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The more I think about it, the more I think we're ganna trade down..
Assuming we are not all in on a QB at 2, I could see someone wanting Tunsil, Bosa, or one of the QBs enough to move up, and us moving down only a few spots..
Drop to 4, or 7, pick up an additional 2nd or more? Its enticing I think..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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The most I think about it, the more I think we're ganna trade down.. Teams don't usually trade up that high in the draft unless they are getting a QB. And if there is a QB worth taking that high, we will probably be taking him. Here is a list of the top five picks since 1999: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...l&order_by=The only non-QB trade ups I see are Trent Richardson and Sammy Watkins.
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But, to answer your question, the only realistic scenario I see in getting two of those guys would be to take Spence first and Doctson in the second.
So, here's a scenario:
#2 to SF (Goff) for #7 & #37
7) OLB Noah Spence, Western Kentucky
32) WR Josh Doctson, TCU
37) WR Tyler Boyd, Pitt
65) QB Dak Prescott, Miss St
110) OLB Victor Ochi, Stony Brook
137) CB Cyrus Jones, Alabama
139) FS Trevon Stewart, Houston
172) ILB Casanova McKinzy, Auburn
174) ILB Beniquez Brown, Miss St (I really have no idea where he will go, have seen projections all over)
180) C/OG Alex Huettel, Bowling Green
221) NT Antwaun Woods, USC
I would still keep Doctson as the X and make Boyd the Z. In this case I would have Gordon at Z and Boyd behind him rather than the previous scenario where Gordon was at X with Doctson behind him as a rookie and Treadwell starting at Z. I definitely think we're losing something going from Treadwell to Boyd, but Spence is the best pass rusher and it's tough to pass up.
Assumes unable to keep Mack, Schwartz. A. Bryant, Bowe, Starks, Kruger, Gipson, Benjamin gone
Offense: 24
QB: McCown, Prescott, Davis
RB: Crowell, Johnson, FA/UDFA
FB: FA/UDFA
TE: Barnidge, Telfer, Bibbs
LT: Thomas, Miller
LG: Bitonio
C: Erving, Huettel
RG: Greco
RT: Pasztor, FA/UDFA
WZ: Gordon, Boyd
WX: Doctson, Hartline
WY: Hawkins, Hall
Defense: 24
DE: D. Bryant, X. Cooper
NT: Shelton, Woods
DE: Hughes, Wynn
LOLB: Orchard, Mingo
SILB: Dansby, McKinzy
WILB: Kirksey, Brown
WOLB: Spence, Ochi
OC: Haden, T. Williams, Jones, Gilbert
IC: K. Williams, IEO
FS: Stewart, Poyer
SS: Whitner, Campbell
Special Teams: 5
K: FA/UDFA
P: Lee
LS: Hughlett
ST: Moore, Bademosi/Robertson
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My dream scenario.(Yes I know it would never happen)
Baltimore falls in love with Jalen Ramsey and sees the next Ed Reed. They are afraid the Chargers want to replace Weddle.
We trade # 2 to Balt for #6, #36 and and 2nd rounder next year. A bargain for them on the trade chart.
Once we are on the clock, we get a call from the Rams. They are afraid they will be left out at one of the top QB's, and they offer #15, #43, and #76 for our # 6 pick. They get first choice at QB moving just ahead of San Fran.
Our draft picks
#15 Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor
#32 Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
#36 Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State
#43 Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson
#65 Scooby Wright, LB, Arizona
#76 Vonn Bell, S, Ohio State
4A Anthony Zettel, DE/DT, Penn State
4B Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State
5A Jordan Jenkins, DE/OLB, Georgia
5B Glenn Gronkowski, FB, Kansas State
5C Roberto Aguayo, K, Florida State
6 Austin Blythe, C, Iowa
7 Vernon Adams Jr, QB, Oregon
And we've have an extra 2nd round pick in 2017
Flame away.
