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FA is a month away. Let's get some talk going about who is out there.

Guys I want us to kick the tires on...

QB

Nobody really, but if we must look at a FA, I'd look at Case Keenum. He's proved that he is at least better than Nick Foles and won't want huge money. Sam Bradford could be an option, but I think he wants $25 mil a year to spend half the season in the hospital. Cousins and Osweiler won't be on the market and Fitzpatrick is too old and limited.

RB

Doug Martin - Muscle Hamster
Lamar Miller - Underused at Miami
Matt Forte - Only for the right price.

WR

Alshon Jeffery- Only guy on the list worth going after. The rest are #2 types.

TE

Ladarius Green - sneaky pick because he was behind Antonio Gates his entire career. Played pretty well when Gates was suspended though.

OT

These guys are in play if Schwartz wants $10 mil plus a year.

Cordy Glenn and Ryan Schraeder Both are better pass blockers than Schwartz but maybe not as good at run blocking.

Russel Okung - More talented than Schwartz, but more injury prone.

Kelechi Osemele - Normally a guard, but filled in at LT for Eugene Monroe and didn't miss a beat. If Schwartz did go, he would be my first choice due to his versatility.

Center

Stefen Wisniewski - not close to Mack, but the best on the market.

DE

Muhammad Wilkerson- Will want big money, but worth it.

Malik Jackson - Denver can't afford him. Not far off from Wilkerson and will come much cheaper.

Jaye Howard - Another solid 3-4 DE that won't break the bank.

NT

Damon Harrison "Snacks" - There are a half dozen other NT's that can do the job and come cheaper, but Harrison dominates in the trenches. If we got him, we would need to consider moving Shelton to DE. If we get any of the other guys, Williams, Raji, or Knighton, Shelton could rotate with them.

OLB

Von Miller - If he somehow winds up an FA, then he is the #1 target.

Olivier Vernon
JPP
Bruce Irvin

ILB

Brandon Marshall
Danny Trevathan
Rolando McClain

CB

Josh Norman
Janoris Jenkins
Trumaine Johnson
Casey Hayward

Safety

Eric Berry
Eric Weddle
George Iloka

Kicker

Justin Tucker is probably the best on the market but.....


Phil Dawson, K, 49ers. Age: 41. He might be at the end of his career, but wouldn't it be nice to have him back as a Cleveland Brown for the end. He was still 3 for 3 from 50 plus last year and only missed one FG in 2015.


Who are your FA favorites this year?

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My apologies but could a ref move this to the draft forum. I posted here by mistake.

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The people I'd really want likely will get paid or tagged. Von Miller and M. Wilkerson being top two.

Alshon Jeffery, there already reports he'll be returning. Coming off an injury plagued season, Bears fans would flip their tops though letting him go after letting Marshall go the previous year or whatever.

Osemele is my pick that we actually have a legit chance of acquiring.

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Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg
My apologies but could a ref move this to the draft forum. I posted here by mistake.


This actually should be placed in pure football. I was hoping someone would make a thread like this and great overviews too.

I would love to grab Snacks. He's just a force. Him and Shelton playing together could be interesting.

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Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg
My apologies but could a ref move this to the draft forum. I posted here by mistake.


Well, it doesn't belong there either, so you really aren't doing well at all today. wink

I will move it to the correct forum.

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Does anyone know if we can cut Tramon and sign a real #2 CB? I know he's eating up a significant amount of our money.

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Does anyone know if we can cut Tramon and sign a real #2 CB? I know he's eating up a significant amount of our money.


He makes $6,981,250. That isn't huge money for a starting corner.

If you cut him it would result in $3,800,000 in dead money and $3,181,250 in cap savings.

If you wait one more year and cut him in 2017 it's $500,000 dead money and $7,000,000 cap savings.

It's probably better to give him another year.

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Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg
He makes $6,981,250. That isn't huge money for a starting corner.

If you cut him it would result in $3,800,000 in dead money and $3,181,250 in cap savings.

If you wait one more year and cut him in 2017 it's $500,000 dead money and $7,000,000 cap savings.

It's probably better to give him another year.


Agreed. He was only our best corner last year.......


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What do they say about the tallest midget?

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What do they say about the tallest midget?


Are we talking about Kim Jong Il again?

