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Yeah, I mentioned at the beginning of the thread that having Hughes injured might be a blessing in disguise. Dan Gibson has been the man these last two games! He's a little scary to have on defense, but I'm not sure he's a complete liability ... but when he's on the floor for offense, it's a much different team out there. As opposed to the 4 on 5 we play when Hughes or Snow is in there.
Great win! I just hope they can keep this momentum going and steal one on the road. I think we've out-played Detroit for the most part this entire series. Had Donyell drained a wide open look, and the refs not swallowed there whistle, we'd be looking at a sweep. And if we could get a third quarter out of the Cavs, we'd probably be looking at some blowouts. I'm surprised Charles hasn't popped the old, "What's the difference between a dollar and the Cavs" joke. 
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The damn Old Spice commercial with the washed up old fat guy singing Duran Duran- Hungry Like the Wolf to a slow piano rhythm needs to STOP!
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That "washed up old fat guy" is Bruce Campbell from the Evid Dead and Army of Darkness films. 
Cool dude. Always doing something bizarre and unexpected.
Like the song in the commerical.
Besides, it's been good for the Cavs!
Great win. Most impressive.
and the best part of spiderman 3 :-D not to mention I miss Jack of All Trades..
anyways.. Go Cavs.. 2 more wins and we're in..
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I agree.....Gibson looks like a real good player......too bad we didn't work him more earlier in the season. had he not been in as much tonight, we would have lost the ballgame.
That leads to to my rant.....this team wins despite a poor coach.
I know....we won, but in the long run Brown isn't the guy for the job. I place our 3rd qtr meltdowns directly on the coach. It is almost as if we don't make any adjustments and the staff doesn't prepare the team for the possible adjustments the other team is going to make and are slow to understand what the other team is trying to do.
Brown is also very slow to call a timeout. It is like he waits 2-3 trips too late.
During one timeout when the camera was on the team, James was doing all of the talking during the timeout....almost like he is the guy coaching the team.
Great player or not, he can't be the guy doing the talking during timeouts.
We can win the championship and I will still think Brown is holding this team back.
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ESPN's Daily Dime... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-070530CLEVELAND -- Three players were sprawled on the floor near center court after a mad scramble for a loose ball off a missed 3-pointer by LeBron James with 18.5 seconds left. Richard Hamilton, Sasha Pavlovic and Chauncey Billups all stayed down for a few seconds after the ball bounced out of bounds, then Hamilton and Pavlovic rose simultaneously. Billups stayed down, a sheepish grin finally crossing his face before he finally picked himself up. "Rise Up" is the theme of this postseason for the Cleveland Cavaliers, so it seemed fitting that the one player who failed to rise up when it counted most, Billups, was the same player who stayed down the longest after that late scramble. Although the responsibility for this Eastern Conference final Game 4 loss, 91-87, Tuesday is shared equally by everyone on the Pistons, the player who bore the brunt of the blame for the Pistons' failure to show any semblance of poise down the stretch was their leader, their No. 1. When it counted most, Mr. Big Shot turned into Mr. Blunder. Billups' first major mistake came with 1:15 remaining and Detroit trailing 87-83 when he got within eight feet of the basket and then turned and try to throw a pass to Rasheed Wallace back out by the 3-point line. Drew Gooden easily intercepted it. "When Rip kicked it to me, I thought I had a shot for a minute, but they closed out quickly on me. So when I went to the rack, I saw [Antonio McDyess'] man coming over, and I thought Sheed was floating to the corner. And then once I got up and seen he wasn't floating, I tried to make a pass over Gooden, like a bail out, and he made a good play on it," Billups said. Gooden was immediately fouled and made one of two at the line, upping the lead to five, but Hamilton came back and hit a jumper, and Wallace then blocked Gooden's shot underneath, giving the Pistons the ball back with a chance to cut their deficit to one -- or to tie it with a 3. That's when Billups Blunder No. 2 happened. Billups dribbled upcourt, and when he got to the 3-point line he jumped to his left and attempted a horribly off-balance 3-pointer that missed badly. "I got the ball, and I knew there was a man [Pavlovic] trailing me hard. So I tried to take one step in, and make him kind of run into me and run me over. He dodged me, but I thought he was coming out of control, and I thought I could get a 3 with an and-1, or three free throws. I've won a lot of games with that shot, it's a shot I believe in, and I wish it would have went but it didn't," Billups said. Billups knew full well that he bore much of the blame for the Pistons' failure to rise up at the end of the fourth quarter as they've done so many times in the past. To his credit, he explained