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Braxton Miller at #36 is a terrible reach pick.
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Braxton Miller at #36 is a terrible reach pick. After the Senior Bowl, I think he goes in the top of the second somewhere. I might be wrong, but I don't think it's a huge reach.
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Thanks for the effort, steve. 7) OLB Noah Spence, Western Kentucky
32) WR Josh Doctson, TCU
37) WR Tyler Boyd, Pitt
65) QB Dak Prescott, Miss St Not sure how reasonable it is.........but, I sure as hell like it.
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But, to answer your question, the only realistic scenario I see in getting two of those guys would be to take Spence first and Doctson in the second.
So, here's a scenario:
#2 to SF (Goff) for #7 & #37
7) OLB Noah Spence, Western Kentucky
32) WR Josh Doctson, TCU
37) WR Tyler Boyd, Pitt
65) QB Dak Prescott, Miss St
110) OLB Victor Ochi, Stony Brook
137) CB Cyrus Jones, Alabama
139) FS Trevon Stewart, Houston
172) ILB Casanova McKinzy, Auburn
174) ILB Beniquez Brown, Miss St (I really have no idea where he will go, have seen projections all over)
180) C/OG Alex Huettel, Bowling Green
221) NT Antwaun Woods, USC
I would still keep Doctson as the X and make Boyd the Z. In this case I would have Gordon at Z and Boyd behind him rather than the previous scenario where Gordon was at X with Doctson behind him as a rookie and Treadwell starting at Z. I definitely think we're losing something going from Treadwell to Boyd, but Spence is the best pass rusher and it's tough to pass up.
Assumes unable to keep Mack, Schwartz. A. Bryant, Bowe, Starks, Kruger, Gipson, Benjamin gone
Offense: 24
QB: McCown, Prescott, Davis
RB: Crowell, Johnson, FA/UDFA
FB: FA/UDFA
TE: Barnidge, Telfer, Bibbs
LT: Thomas, Miller
LG: Bitonio
C: Erving, Huettel
RG: Greco
RT: Pasztor, FA/UDFA
WZ: Gordon, Boyd
WX: Doctson, Hartline
WY: Hawkins, Hall
Defense: 24
DE: D. Bryant, X. Cooper
NT: Shelton, Woods
DE: Hughes, Wynn
LOLB: Orchard, Mingo
SILB: Dansby, McKinzy
WILB: Kirksey, Brown
WOLB: Spence, Ochi
OC: Haden, T. Williams, Jones, Gilbert
IC: K. Williams, IEO
FS: Stewart, Poyer
SS: Whitner, Campbell
Special Teams: 5
K: FA/UDFA
P: Lee
LS: Hughlett
ST: Moore, Bademosi/Robertson
I like the draft, but I might go DB instead of Boyd and try to get Sharpe or Higgins later if we're losing Gipson. As far as the depth chart, I think I'd be more likely to put Greco at C, Pasztor at RG and Erving at RT. Pasztor looked good pulling and I like him at Guard if we're going to be running more power. Hopefully Schwartz comes back and we can keep Erving as the swing guy. ....Who's Hall at WY? I'm drawing a blank.
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They signed Rannell Hall towards the end of last season. I had a 3rd or 4th round (can't remember which) estimate for him last draft. I think he's a real good player. Had him in the same round as his teammate Perriman who went in the first to Baltimore. Hall made some insane catches at UCF and you can probably see them in YouTube if you're interested.
I also really hope they can re-sign Schwartz. Definitely my #1 free agency priority. Pasztor has starting experience at RT, which is why I put him there in the likely scenario we can't retain Mitchell.
I considered making the Boyd pick Vonn Bell when I was doing it. I'd be happy with that outcome, too, and come back and get Lucien later in the draft. But I just can't make a mock and leave Stewart on the board. I've wanted us to draft him since 2013.
