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Here's the top 25 according to CBS sports I can add some guys to the list if you want. I just want to try to get a discussion together about these guys and any others you want to talk about.

Laquon Treadwell
Corey Coleman
Michael Thomas
Josh Doctson
Will Fuller
Braxton Miller
Tyler Boyd
Pharoh Cooper
Rashard Higgins
Sterling Shepard
Leonte Carroo
Kenny Lawler
De'Runnya Wilson
Paul McRoberts
Bralon Addison
Aaron Burbridge
Keyarris Garrett
Roger Lewis
Malcolm Mitchell
Cayleb Jones
Kolby Listenbee
Tajae Sharpe
Charone Peake
Jordan Payton
Daniel Braverman

Lot's of guys think we need more than one WR, but I think we are just missing a specific type. A big, physical #1 type WR. It looks like Benjamin is signing and Gordon will be back for at least another year. They should fill the 2nd and 3rd WR roles. The rest of the smurfs are decent depth behind them and Pryor might turn out to be a lucky find.

We could fill that #1 role by signing Alshon Jeffery. Other than that, I don't see any other option in Free Agency.

I've taken a lot of WR's off my personal list because although guys like Corey Coleman and Sterling Shepard are good WR's that will help plenty of teams, they aren't a good fit for the Browns.





Here are some guys that could fit...

Laquon Treadwell He fits the big, physical, description to a 'T'. He's a first round talent and the best WR in the draft. My biggest problem with him is his speed and where he'll be drafted. He'll go top 10 and I have a hard time pulling the trigger on him there. He also needs to learn to run a full route-tree, but if he were faster, it would be a no-brainer. Yes I am fully aware that there are #1 WR's out there without blazing speed, but I would prefer a sure thing with the #2 pick overall. We could get Jerry Rice or we could get Peter Warrick.

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Michael Thomas - To me he is almost a carbon copy of Treadwell. He has the same strengths and weaknesses. He's just a notch lower in my book. He is not the same blocker that Treadwell is. I'd take him in the 2nd if he were there, but he will go somewhere in the first.

Josh Doctson - He might be there in the 2nd, but isn't the same physical type as the 1st two on the list. He does have tremendous leaping ability, and does well creating separation, so I think he could fill that #1 role. Like the 1st 2 guys, he needs to learn a full route tree.

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Braxton Miller - Probably the most athletic in the group, but is raw and will need time to develop. Will probably start his career as a gadget player and assume more of a role over time. He does have the size to be a #1 though.

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Jay Lee - Terrific size/speed, but extremely raw. I don't think he would play a lot his first year. Needs coached on technique and route running. Very athletic prospect though.

De'Runnya Wilson - I'd like to see him put on another 10 pounds to his frame, but he has both size and speed. Has a huge catch radius as well. He has an arrest for pot and some character concerns.

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Devon Cajuste - Kind of a tweener between a WR and TE like Devin Funchess . Worth a shot where he'll be drafted.

Kenyarris Garrett - Looks the part but routes are sloppy and gets the dropsies.



And that is about the extent of my list. There just aren't a lot of guys that fit the Browns in my opinion.

Who y'all got?

I think Tyler Boyd is an interesting guy that we should maybe keep our eyes on.

He reminds me of the dude from KC..........used to be w/Philly...what's his name. Grrrrrrr............Macklin. Jeremy Macklin. Am I spelling that right?

Great quickness off the LOS. Very good route runner. Not the fastest guy ever, but he runs his routes fast. Very fast through his cuts. Doesn't have to slow down. Really watches the ball into his hands. Very good hands. Doesn't puss out in traffic. I think his qb play hurt him.

I just recently started researching him. Pretty darn good player.

He's a lightning quick WR and Maclin is a good comparison, but he is a little skinny and is probably best in the slot.

He's one of those guys that I think is going to help an offense. He just doesn't fit the Browns very well.

He is slight of frame. However, I am of the opinion that slot receivers and slot corners are more important than ever in the NFL.

Gotta have good ones on both sides of the ball.

I'd like to see us draft two WR's. One big one, although Martavis Bryant, has made me care a little less about thinness. I'd like to see us double down on the position in case Gordon screws up. So one big one and a physical one that's bigger than 6'1.

Yeah, he is a good pick. It's just that we really need a #1 type more right now.

We have so many needs it's hard to justify a spot that Gordon or Benjamin could do this year.

The truth is we are probably a few drafts away though and if that is the case, taking another slot WR isn't a big deal.

Not trying to be confrontational, but I don't see Gordon or Benji as slot receivers. I think a slot receiver needs to be a good route runner. Neither of those guys are.

I think they need to be good at making hot reads and sight adjustments. Neither of those guys are.

I think they need to be quick in and out of their breaks. Neither of those guys are.

Now............one could argue that Hawkins can fill that role and I would not disagree. I just think that Boyd would be better.

I would have said that about Benji in 2014, but in 2015 he looked the part of a slot WR.

His routes were much crisper, he was quick making his breaks and most importantly, he stopped looking scared over the middle.

What I see is, if we can get that big physical #1, Gordon can be the #2 and deep threat and Benjamin would fill the slot.

I think that trio would give DB's fits and we have enough depth that we can mix in a few of the smurfs as role players.

Sign Marvin Jones and resign Benjamin. Let Hawkins reunite with Hue and work the slot. Gordon is the ultimate wildcard. Marvin Jones thrived in Hues offense.

