stanley
3. DE Joey Bosa
4. CB Vernon Hargreaves
5. ILB Reggie Ragland
6. OLB Myles Jack
7. FS Jaylen Ramsey
8. DT AShawn Robertson
9. DE Shaq Lawson
10. DE Deforeest Buckner


Below are guys IMO don't belong in the top 10 but could be drafted in the top 10...By order

QB J.Goff
WR L.Treadwell
RB E.Elliot

Glad to see Ragland ranked that high by someone. I have him just outside my top ten.

LB is stacked this year in my opinion.

Interesting. I debated between Jack and Ragland, as well. I really like Ragland, but steve wasn't too high on him, and I respect his knowledge, so I left him off.

I just think he is going to be one of those guys that solidifies the inside for a decade. Tackling machine who can also cover the seam.

I have just seen people turn the corner on Ragland too many times (see Clemson, Mich St, Auburn games). If you're an ILB in the first round, nobody should get to the edge, especially on your side IMO.

Where do you have him, a 2nd rounder, or worse?

Ragland is my target at 32. Major help inside.

What if the Brown's analytics deduced taht Hargreaves was the pick at number 2? Wonder how the fans would feel about that?

I have also been thinking about a few other things, such as:

--the Browns reaching for a qb who never pans out while the Steelers take Spence and he dominates for years.

--Darron Lee. He is intriguing. He played QB in high school. Started off as a S in college. Now, is a 235 lb [listed] LBer. I don't think he can put more weight on, but his speed is amazing. I could see him as a very dangerous pass rusher while having the athleticism to play in space. Playing in traffic is another matter.

-- Robert Nkemdiche. He might have more talent than any guy in the draft, but he is inconsistent as all get out. He also seemingly has character issues that are very troubling. This guy could be the biggest boom/bust candidate in the entire draft.

--Emmanuel Ogbah, a DE from Oklahoma St has caught my eye. He makes a lot of plays when rushing the qb. Not a great burst off the LOS---which is usually what I look at first---but, he is a very strong guy w/powerful hands and who plays mean. I think he is a three-down player and should be a guy who is productive for years.

Interesting lists compiled here. I see the Browns drafting a QB at number 2. I see that QB starting from day 1. My personal thoughts on who the Browns should draft are mixed. I like the Bosa fellow. I also like the Washington guy from OSU as well but I think he is a later first round pick.

As for the QB pick at number 2, I do not care which one they pick as long as they are able to get the most from that player and let him play. A good character guy would help a lot as well if the talent is comparable between the choices. I would not mind falling back to 4 or 7 if there is a deal to be made there. I would not fall back if there is not a favorable deal to be made or the QB's are not comparable to each other.

Since the new regime is in place, as fans we have to let it roll until they disappoint us.

First question is a good one. Someone like Bosa, Hargreaves or Spence would be a definite improvement to the team from day 1. Does not answer the QB question but there may not be answer to that this year. And if there is an answer to it this year, that may not be evident for a while.

I have said multiple times that taking a QB at #2 just so you can point to it and say, "See, I tried" is a horrible move. If the brain trust goes with a QB at #2, I hope it's because they really believe in him and not just because we need a QB and he is the best one left.

If they go in another direction, say Bosa or Hargreaves, I will be OK with that. Tells me they feel a QB there is a big reach and they are not comfortable with it and went with who they think is BPA. I will respect them not buckling to the pressure to take BQBA.

Spence really intrigues me, but there are red flags with him, which we have downplayed to our detriment before. Spending time with him may alleviate concerns. I have seen him all over in mocks. Top 10 to 2nd round.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=11257