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thanks for the info DD I really want us to go after Alshon and still draft Treadwell. Would be nice to have receivers that are feared instead of being a joke.

Resign Schwartz sign Alshon, solid free agency period. I dont wanta beat up on our corners to bad, our pass rush was non existant really hung them out to dry.
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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Does anyone know if we can cut Tramon and sign a real #2 CB? I know he's eating up a significant amount of our money.


Tramon is a solid #2 corner.

He rarely played #2 corner this past season.

The all great and powerful Buster Skrine would of looked just as bad facing everyones #1 WR all season.


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Snacks. I llike Raji. More concerned that we keep our own. Trade Bowe.


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Originally Posted By: Bard Dawg
Snacks. I llike Raji. More concerned that we keep our own. Trade Bowe.


Trade him for what? A punch in the face?

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Snacks. I llike Raji. More concerned that we keep our own. Trade Bowe.


Trade him for what? A punch in the face?


We could trade him for a hamstring issue... lol.

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Snacks. I llike Raji. More concerned that we keep our own. Trade Bowe.


What good does Raji do on our team?

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Muhammad Wilkerson fits our defense almost very well.

He will never sign with us.

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Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg
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Snacks. I llike Raji. More concerned that we keep our own. Trade Bowe.


Trade him for what? A punch in the face?


I would personally take that punch in the face if some team took his salary off our hands.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Snacks. I llike Raji. More concerned that we keep our own. Trade Bowe.


What good does Raji do on our team?




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Muhammad Wilkerson fits our defense almost very well.

He will never sign with us.


Not without backing up the money truck.

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What do they say about the tallest midget?


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Snacks. I llike Raji. More concerned that we keep our own. Trade Bowe.


Trade him for what? A punch in the face?


I would personally take that punch in the face if some team took his salary off our hands.


Ahh, nobody will... sad

Anyway, what if he retires? are we still on the hook for the dough?


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j/c:

Cleveland Browns Set to Have About $35.99 Million in Cap Space


With the offseason in full swing, it's time to start thinking about the following things regarding the Cleveland Browns:

•The team's current salary cap situation.
•Using the franchise tag.
•Re-signing our own free agents.
•Releasing players to open up more cap space.
•Signing other teams' free agents.

The first stage in that process is to look at the Browns' cap space heading into the 2016 offseason. The Browns enter the 2016 offseason with the ninth highest cap space in the NFL at about $35.99 million.

One reason the Browns' cap space is high is because they are rolling over $20.73 million of the space they had remaining at the end of 2015 (as long as they inform the NFL that they are doing so, which the USA Today says they did). The salary cap was estimated to be between $150-$153.4 million for the upcoming season, which is up from the $143.28 million salary cap in 2015.

For the purposes of estimating the Browns' cap space, we are using the highest projected figure ($153.4 million). When you factor in the amount the Browns are rolling over, their salary cap is estimated at $174.13 million, which is the second highest figure in the NFL. Let's break these numbers down in a more formalized manner:

NFL 2016 Salary Cap (Projected): $153.4 million
Browns' Rollover from 2015: $20.73 million
Browns' 2016 Adjusted Salary Cap: $153.4 million + $20.73 million = $174.13 million

How much money do the Browns already have committed toward the 2016 salary cap? To determine that, we need two figures: the top 51 salary cap figures on the team, and the amount of dead money that was committed to players who are no longer here. For example, we cut WR Vince Mayle last year before the end of his contract, but he'll still count for $362,364 against the cap this year. That is dead money -- we can't do anything about it.




Browns' Top 51 Cap Total: $137.45 million
Browns' Dead Money for 2016: $0.69 million
Browns' Total Cap Spent for 2016: $137.45 million + $0.69 million = $138.14 million

When you subtract the two subtotals above ($174.13 million - $138.14 million), you can see how the "$35.99 million in cap space" figure was derived.

Once again, the trend continues in which a new front office for the Browns is in great shape when it comes to cap space. It has already been said that the Browns don't believe in building a team by spending big in free agency, but that doesn't mean the team can't seek a starter -- like WR Marvin Jones of the Bengals -- or a couple of reserves to fill the back end of their roster.