Hartline is a good route runner, and could be that guy that fills the Jureviscious role. He's about the only one we have, though.

We definitely need some younger, fresher blood in these ranks - and we need to put a premium on route running with ALL our guys.

Is Marvin Jones worth the money to be either the 2nd or 3rd guy on the field? Probably not, man.


I gotta say it's relieving to have a team that will probably carry more than 5 WR's at a time I miss that.

I disagree, I think he's worth the money.

I don't know how good he will be as a receiver in the NFL, but Jordan Payton will destroy some fools on special teams and as a blocker. He reminds me of Jason Avant.

Deputy.I'm floored you're calling Gordon a #2. No way. Kid's a stud.

This WR core is easily fixed. Providing speed, deep threats and possession types along with Barnidge we have Red Zone threats.

Gordon
Marvin Jones FA
Re-Up Benjamin
Hawkins & Hartline

And if Benjamin walks I go after Braxton Miller and make him our returner also.

Benjamin is the wild card here. We need something on Defense at 32. If Benjamin walks, I don't see Miller being there at 65.

Anyone with a brain larger than a pea knows Jackson wants the QB he can hitch his ride to. And there's 2 realistic possibilities at 2. Wentz & Goff. One will be our QB going forward.

Picks 32 and 65 are going to be more interesting than the QB we take at 2.

Will be interesting what Hue thinks of Pryor as a WR.

Any plan that relies on Gordon is fragile ... it's beyond balancing on a knife's edge. At best, Gordon can be seen as a bonus, not as a building block to a plan.

His entire plan is whacked.

I'm not sure I'd even want Marvin Jones at a bargain.

We have enough speed guys. Why give $9 mil a year to a guy that had his best season ever last year and still didn't break 1000 yards?

Because he played for our current coach?

(That is not a good enough reason.)

That's probably the best description I've read on our Josh. Couldn't possibly agree more. Think we'd get something more stable if we could acquire a 2nd or third round pick maybe with some later 6th or 7th rounders too to trade him away. One less "wonder" to worry about or get hopes up to burn that brutally in the end.

No way, man. He's going to be one of the best WR's in the NFL if he comes back for real. I'll take the risk. Trading that talent away for a 2nd rounder WR is absolute risk.

Barring a trade down, none of these guys are worth our first pick, but a lot of them could be worth our second pick.

If you have the slightest faith in him, your course of action is legit and valid. I however accept the fact he's a moron and the trigger will only get pulled one more time before Josh needs to make selling cars his permanent career.

It's a tale of two views lol.

WR's can be had at a bargain given the right draft class. This draft class isn't it. Two years ago highly talented WR's crowded the board. Our chance at a bargain concerning the WR position was ignored and now we would have to overpay to address it.

Opportunity lost.

Same thing could be said of quarterbacks.

Yep. When need and value have lined up, we've ignored it.

That could have been such a great draft. Imagine getting Teddy/Carr and Beckham Jr as opposed to Gilber and Johnny?

And there were so many other opportunities. Man!!!!

How about this one?

Aaron Donald, Derek Carr, and Allen Robinson.

Tyler Boyd is this draft's Tyler Lockett. He has the potential to out perform his scouting report and draft grade.

I stopped doing hindsight drafts back in 1999 when I looked at what we could have got if we did the trade with Ditka.

It's too depressing even for a Browns fan.

I thought about this when I was watching the Bears 30 for 30. What a shame.

Then I looked and Cade McNown went with the 12th pick (the Saints original pick). There is no doubt in my mind that we would have drafted McNown.

There were so many Pro Bowl guys out of that draft, how we didn't get one at least by accident with the number of picks we had just amazes me.

That's depressing.

Really like Higgins and Boyd the best this year. Coleman is going to be really good, but we need size in the worst way.

+1, the past is the past...regret, we all have it. I agree with your Gordon comment. Gordon, IF he's motivated and wants it makes all the others good...I like Pryor- with work he can be better than average. Our Braintrust won't be using gut feel, IMO we have other needs more demanding than WR....rush backer/ QB....Go Browns!!!!

From a football standpoint, Gordon struggled with the Shanny language and system. Fortunately Hue runs a system very similar to what Chud ran when Gordon had his best year.

From a mental standpoint, In the last year, Gordon honestly does appear to grasp that there are good things in life outside of dope and football. He doesnt sound like the wantabe gangsta who expects all good things in life to fall into his lap.

Hope for his sake and for the sake of the Browns that he can become the player he can be.

Aaarrghhhhhhh.........

Gordon struggled w/being Gordon.

The old "the past is the past" line sounds like ignoring the past somehow solves things. It doesn't.

The actual discussion was about ignoring to address a position when the draft class is strong at a position to the point that bargains can be had at that position in a draft.

That's discussing draft strategy and how you can optimize acquiring bargains in the draft.

Take this year for example. There is a lot of depth on the D side in this draft. That would indicate a strong possibility of landing very good talent at #32. IMO, this is a poor draft class at the WR position.

So unless there's some huge run on D, we will probably have the chance to land better D talent at #32 than you would in most drafts.

Those who never learn from the past are doomed to fail. I believe there are lessons to be learned there. If we go QB at #2, I believe D at #32 will end up being a very sound strategy.

And yes, I learned that from the past which I have no reason to ignore.