each of his gaffes in minute detail and shouldered the burden of being the fall guy. He insisted afterward, as did several of his teammates, that the Pistons' will not let their current circumstances affect their level of confidence, which they all maintained remains high. Maybe so, but the Cavs seem to have gotten into the Pistons' heads with their relentlessness and fearlessness, which manifested itself Tuesday night in several ways -- from Larry Hughes sucking it up and starting despite a painful left foot injury, to Gooden horse-collaring Wallace and nearly throwing him down, to rookie Daniel Gibson going to the foul line 12 times and sinking every single one of them like he was the world's steadiest veteran. "Both teams always respected each other, and this is 16 times we've played e\ach other in the past two years, so we know each other well. I think we've had respect for each other, and last year we gained it a little bit, we might have lost it a little in the regular season, and I don't know if we have it back yet, but we're slowly leaning toward getting it back," Cavs forward Donyell Marshall said. James wrapped up the 91-87 victory by making a pair of free throws with 4.0 seconds left, tying the series 2-2 heading into Game 5 back in Auburn Hills, Mich. on Thursday night. It'd be easy to say the Cavs' have the Pistons' attention at this point, but that wouldn't really do justice to how well Cleveland has played throughout this nip-and-tuck series. "They pretty much know what they're up against, and they know if they don't bring their A-game they don't have much of a chance. But they're doing that, they're bringing their A-game," Billups said, going on to add that he hasn't seen the Pistons' A-game since the clincher against Chicago in the second round a week and a half ago. "Our A-game and their A-game [are] really different, and hopefully ours is coming real soon." It had better show up Thursday, or the Pistons will find themselves in the same situation they were in a year ago -- trailing 3-2 and needing to win a Game 6 on the road. Last year, they were barely able to get that win. This year, you get the feeling that if Cleveland has a chance to close out the series at home, they won't come up one rebound short as they did last May. So again, that A-game from the Pistons had better show up soon. And Mr. Big Shot had better start playing with the same level of poise we've grown accustomed to seeing over the last half-decade. If not, a new finalist may just Rise Up in the East.
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Y'know, I'm torn on this whole 3rd quarter phenomenon... I honestly don't think it's lack of adjustments, I really don't. It's not like we come out in the 3rd and run the same sets and they don't work... we come out in the 3rd and stand around and do nothing. Yea, I put a lot of that on the coach too, but I think Brown has been pretty good at making adjustments, whatever defensive adjustments he's been making are pure genius.
The 3rd quarter problem, IMO isn't about execution, it's about attitude and it seems like the Cavs have slipped into this mindset of "Just get to the 4th with it close".... which in reality isn't all that bad in a playoff game because it gives you a chance to win... but if you've got a 7 point lead at halftime, just once could they start the 4th up by 15 and coast in? Please, could they do that...
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Yes i would like this as well.
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i have it, I can email it to you,but I dont know anywhere its posted on-line at
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Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Less Hughes = More wins.
I don't think that's a coincidence. Hughes is terrible when he's 100%, let alone hobbling around out there. Gibson has earned his playing time and Brown better not mess with that!!!
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AWESOME....but that picture should really only be laughed at when/if we win the series. Until then, they're still the odds on favorites to win (and they beat us last year).
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So you're saying until we dethrone them, we need to be reminded of this... web page
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Y'know, I'm torn on this whole 3rd quarter phenomenon... I honestly don't think it's lack of adjustments, I really don't. It's not like we come out in the 3rd and run the same sets and they don't work... we come out in the 3rd and stand around and do nothing. Yea, I put a lot of that on the coach too, but I think Brown has been pretty good at making adjustments, whatever defensive adjustments he's been making are pure genius.
The 3rd quarter problem, IMO isn't about execution, it's about attitude and it seems like the Cavs have slipped into this mindset of "Just get to the 4th with it close".... which in reality isn't all that bad in a playoff game because it gives you a chance to win... but if you've got a 7 point lead at halftime, just once could they start the 4th up by 15 and coast in? Please, could they do that...
we just need to take smarter shots in the 3rd quarter...
part of it is that, and part of it is that detroit steps up...
and like i said before, start the guys who got you the lead at halftime...
throw in gibson, maybe varejao...
