DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Alex Mack: Cleveland Browns going in right direction

I'm hoping/would be surprised if Joe Thomas and Schwartz haven't told him this. Maybe Schwartz and Mack didn't because free agency, but I doubt that. Either way, all we need is Joe Thomas. At least, that's what I hope the situation is (Although with our line success, I wouldn't doubt it).

Agreed.
If us fans can see it, you know it has shown up and come up in the film room.... and everyone in that room is REALLY big on technique, so I'd expect that part to get resolved regardless of coaches.

Heck, with the group we have, I wouldn't be surprised is OLine Coach is the easiest job on the team. They all strike me as the type that are close-knit and help each other with all of this.

I think almost any coaching change will help him.. didn't he lose his Offensive Line Coach during Preseason ?

Pad level and strength? The recipe calls for deep, heavy A to G squatting.

So.......the guys on this message board could see his weaknesses, but the coaches on the team could not? But, the new coaches will because they are not as dumb as the previous coaches and are almost as smart as the posters on this board?

Got it!

Why does everyone keep saying we need to re-sign Mack? He is signed through 2018 at 8 mill a year.

Plus...

After the 2015 season is over, Mack will have the option to void the final three years of his contract. However, if he decides to void his contract, he loses out on $8 million that is guaranteed. According to Joel Corry of CBS Sports, that $8 million becomes fully guaranteed on April 5, 2016. If Mack wanted to opt out of his deal, he would do so long before that so he could take part in free agency.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/4/12/5608798/breakdown-of-alex-macks-contract-with-the-browns

Alex Mack's opt-out deadline is March 4th per contract expert Joel Corry.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo...heyre-important

In other words Mac, he had too many flaws to be drafted where he was. Am I correct in this assumption?

You're acting like the Browns drafted a 5th rounder at #19.

Everyone had Erving going at least in the high second round.

That's why we picked him to be a backup. Duh.

He was drafted right about where all the experts said he would go.

Kiper had him at #25 on his big board.

Mayock had him at #26.

Walter football shows that his average Mock draft ranking was #26

He was drafted right where he should have been drafted.

Drafted in the first round, plays like a 5th rounder.

Just by the wrong team (you know the one with an All-Pro center and every offensive line position already filled).

j/c:

Farmer's gone now. You guys can stop defending his dumb picks.

You didn't. And I put "j/c" to acknowledge that fact.

Right. That's why he was taken to be a backup and not be a starter.

When you're team has tons of holes all over the roster, you should always reinforce the offensive line. Always. Just ask eotab.

Yeah, but what about Mack, he was hurt, so we needed a backup center in the first round. You can't even draft centers after the first round anyway.

You forgot the purple...

Would that still be the case if he was playing lights out last year? We are still looking at both Schwartz and Mack walking out the door right now.

Yes. The problem all along wasn't the pick. Erving is a solid prospect and I still have a lot of high hopes for him despite his early failures. It was that he was picked by us. The move, at worse, has forced Mack out of the door and barred us from a, much needed, starter last year. They than ran amok of his development, but that's thoughts for another post.

not for nothing but usins mocks from a year ago to determine that we didn't go way off base to draft a guy isn't really proving anything.

They are Mocks. That's it. Who knows if Denver would really take him at 28 or if the Texans would have taken him at 16. That's just some scribes thinking out loud and I might add, they are getting paid to guess.

Now, show me John Elway saying we'd have taken him at 28, then you got something.

Well I can guarantee the Texans wouldn't have taken him at 16...

Well, you know how it works. If they agree with you, they suddenly aren't BOZOS anymore.

EO...and I can find a source that projects Erving as 2nd round pick.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
SOURCES TELL US "He plays tough, but I wouldn't call him an intimidator out there. He's a work in progress, but he's going to keep getting better as he learns how to play center." -- ACC defensive line coach

WEAKNESSES High-cut with tapered lower body, lacking power in legs. Pops straight up in pass rush. Susceptible to bull rush. Had issues handling the edge speed of Clemson's Vic Beasley in 2014 and his days of playing tackle are likely over. Relies on lean rather than hip thrust to generate power. Taught to absorb and control as a pass protector and needs to establish more pop in punch. link

I'm judging his actual contribution Erving made during his rookie season with the Browns. The above draft analysis is pretty much spot on. I would hope that the Browns scouting department could see that the kid needs a lot of work before he is NFL ready. He needs to develop himself physically and if he going to play center for the Browns he will need to recognize defensive sets in order to make the line calls.

Can he improve himself enough in the off season to man a starting position on the Browns Oline?...who knows..depends on how hard he works in the off season.

Something no one has mentioned..as a freshman at FSU, Erving missed the season due to a back injury. Just what the injury was, I haven't been able to find info.

Back issues might contribute to Erving's tendency to play too upright...just speculating...hopefully he can become the OLine guy worthy of a first round selection.

That link is NFL.com and shows his combine numbers.

He was in the top 5 for bench press which leads me to think upper body strength is not an issue. Lower body strength is a little harder to gain than upper body strength.

Yeah, it is pretty obvious when watching him that his lower body is weak. Combine that w/him not playing w/good knee bend and not keeping his chest over his thighs and one can understand why he gets bowled over so often.

Mama always said a good lineman has a big arse! If he got a little arse then he ain't no darn good. Mama says that anyways =P And Mama knows BEST!

Yo momma was right

Guesses, sure. But they are educated "guesses", not something thrown together randomly. Sometimes their predicted draft slot is way off, but generally speaking, they are in the ballpark. I'm siding with eo' on this one as I recall, most (if not all) of the sites I saw had him going in the 1st round. Indeed, at the time, I was very pleased that we selected him...