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Bored...and I haven't played with the Fanspeak mock drafter for awhile. They have included the compensatory picks. I intended to make no trades, but when I got to the 4-40 pick I was looking at who I wanted to draft. Aaron Green was right there, but Baby Gronk was coming up as was ILB Antonio Morrison, so I traded my 5-2 and 6-1 for Oakland's 5-4 & 5-15, but the Saints drafted Morrison at 5-13, so I took McKinzy.
I've been thinking one of the top 3 QB's will slid to #32 and Paxton did. Then when I got to the 2 5th rd comp picks, Prescott was still there so I grabbed him as a plan B. I was surprised Fuller was there at 4-1 too.
TRADE PARTNER: OAKLAND RAIDERS
SENT:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 2
ROUND: 6 PICK: 1
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 4
ROUND: 5 PICK: 15
2: R1P2 DE JOEY BOSA OHIO STATE
32: R2P1 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
65: R3P2 OLB SU'A CRAVENS USC
100: R4P1 WR WILLIAM FULLER NOTRE DAME
139: R4P40 RB AARON GREEN TCU
143: R5P4 TE GLENN GRONKOWSKI KANSAS ST
154: R5P15 ILB CASSANOVA MCKINZY AUBURN
171: R5P32 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI ST
173: R5P34 OT COLE TONER HARVARD
221: R7P2 WR NELSON SPRUCE COLORADO
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Bored...and I haven't played with the Fanspeak mock drafter for awhile. They have included the compensatory picks. I intended to make no trades, but when I got to the 4-40 pick I was looking at who I wanted to draft. Aaron Green was right there, but Baby Gronk was coming up as was ILB Antonio Morrison, so I traded my 5-2 and 6-1 for Oakland's 5-4 & 5-15, but the Saints drafted Morrison at 5-13, so I took McKinzy.
I've been thinking one of the top 3 QB's will slid to #32 and Paxton did. Then when I got to the 2 5th rd comp picks, Prescott was still there so I grabbed him as a plan B. I was surprised Fuller was there at 4-1 too.
TRADE PARTNER: OAKLAND RAIDERS
SENT:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 2
ROUND: 6 PICK: 1
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 4
ROUND: 5 PICK: 15
2: R1P2 DE JOEY BOSA OHIO STATE
32: R2P1 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
65: R3P2 OLB SU'A CRAVENS USC
100: R4P1 WR WILLIAM FULLER NOTRE DAME
139: R4P40 RB AARON GREEN TCU
143: R5P4 TE GLENN GRONKOWSKI KANSAS ST
154: R5P15 ILB CASSANOVA MCKINZY AUBURN
171: R5P32 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI ST
173: R5P34 OT COLE TONER HARVARD
221: R7P2 WR NELSON SPRUCE COLORADO
Hands down a phenomenal draft...I would be elated if the draft went in our favor that way.
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And...I figured those Harvard men running the show would love to draft fellow Harvard man Cole Toner for OL depth.
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The No trade BPA mock
I'm going to lean a little bit on needs but I'm trying to pick BPA with every pick. I'm only going 4 rounds on this one because even that is a stretch saying who is BPA even in the 4th before the combine.
1) DeForest Buckner - It was a toss-up between Buckner and Jack, but I decided on Buckner here.
2) Josh Doctson- Lots to choose from here, but I thought Doctson would make a bigger impact.
3) Carl Nassib - I chose a bookend DE Buckner and Nassib will help both the run and pass defense.
4A) Dak Prescott - Gotta get a QB somewhere and I think he can turn into another Steve McNair
4B) Jordan Jenkins - A much needed Pass rusher at OLB
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The most I think about it, the more I think we're ganna trade down.. Teams don't usually trade up that high in the draft unless they are getting a QB. And if there is a QB worth taking that high, we will probably be taking him. Here is a list of the top five picks since 1999: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...l&order_by=The only non-QB trade ups I see are Trent Richardson and Sammy Watkins. Maybe so, but at #2, I could see a number of teams willing to trade up for Tunsil or Bosa. One of the two will be there no matter what the Titans do with their pick. That said, if we really like one of the QB's and Jackson feels like he can mold the guy, then just take him at #2...I don't care if the rankings place him at #8 or #12. I wouldn't want to trade down, then lose him. The ideal is we like 3 of the QB's and are good no matter which one we get, then sure, trade down a few slots and claim the guy we wanted is the guy we got.