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Billups said, going on to add that he hasn't seen the Pistons' A-game since the clincher against Chicago in the second round a week and a half ago. "Our A-game and their A-game [are] really different, and hopefully ours is coming real soon."
Someone print this crap out and send it to LeBron... what a bunch of crap to say after a loss... it's been four CLOSE games where cleveland could easily be 4-0 right now.
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Billups said, going on to add that he hasn't seen the Pistons' A-game since the clincher against Chicago in the second round a week and a half ago. "Our A-game and their A-game [are] really different, and hopefully ours is coming real soon."
Someone print this crap out and send it to LeBron... what a bunch of crap to say after a loss... it's been four CLOSE games where cleveland could easily be 4-0 right now.
it kind of angers me that it's been about what detroit's doing wrong... billups is doing this wrong, hamilton is doing this wrong, prince is doing this wrong...
but 4 games is not a fluke... the cavs are taking it to this team defensively...
detroit is not going to all of a sudden show up with a 26 point blowout win...
it ain't goin down like that... two 3-point wins, one 6-point win, and a 4-point win... that's probably what you're going to see through these next 2-3 games...
but hey, if detroit wants to keep banking on their "A" game showing up? fine with me...
i truly believe if we grab this game tomorrow night, we will end it saturday night at home, the cavs have seen about as good of a defense as detroit can show, and it hasn't been good enough...
the cavs know what to expect, they were there last year with a 3-2 lead on the pistons, they don't want to go back to detroit for a game 7, like they had to...
the pistons still don't respect the cavs, and that is going to come back and bite them...
you can look back in the history of any sport, football, basketball, hockey, baseball... and when you see teams that get that arrogant, it is only a matter of time before they fall flat on their face...
and hunger is the other thing, the cavs clearly want this series more than detroit...
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I know this was already posted in another thread, but the Cavs future cap situation scares the heck out of me. With Sasha and Varejao both being restricted free agents at the end of this year, I would imagine we can only sign one of them.
Now, with Gibson's contract up at the end of next season, will the Cavs have enough money to sign him? We've already got a lot of money tied into Hughes, Z, and Marshall.
I know it's too early to be thinking about the future, but I don't want one championship, I want a DYNASTY
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I know this was already posted in another thread, but the Cavs future cap situation scares the heck out of me. With Sasha and Varejao both being restricted free agents at the end of this year, I would imagine we can only sign one of them.
Now, with Gibson's contract up at the end of next season, will the Cavs have enough money to sign him? We've already got a lot of money tied into Hughes, Z, and Marshall.
I know it's too early to be thinking about the future, but I don't want one championship, I want a DYNASTY
i really don't know what's going to happen...
but, i do know that dan gilbert doesn't care about the bottom line, he wants to win, so he will keep whatever players he can to keep this thing going...
i don't think the cap situation is as bad as people make it out to be...
marshall and jones both have 2 years left on their deals...
after next year, those guys become very tradable, because teams will be looking for expiring contracts...
now with varejao and pavlovic becoming restricted free agents...
with the frontcourt being the strong part of this team, if i HAD to keep one, im keeping wild thing... because with what we've seen from gibson, you can run hughes and gibson in the backcourt... you can flip-flop them, any which way you like... you can have hughes run the offense, or gibson run the offense, and i think we're ok there...
but varejao means way too much to this team... we need his energy...
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The 3rd quarter problem, IMO isn't about execution, it's about attitude and it seems like the Cavs have slipped into this mindset of "Just get to the 4th with it close".... which in reality isn't all that bad in a playoff game because it gives you a chance to win... but if you've got a 7 point lead at halftime, just once could they start the 4th up by 15 and coast in? Please, could they do
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I know this was already posted in another thread, but the Cavs future cap situation scares the heck out of me. With Sasha and Varejao both being restricted free agents at the end of this year, I would imagine we can only sign one of them.
Now, with Gibson's contract up at the end of next season, will the Cavs have enough money to sign him? We've already got a lot of money tied into Hughes, Z, and Marshall.