NFL Draft News & Notes: 1.0

Workouts at the NFL combine start two weeks from Friday as the offensive linemen and tight ends take the field at Lucas Oil Stadium. In the run-up to the combine here is the latest word from insiders.
How early will Myles Jack of UCLA be draft? The word from NFL decision makers is very early. Some, including my buddy Josh Norris at Rotoworld, grade Jack as the top player in the draft. And though many would disagree, including myself, its not a far fetched opinion. NFL decision makers are referring to Jack as a “rare athlete”, a label not often thrown around. They love his athleticism, intensity and versatility to play three downs in a variety of schemes. They also point to the four touchdowns he scored when lined up at running back. When I mentioned my concern about his size the name of Shaq Thompson, the Panthers first round pick in 2015, was brought up. It was also pointed out Jack is head and shoulders a better prospect than Thompson.
How do NFL executives feel the initial five picks will fall? In recent conversations before the Super Bowl the order that gets the most votes at this early stage is 1) Laremy Tunsil, 2) Jalen Ramsey, 3) Jared Goff, 4) Myles Jack, 5) Joey Bosa.
I heard talk during the Senior Bowl that Tunsil could be the first pick of the draft. Goff at three is interesting for a variety of reasons, including a potential trade.
One team that would not be happy to see Jalen Ramsey going so early are the Dallas Cowboys as I’m told he’s presently graded as the top player on their board.
Someone drawing a lot of interest and intrigue from teams is former LSU cornerback Rashard Robinson. Personnel people from the Oakland Raiders and New York Giants believe Robinson would’ve competed for the top cornerback spot in this year’s draft had he played the past two seasons and built upon his impressive freshman campaign. I’m told he will measure over 6-feet/2-inches and is expected to run the forty in the 4.3’s at the combine. I’ve also been told Robinson has been invited to participate at LSU’s pro-day. As someone told me earlier today teams are willing to roll the dice on tall corners that can run fast as the demand far outstrips the supply. The point being Robinson could be selected much earlier than people project.
Trevone Boykin has received an invitation to the combine and will be working out with the quarterbacks two weeks from Saturday. I’m told Boykin has been doing receiver work during his combine preparation but presently there are no plans for him to run routes or catch passes in Indianapolis or during pro-day at TCU. Rather Boykin will workout at receiver as teams come to campus to individually test Josh Doctson and Kolby Listenbee.
People I’ve spoken with believe the out of the box office moves by the Cleveland Browns will pay off in the long run. The feeling among many is Paul DePodesta and Sashi Brown, both Harvard graduates, will install a system that should weed out the bad apples and finally end the run of draft busts that has plagued the franchise for years.
Recently the New York Jets were linked to quarterback Colin Kaepernick but no one I’ve spoken with, even from Kaepernick’s camp, feel there’s any legitimacy in this potential move. I can say without a doubt general manager Mike Maccagnan is not sitting around admiring the Executive of the Year Award recently handed to him by the PFWA. People I’ve spoken with laud Maccagnan and the Jets for leaving no stone unturned since the end of the season and the team has literally interviewed every player that attended each of January’s All Star games.
I’m told the Jets really like third year offensive tackle Brent Qvale, which could offer them some flexibility at the position. Many believe the team will try and renegotiate the contract of veteran left tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson to give themselves more cap space.

Hmm... you've caught me with my Brown-colored glasses on.

I think he can be a good contributor on an already good defense. I could see a good defense/team using a first rounder on him because he is going to do a good job of holding up his duties. But for the Browns, we need guys who are going to make a difference... who are going to have a major impact on the game. I don't want us spending a first round pick on a CJ Mosely or a David Harris level player. And I think Mosely was a better prospect than Ragland is because Mosely can cover. That's what I was getting at.

Got ya! A 1st rounder, but not a good fit for the Browns.

I'd be okay with Hargreaves as long as we can get an edge rusher, too. I'd rather go Rusher first, then DB. I'd rather not see Bademosi at corner again.

I'd probably feel about the same way as I do about us ending up with Erving and the Steelers getting Dupree. I doubt Dupree would have looked good in the scheme O'Neil ran last year, but he looked amazing compared to Erving (not saying much). What a waste. I am higher on the QBs than you, Vers. But, I'd probably still prefer Spence if he can stay away from the drugs/off the field trouble. Unfortunately, that's the big question.

I'm not that high on Ogbah. He looks really stiff to me and plays too upright. Maybe I just randomly picked his poor(er) games (Ole Miss and Baylor). His motor is inconsistent.

Thanks for your feedback, Grimm. As always, politely well-stated w/knowledge to back-up your points.

Now, I have to go watch more of Ogbah. When I saw him, he was relentless. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll watch some more and if anyone else knows much about the guy.....I would appreciate it if y'all would let us know.

Hey Grimm.......I wish more people took your approach to posting. I gotta say that I respect your style.

I wanna add something. In my original post on this thread, I had Tunsil as my number 2 guy.

The more I watch and the more I read.......I am not so sure about that now. I think the guy has some question marks. I would not take him that high.

Of course, that translates into me hoping the Titans do.

tab, Stanley has great feet. Very athletic. Not the most physical guy in the world.

I would compare him to DeBrickshaw Ferguson and Joe Thomas in that he uses his agility to shield off defenders rather than trying to road grade them.

He is still kinda raw and needs to work on his technique some, but this kid has a world of potential.

I'll be in the minority on this one, but I have moved him ahead of Tunsil.

Then again, I hope we don't take an offensive linemen in the first few rounds this year. Would rather just keep who we have.

I have him below Tunsil because I think he's little too raw. He'll take a little more time to develop than Tunsil will. He's not a bad prospect either though and I wouldn't be suprised if he was drafted in the top 5.

Yep.......he is a little raw. I think I put in something about him improving his technique? Maybe not, but I meant to. LOL

But don't you just love when a guy asks you a question, you answer it, and then he ignores the response?

...or perhaps it's because it's not what they wanted to hear.