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Most teams are not willing to give up the assets it takes to move to #1 or #2 to pick a non-QB, maybe this year will be the exception.
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I don't believe that you use a strategy on "insert name from any of the top 3 QB's here". That would be selecting the leftover at #32. To me that's most certainly the wrong way to approach it.
I believe when you draft a QB high in the draft, you have to believe he's that special talent that you need at the position.
I believe we've all seen the results of taking the best QB left at the position far too often. I'm with you. If you see that guy at #2, take him there and don't risk losing him.
If you don't see that guy, don't take a high risk of drafting someone you're not 100% sold on.
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2: R1P2
QB JARED GOFF
CALIFORNIA
32: R2P1
OLB JAYLON SMITH
NOTRE DAME
65: R3P2
WR JOSH DOCTSON
TCU
100: R4P1
OLB DADI LHOMME NICOLAS
VIRGINIA TECH
139: R4P40
S KEANU NEAL
FLORIDA
141: R5P2
TE JAKE MCGEE
FLORIDA
171: R5P32
DT JAVON HARGRAVE
SOUTH CAROLINA STATE
173: R5P34
WR JALIN MARSHALL
OHIO STATE
179: R6P1
CB JAMES BRADBERRY
SAMFORD
221: R7P2
C GRAHAM GLASGOW
MICHIGAN
I wish this could happen in real life. Fanspeak has no idea what it's doing.
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Or it knows exactly what it's doing because people keep going back even though they know it's crap.
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QB, WR, Pass Rusher...
1. Wentz/Treadwell/Bosa
2. Cook/Doctson/Spence
3. Hackenberg/Boyd/Nassib
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Did this draft on Fanspeak. It got a little wonky.
2: R1P2
QB JARED GOFF
CALIFORNIA
32: R2P1
WR JERRY RICE
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY STATE
65: R3P2
RB JIM BROWN
SYRACUSE
100: R4P1
RB BARRY SANDERS
OKLAHOMA STATE
139: R4P40
S KEANU NEAL
FLORIDA
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TE JAKE MCGEE
FLORIDA
171: R5P32
DT JAVON HARGRAVE
SOUTH CAROLINA STATE
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WR JALIN MARSHALL
OHIO STATE
179: R6P1
CB JAMES BRADBERRY
SAMFORD
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C GRAHAM GLASGOW
MICHIGAN
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Did this draft on Fanspeak. It got a little wonky.
2: R1P2
QB JARED GOFF
CALIFORNIA
32: R2P1
WR JERRY RICE
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY STATE
65: R3P2
RB JIM BROWN
SYRACUSE
100: R4P1
RB BARRY SANDERS
OKLAHOMA STATE
139: R4P40
S KEANU NEAL
FLORIDA
141: R5P2
TE JAKE MCGEE
FLORIDA
171: R5P32
DT JAVON HARGRAVE
SOUTH CAROLINA STATE
173: R5P34
WR JALIN MARSHALL
OHIO STATE
179: R6P1
CB JAMES BRADBERRY
SAMFORD
221: R7P2
C GRAHAM GLASGOW
MICHIGAN
I didn't want to take two running backs, but I couldn't pass on Barry Sanders in the fourth round. Don't the Lions still own his rights?