I know it's too early to be thinking about the future, but I don't want one championship, I want a DYNASTY
i really don't know what's going to happen...
but, i do know that dan gilbert doesn't care about the bottom line, he wants to win, so he will keep whatever players he can to keep this thing going...
i don't think the cap situation is as bad as people make it out to be...
marshall and jones both have 2 years left on their deals...
after next year, those guys become very tradable, because teams will be looking for expiring contracts...
now with varejao and pavlovic becoming restricted free agents...
with the frontcourt being the strong part of this team, if i HAD to keep one, im keeping wild thing... because with what we've seen from gibson, you can run hughes and gibson in the backcourt... you can flip-flop them, any which way you like... you can have hughes run the offense, or gibson run the offense, and i think we're ok there...
but varejao means way too much to this team... we need his energy...
and gibson isn't going anywhere... you can bank on that..
Oh, I definitely agree - I take Varejao over Sasha in a heartbeat. I do think Sasha is somewhat overrated - he seems to lose all court awareness when he drives to the basket. If one person steps in front of Sasha, he immediately gets flustered and is not sure whether to shoot or pass.
Varejao's energy is really one-of-a-kind. He's a guy I would absolutely hate if I were the Cavs opponent. His value cannot be understated. He does have to learn three things though:
1) Don't pick up stupid hand-check fouls
2) Keep improving his outside shot
3) Control his aggressiveness - on defense, despite his ability to draw charges, he is constantly out of position.
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Our cap room isnt fantastic, The best we can hope for is to keep the team fully intact, and by that I mean, not losing Sasha and Andy.
Gibson has a team option so he will be here next year, Sasha and Andy both are restricted and we are about 2 million under the luxury tax threshold, for this year at least. Hopefully a team doesnt throw crazy money at Andy. Off the top of my head I know Orlando and Charlotte have a lot of cash to play with, not sure who else will be players i the free agent market.
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Our cap room isnt fantastic, The best we can hope for is to keep the team fully intact, and by that I mean, not losing Sasha and Andy.
Gibson has a team option so he will be here next year, Sasha and Andy both are restricted and we are about 2 million under the luxury tax threshold, for this year at least. Hopefully a team doesnt throw crazy money at Andy. Off the top of my head I know Orlando and Charlotte have a lot of cash to play with, not sure who else will be players i the free agent market.
I thought Gibson was here on a two-year deal with no option for the third year as per this article.
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Gibson's family works system, and it works for Cavaliers, too
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OKLAHOMA CITY - Often the difference between a perceived gamble and a shrewd investment is a little bit of perspective. That and some quality inside information.
Such is the partnership between Daniel Gibson and the Cavaliers.
Just how Gibson, a promising rookie starting to establish a role on the team, landed on the Cavs roster is a matter of guts and intrigue that played out behind the scenes last summer.
No one on either side is apparently ready to tell the whole story or take credit for the early returns, which make it seem like a potential home run, because the process is still in its infancy. But there's a chance someone might end up having pulled off quite a coup.
Last year after having his position changed and his role somewhat diminished, Gibson decided to leave the University of Texas after his sophomore season. Some draft experts thought it was a mistake, that he was leaving when his stock was low and he should try to raise it by playing another season.
Gibson and his father, Bryon, saw it as an opportunity. Like buying low and selling high, the Gibsons formulated a plan that went against the grain.
``At first, I was like `I'm going to go to every workout with every team possible and I'm going to get into that first round,' '' Gibson said. ``But after a while you figure out that what you really want is to get into the right situation, a place you can flourish.''
Just when that epiphany came isn't clear, but it was probably after an afternoon in May when Gibson worked out for the Cavs at Quicken Loans Arena. After that workout, Gibson's father, who was acting as his agent at the time, called off a long West Coast trip he'd set up to showcase his son. It was decided that despite being a bubble pick -- anywhere from the late first round to undrafted -- no one else was getting a look.
Not even the hometown Houston Rockets, who repeatedly called him wanting to take a look after a preliminary workout. Gibson worked out for just two teams, the Rockets and the Cavs. And he wasn't returning the Rockets' phone calls.
``My parents and I sat down and decided we weren't going to work out anymore,'' Gibson said. ``Teams wanted me to come, but my father stuck to his guns. He told them they could draft me if they wanted, but they weren't going to get a workout.''