On average, teams have to allocate an average of $5 million toward their draft picks, and Cleveland practically has two first round picks for the third year in a row. The biggest free agents for the Browns this year are WR Travis Benjamin, RT Mitchell Schwartz, ILB Craig Robertson, and FS Tashaun Gipson. Schwartz will command the biggest deal, while Benjamin is reportedly close to an agreement. Gipson is a tricky one when it comes to considering his value.

The team could also experience some big-time roster moves over the next couple of weeks that impacts their amount of cap space. C Alex Mack can choose to opt out of his contract until March 4th, which could take $8 million off the books in 2016. The team will also likely cut QB Johnny Manziel on March 9th, but with a possible suspension looming, there is no telling right now how much dead money Cleveland would owe him. WR Josh Gordon could be re-instead too, which would put his cap figure of around $1 million back on the books.

There could also be several players who the Browns part ways with (i.e. Dwayne Bowe) to make the cap space figure go even higher over the next couple of weeks. Over the coming days and weeks, we will be digging into each of these topics (franchise tag, possible cap casualties, free agents, etc) here at Dawgs By Nature, so stay tuned.

Note: We consulted OverTheCap.com and Joel Corry of CBS Sports for our data. Also, the final 2016 NFL salary cap is typically set in late-February or early March.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/10/1...on-in-cap-space


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Let's hope we sign one, maybe two big name guys.


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He makes $6,981,250. That isn't huge money for a starting corner.


Trouble is......he plays like a guy who should be searching for a new career. He was absolutely horrible last year. He's done!

There are some interesting names on your list, but it's hard to say right now.

I do like Jackson from Denver and the two ILBers from the same team.

Guys like Glenn, Berry, etc would be interesting, but it's too early to tell if we'll actually need guys at those positions.

The Browns should pay for a game change like Wilkerson. They are not in any cap danger and that guy can change the flow of the game.

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Why would you not list #2 WR's, as if we have one and don't need one?

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We should go after Mario Williams. He might get released from the bills


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Why would you not list #2 WR's, as if we have one and don't need one?


Our roster is full of guys that can be no better than #2 WR's. If we get more than one WR, then get 2 or more guys that can fit that #1 mold.

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Re: Wide Receivers

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

The only WR FAs I'd be interested in us signing are Alshon Jeffrey or Jermaine Kearse. I'd be ok with re-signing Travis, but won't be heartbroken if we don't.

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What about Eric weddle from San Diego?


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Kearse is an underrated guy. Strong, powerful guy who can use his body to shield defenders and make tough catches. He would help.

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I dunno. I like the list but Free agency is gotten so watered down in the past few years because with the Salary Cap increasing so much each year (like 10+ mil each year) more and more teams are keeping their better FA (like a Von Miller) and letting their unproven backup FA's go. People don't know much about the unproven so it's a crap shoot to throw bunch of money at them.

As a former Rams fan, Keenum is no different from Austin Davis. Sure he's done some good things and he's been a starter but he's not the answer. He's better than Foles but last year that wasn't saying much.

I do like that Heyward, Jenkins, and Johnson might be available. You can never have too many starting quality CB's.

Not much by way of pass rusher in the FA ranks but a mid level guy could provide some needed depth.



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Hey Shadow........

I like the two corners from the Rams. I doubt if they'll be able to keep both guys. Which guy do you think the Rams will keep and which guy do you like better?

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Originally Posted By: TimmyTheShadow
You can never have too many starting quality CB's.



I would challenge this assertion. I do not want another veteran CB like the one we got from Green Bay. MY GAWD he sucked.

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I like Raji. Just like I liked Rubin. Here is not possible perhaps, but I still like his play.


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Both Williams and Weddle seem like guys who would want to go to places where they have a shot at a ring late in their careers.

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The Browns should pay for a game change like Wilkerson. They are not in any cap danger and that guy can change the flow of the game.

Yes indeed...been saying that for months...even before his injury. Hopefully he is coming along from that.

jmho. But he could change the production of many.


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Throwing a ton of money at a defensive player (or free agents in general) rarely works.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Throwing a ton of money at a defensive player (or free agents in general) rarely works.


Reggie White!

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Throwing a ton of money at a defensive player (or free agents in general) rarely works.


Reggie White!


I think he was right when he said "rarely". How long ago did White play?

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