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Sign Osweiler
Re-sign Schwartz and Gipson
1. Jalen Ramsey, CB
2. Vernon Butler, 3-4 DE
3. Kamalei Correa, 3-4 OLB
4a. Rashard Higgins, WR
4b. Leonte Carroo, WR
5a. Josh Forrest, ILB
5b. Tyler Higbee, TE
5c. Ted Karras, OG
6. AJ Stamps, S
7a. Ross Martin, K
7b. Quayvon Hicks, FB
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If you are going to take a shot at a TE in the latter rounds I like JAKE MCGEE out of Florida .. Og course I have been saying that all year ! lol
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McGee is a good player. I just don't know if we need to spend a pick on a TE. I think we are pretty solid there, but if he is the BPA, sure.
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If you are going to take a shot at a TE in the latter rounds I like JAKE MCGEE out of Florida .. Og course I have been saying that all year ! lol Thomas Duarte would be a nice target too.
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If you are going to take a shot at a TE in the latter rounds I like JAKE MCGEE out of Florida .. Og course I have been saying that all year ! lol Thomas Duarte would be a nice target too. BABY GRONK!!!
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j/c: Daniel Jeremiah's Mock Draft 2.0 1. Tunsil 2. Wentz 3. Ramsey 4. Jack 5. Bosa More here:
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Is Ramsey or Hargreaves worthy of someone trading up to #2 to get?
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Is Ramsey or Hargreaves worthy of someone trading up to #2 to get? Teams don't usually trade into the top five for non-QBs.
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Is Ramsey or Hargreaves worthy of someone trading up to #2 to get? Teams don't usually trade into the top five for non-QBs. Unless the team with the #3 pick can trick the team with the #4 pick to trade up for a running back.
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Is Ramsey or Hargreaves worthy of someone trading up to #2 to get? Teams don't usually trade into the top five for non-QBs. Unless the team with the #3 pick can trick the team with the #4 pick to trade up for a running back. That was one of two moves I counted (the Sammy Watkins trade was the other one).
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Had some fun with this one.  TRADE PARTNER: KANSAS CITY CHIEFS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 11 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 28 ROUND: 3 PICK: 28 ROUND: 4 PICK: 28 TRADE PARTNER: MIAMI DOLPHINS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 2 RECEIVED: ROUND: 1 PICK: 8 ROUND: 2 PICK: 11 ROUND: 3 PICK: 10 ROUND: 4 PICK: 9
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Or you can convince a stupid team to give up a 2nd round choice to trade up exactly one spot for a soldier TE that you weren't going to draft in that spot anyway.
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Or you can convince a stupid team to give up a 2nd round choice to trade up exactly one spot for a soldier TE that you weren't going to draft in that spot anyway. Not in the top five.
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Or you can convince a stupid team to give up a 2nd round choice to trade up exactly one spot for a soldier TE that you weren't going to draft in that spot anyway. Not in the top five. I forgot, 6 is many miles away from 5.
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Or you can convince a stupid team to give up a 2nd round choice to trade up exactly one spot for a soldier TE that you weren't going to draft in that spot anyway. Not in the top five. I forgot, 6 is many miles away from 5. Botch is still the only person in the history of time to be outsmarted by Millen the GM
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Didn't the Browns also trade away the sixth pick to Atlanta when the latter drafted Julio Jones?
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Didn't the Browns also trade away the sixth pick to Atlanta when the latter drafted Julio Jones? Yep we got a first, second, and fourth round picks that year and a first and fourth the next year. I still think the trade was the right thing to do, but the guys that we drafted with those picks didn't pan out. Phil Taylor looked like he was everything that we thought till injuries caught up with him. Trent Richardson wound up getting us a first round pick, so I shouldn't complain there. Greg Little and Owen Marecic were wasted picks.
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We got Weeden with Atlanta's 1st.
We used ours on Trent..
You know.. after trading up one spot.. again..
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We got Weeden with Atlanta's 1st.
We used ours on Trent..
You know.. after trading up one spot.. again.. The trade was smart. The overall assets that resulted from it were not.
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