The Cavs had three picks in the draft last June and Gibson's family already had a relationship with Cavs assistant general manager Lance Blanks, who was formerly a star at Texas himself.
In fact, the Cavs had a 50-page dossier on Gibson. They knew all about him, his background, his family, and his game -- a game that perhaps was underused at Texas and then kept hidden from other NBA teams.
Meanwhile, Gibson was doing some research of his own. He was talking to players like Mo Williams of the Milwaukee Bucks, a point guard from Alabama who also came out of college after his sophomore season despite doubters. Williams was drafted in the second round by the Utah Jazz and after a strong season, quickly earned a long-term contract with the Bucks.
Williams told him that getting into a position to be successful was more important than being a first-round draft pick. He told him that thinking about your second contract could be much smarter than worrying about your first.
Then Gibson looked at the Cavs' roster. He didn't see a point guard on the team that was still in his 20s. Then he saw LeBron James, a guy close to his age with massive upside and the need for an athletic and sharp-shooting guard. Ideas started to swirl. Perhaps the Cavs would be a perfect place to play, especially long term.
Both sides deny there was a secret promise in place. But considering Gibson's willingness to drop all workouts and hide away, he sure seems like the Cavs wanted him and he wanted the Cavs, and the two sides did more than bat their eyes at each other.
The Cavs were willing to take him at in the first round with the 25th pick but jumped at Shannon Brown after he surprisingly slid that far down. There was no real fear of anyone taking Gibson. After all, no one had seen him play in weeks. And so it happened, with the 42nd overall pick on draft night.
The reward to Gibson was a favorable contract. The Cavs gave him two years guaranteed, worth about a million dollars, and did not insert an option for the third season. After next season, Gibson will be a restricted free agent. It is less money up front than all those first-rounders got, but Gibson will be on the open market two full seasons before most of the first-rounders will be. Plus he positioned himself to be on a team where he might be able to get more playing time in those first two years than maybe anywhere else.
In a way, it was probably the best contract landed by a second-round pick last summer, because it gave him both security and flexibility.
``In my heart, I knew that I could really make this situation pay off both for me and the Cavs,'' Gibson said. ``I knew I'd be able to help this team, and one day I hope that I am considered a steal.''
He's off to a promising start.
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I don't have the article on hand anymore and I couldn't find it however I remember about halfway through the season that Gilbert said he doesn't care. He will gladly go over the limit to re-sign both players.
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I know this was already posted in another thread, but the Cavs future cap situation scares the heck out of me. With Sasha and Varejao both being restricted free agents at the end of this year, I would imagine we can only sign one of them.
Now, with Gibson's contract up at the end of next season, will the Cavs have enough money to sign him? We've already got a lot of money tied into Hughes, Z, and Marshall.
I know it's too early to be thinking about the future, but I don't want one championship, I want a DYNASTY
i really don't know what's going to happen...
but, i do know that dan gilbert doesn't care about the bottom line, he wants to win, so he will keep whatever players he can to keep this thing going...
i don't think the cap situation is as bad as people make it out to be...
marshall and jones both have 2 years left on their deals...
after next year, those guys become very tradable, because teams will be looking for expiring contracts...
now with varejao and pavlovic becoming restricted free agents...
with the frontcourt being the strong part of this team, if i HAD to keep one, im keeping wild thing... because with what we've seen from gibson, you can run hughes and gibson in the backcourt... you can flip-flop them, any which way you like... you can have hughes run the offense, or gibson run the offense, and i think we're ok there...
but varejao means way too much to this team... we need his energy...
and gibson isn't going anywhere... you can bank on that..
Oh, I definitely agree - I take Varejao over Sasha in a heartbeat. I do think Sasha is somewhat overrated - he seems to lose all court awareness when he drives to the basket. If one person steps in front of Sasha, he immediately gets flustered and is not sure whether to shoot or pass.
Varejao's energy is really one-of-a-kind. He's a guy I would absolutely hate if I were the Cavs opponent. His value cannot be understated. He does have to learn three things though:
1) Don't pick up stupid hand-check fouls
2) Keep improving his outside shot
3) Control his aggressiveness - on defense, despite his ability to draw charges, he is constantly out of position.
i wouldn't say sasha is overrated...
it's just that he's not quite there yet... as a complete player
defensively, he's earned a spot as a starter... what he did to vince carter, and what he's doing in this series, against tayshaun prince, and against rip hamilton (all but game one) has been great..
he's just a horrible ball handler... and when you're playing the 2, or really anywhere in the backcourt, you've gotta be better... i cringe when he moves with the ball towards anywhere but the rim...
still a pretty dynamic player, and in 2-3 years will be much better... reminds me a ton of ginobili... it just doesn't look as flashy as ginobili, because we don't have the ring yet, ginobili was just getting started as the spurs were winning their titles...
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j/c, to change the subject,....
Looks as though the Spurs will have a nice long rest,....
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utah kinda had that deer in the headlights look that we had games one and two of the detroit series last year
but they never adjusted... and i don't understand that, i know san antonio is great, but with carlos boozer, deron williams, and a pretty decent supporting cast, and a coach as good as jerry sloan, how do you not at least make it a series?
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San Antonio in four,....
We don't have the horses,....Detroit will be too tired after having had to fight us off in 6 or 7,......
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we can bang with the spurs...
it's a good match up for the cavs...
if the cavs end up winning this series, how can anyone not think that they could go and hang with san antonio?
i think the spurs would rather face the pistons, just based on how hungry the cavs have looked...
and the resliency... they could have mailed it in after those first two heartbreakers, but they didn't... the cavs are the scarier team right now...
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Like your enthusiasm,...confidence. Gotta get out of Detroit first,....  This Game 5 is "The Decider." Guess this is why you have to play the game(s),...
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I agree.....Gibson looks like a real good player......too bad we didn't work him more earlier in the season. had he not been in as much tonight, we would have lost the ballgame.
That leads to to my rant.....this team wins despite a poor coach.
I know....we won, but in the long run Brown isn't the guy for the job. I place our 3rd qtr meltdowns directly on the coach. It is almost as if we don't make any adjustments and the staff doesn't prepare the team for the possible adjustments the other team is going to make and are slow to understand what the other team is trying to do.
Brown is also very slow to call a timeout. It is like he waits 2-3 trips too late.
During one timeout when the camera was on the team, James was doing all of the talking during the timeout....almost like he is the guy coaching the team.
Great player or not, he can't be the guy doing the talking during timeouts.
We can win the championship and I will still think Brown is holding this team back.
JMO
heh, I think this is an interesting take. I was not very happy at all when we hired Brown as our coach.
That said, I think he has done a very good job and I'm hoping he is the coach of this time for a long time. I see a team in the Cavs that is clearly outmatched by the Pistons but we have (arguably) outplayed them in every game this series. They play hard and with passion, and I quite honestly think the Cavs have a better chance at beating the Spurs than the Pistons. I'd still favor the Pistons in this series though with home court.
I agree that we have to play MUCH better in the 3rd. How much of this is the coach's fault is debatable though. Other then that, I'm curious what you think Brown isn't doing a good job of. You are one of my favorite posters here so I'm curious to hear what you have to say.
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I agree that we have to play MUCH better in the 3rd. How much of this is the coach's fault is debatable though. Other then that, I'm curious what you think Brown isn't doing a good job of. You are one of my favorite posters here so I'm curious to hear what you have to say.
I don't know basketball well enough to really say. All I know is what I see and have already said. We come out and go through the motions...it's like we haven't established who and what we want to do....everybody seems to be waiting for someone else.
At some point Brown needs to say we are going to come out and work Z in the paint....or lets work James into the lanes with some one on ones....we seem to come out and fumble around for 5-6 minutes while the other team runs off points at a 4-1 clip.
I don't care what sport it is or what the real score is.....you need to play like you are down by 1. You get into a "hold-on" mode before the final seconds of the game.....you lose more than you win.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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mike brown is fine...
people are complaining about the lack of production in the third quarter, and the lack of execution coming out of time outs...
but let's remember that mike brown is doing this, all in the playoffs, without the benefit of a legitimate point guard...
my only beef with mike brown is that he goes with his starting 5 out of halftime... i see no reason to stick with andy and gibson...
and this is on the players as much as anyone else... why do they go away from drew and his baseline jumper? he gets that look every time and seems to be knocking down those pretty consistently...
i think they need to set up z better too... they force feed him too much and he goes with a dumb shot...
mike brown is a good coach, certainly better than flip saunders...
and don't forget he's still not even 40 yet...
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